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Annoyed About Photo Caption Policy. Explanation?  
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4939 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

I have seen a couple of (very good) images recently where cockpit crew members have been leaning out of open windows cleaning and waving, etc., and these actions have been highlighted (and why not?) in the accompanying text. Now that's fine by me (just so the photog's whose images I'm referring to don't think I'm picking at them here) and I recently uploaded such an image (with a friendly co-pilot leaning heavily out waving), only to be pretty rudely slated by both a screener and several others in the forums claiming I was 'hit-seeking'. Another screener mentioned that including such captions is a big no-no, however another one THEN said that it was sometimes down to screener discretion. Now come on guys, it's either allowed or it's not, end of! None of this 'screener discretion' crap. I quite rightly feel a little miffed about this, as I've always seen a comment as just a comment and I, like the others whose pictures I've viewed, certainly wasn't intending to hit-seek. Now can someone please explain why I was publicly grilled in the forums please? And if any other photog's have been grilled about their images would they please let me know so I don't feel alone on this one?



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3240 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

I have no problem with pics of pilots waving or what not. It shows a side of the pilots that not everyone knows about, some people think they all are up-tight working stiffs mad all the time over bad layovers and low pay. But this shows the other side that they are happy at what they do. I don't see what the big deal is, I mean if it's a close up shot and the pilot could be recognized easily, I would probably pull the photo, but a shot zoomed out a little bit I think is fine.

I don't really like the excuse of "hit-seeking", the Remarks section is to make remarks about the photo. Could be anything from "Note the new, off-color gear doors" to "Waving pilot". Both still attract people's clicks, but I wouldn't decribe either as hit-seeking.

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

I agree entirely, although I'm sure there are people sad enough to use captions to increase hits. When I uploaded my image, my comment was something like, "Note the first officer waving out of the open cockpit window..." - an innocent comment and, at the time, I had no idea folks would turn the tables and start accusing me of hit-seeking. And to be quite honest, so what if people do it to hit-seek? It isn't exactly cheating people into opening the picture is it?

Another thing that annoyed me a bit is the photo was uploaded with no mention from the screener that the caption had been removed - giving me an explanation as to why such action was taken may have answered my question soonerer, and would have almost certainly prevented my forum grilling.

I say again; this type of comment IS EITHER ALLOWED OR NOT! If an issue this narrow is down to individual screener discretion then I give up. What next? Allow blurry images at screener discretion? I understand that screeners are different but something as gaping as this should be addressed in a common manner.


User currently offlineBlackbird1 From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3689 times:
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Although taken at an airshow I've got this rejected for motive, although I have a smilar shot of an Tomcat crew accepted a few months ago, but rules may have changed....


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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3267 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
When I uploaded my image, my comment was something like, "Note the first officer waving out of the open cockpit window..."

why bother with such an obvious statement these days?

User currently offlineUA935 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

There is something in the upload text that says comments can be amended or remove by screeners.

Why would you need to put such a comment with the image if you are not trying to increase views? Surely it would be plain to see by anyone viewing the image?

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User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Aren't the remarks & comments meant to be used to draw attention to a fact
in the picture that cannot be seen in the thumbnail?

As Karl says, is there is an 'etiquette' in airliners.net, if so, what exactly is it?

Is shameless promotion unacceptable?



[Edited 2008-12-13 12:10:28]

User currently offlineTweetDriver From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

So I guess my bad...I got captions on 90% of my pics, just because I think some info makes it more interesting to watch.

Regards, Henk

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 5058 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

The photo captions are there for a reason. There is a rule about not putting codes into them, but anything else I have not seen specified.

Maybe a.net should "draft a paper and then put it out as a draft policy for public comment".

Yes, I know - that sounds bureaucratic - and it is, because that's what silly rules like what is described above are...

I also put descriptions on my images - if I feel there is something worthwhile to be said.

User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1801 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

I had a comment wiped once when I remarked about a seagull that nearly missed being ingested on a landing A330. I thought that was annoying, as someone might not get what that blur in the image was.

But I've also remarked about things like captains in windows looking out at me, which can't be seen in the thumbnail but can in the full size. Those comments were never edited out.

IMO comments should not be edited unless they are vulgar.

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User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1642 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Karl, you said you aren't "hit-seeking". Fair enough, I'll take you at your word for that, and that's fine. But at the end of the day, if you or anyone else wants to try and get more hits, then what's the problem?! I really enjoy seeing my pictures doing well. If the caption/remark has helped in that fact then who cares?
However, obvious or down right idiotic comments shouldn't be allowed really, such as "I caught the strobe"! Man the does my head in that one! (Better check I've never used that one actually, haha!!)

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

OK, thanks everyone.

I was not trying to hit-seek but my biggest gripe is the fact that there are clearly many, many pictures getting through with comments similar to mine, yet mine was axed and I was ticked off by the screeners and subsequently bashed in the forums - and I find it odd that the team is staying silent here.

What I'm outlining here is the double-standards exercised by the screening team, and am asking for this issue to be addressed.



User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4225 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):

Karl, if you take an issue to the forum and get bashed, then there are only two possibilities, regardless of the issue: either those who bash you are wrong, or you deserved it. You can blame someone for something, but you cannot make him responsible for your actions.

I'd say concentrate on the issue you have with the comments and also, don't take things so personal.

Peter Smile

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

It makes no real odds to me but sometimes this site seems so hypocritical - how can one bloke get grilled so much for asking why his comment was removed then the next man not a peep?

My forum post was very polite and a few individuals immediately jumped in and accused me of hit-seeking, which was not the original intention. Some of the posts were very narrow-minded and plain rude.

OK, a comment dropped from an image, no problem, but when a screener goes out of his way to tell you you can't include such comments then turns a blind eye to something similar isn't exactly consistency is it?

What I'm basically saying is that, unless vulgar or completely inappropriate, all comments should be left alone (in my opinion). Even if I was hit-seeking what realistically would be wrong in that? I don't see the deal here. It's not as though you're deceiving someone into looking at your image - they will either look or not bother, simple as that.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4973 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

It's not like there is a false statement in the comment. What's the point of allowing comments if those comments (assuming they are not false or vulgar) will be allowed only at the screeners will?
By the way, so what if it was a hit seeking comment? what evil is done by having such a comment?

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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

A while ago (I don't recall the date) there was a declaration regarding comments about 'waving pilots' that seemed slightly silly and irrational. One can never tell the origin of these decisions, but frequently somebody with some pull takes a dislike to certain behaviour (maybe just one photographer's penchant for attention-grabbing comments) and before you know it it's policy.

Caption writing is a skill and some do it very well (Michael Brazier springs to mind) and an interesting comment can attract a click on even basic images.

I wouldn't worry about it.


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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Karl, for what it's worth I think it is mindless censorship BUT what you have to remember is that there is a team of screeners here. Some will interpret the rules about comments differently from others. Some will even struggle with English, It's just one of those things everyone has to live with.


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User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Hi Karl,
From the upload page:

Airliners.net reserves the right to edit or add info to this or other fields as we see fit.

Sorry, but there is really nothing more to add, but maybe that the 'we' in this sentence refers to Airliners.net (the full team, not only screeners), not the uploader.

Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Not the most helpful of comments I'm afraid Andres. I understand this clause but surely this is A.net's get-out clause if they come across a rude or totally inappropriate comment? After all, I dare say even these would be a struggle to remove without such a clause in place.

The police have a clause saying, "We can search, arrest and detain you if we wish" but if it happened to you would you not demand a reason?

Sorry to say but the input so far from the team (no disrespect) has been unsatisfactory - pointing out something I already know is pointless and evades the real issue.

Still, I don't believe my ultimate question is going to be answered anytime soon and I may therefore make things easier and not bother with captions in future in case they are deemed 'too obvious'. After all, I wouldn't want to be accused of hit-seeking now would I.....?

Mod's, unless anyone else wants to add to this feel free to lock the thread.


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