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User currently offlineScreeners From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8920 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Hi All

We are currently looking for new screeners. We have recently hired 2 people from the last round of applications that ended in august last year. We are looking for new candidates who would join us in the next few months.

Fortunately some of the recent bugs have been dealt with and we are working with DM to improve the screening process even more.

We are looking for long term commitment. Screening will take about 30-45 minutes of your day on average (minimum). Most screeners of course spend much more time Wink

If anyone is interested please send an email to headscreeners@airliners.net with the subject line reading: Screener Application

Anyone can apply, but we are looking for experienced photographers and uploaders. The email should contain the following

real name
username
age
link to your photos
short description of your experience in photography
a short motivation on why we should choose you

Deadline for applications is march 31st.

Looking forward to some responses, and please post any questions you may have here.

On behalf of the screening team
Tim

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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8775 times:

I thought potential screeners were approached?

User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

Is there pay involved or is it strictly for the love and enjoyment of it all?  Smile Which I dont mind either way!


Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8655 times:



Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 1):
I thought potential screeners were approached?

You mean Tim sneaks up behind them, knocks them out. Takes them to the basement at DM and makes them screen?  biggrin 

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 2):
Is there pay involved

100,000 US a year, brand new D3x and a total Dell setup to screen.  dollarsign 

All kidding aside good luck. Hope you guys get more I can get used to this queue on a regular basis.


User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8551 times:

I'll apply for the heck of it! Can't hurt right? Never hurts to have some young, fresh eyes  Wink


Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8508 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
100,000 US a year, brand new D3x and a total Dell setup to screen.

Yeah, right Nik  Wink ! I will ask right away where can I send my invoice...but I don't really want the D3x  devil  .



Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8423 times:

You are evil indeed Andres  mischievous  . You know not what is good for you  Wink

So is the intention in general to speed up the screening, somebody wants to depart or other ?

KS/codeshare



How much A is there is Airliners Net ? 0 or nothing ?
User currently offlineJonathanJet From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Mjlewis: dont bother applying unless u have several thousand + pics on here.. they want expierenced photographers, not new ones like us. I have tried and been told no. Just a heads up!


I'd rather be shooting in Hawaii!
User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8418 times:



Quoting JonathanJet (Reply 7):
Mjlewis: dont bother applying unless u have several thousand + pics on here.. they want expierenced photographers, not new ones like us. I have tried and been told no. Just a heads up!

Yeah, had a feeling. It makes sense though. It seems like theres just such a large margin for error and everyone sees things differently. I know myself, and plenty other, have wonderfully sharp images, yet it comes back saying that its not, which to me is a joke. But oh well...



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8356 times:
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Thousands of uploads are not necessary. What we're looking for is people who produce high quality material, not necessarily high volume, and who have a few years experience with the site.

What's important is the ability to accurately critique images. Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc.

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 8):
I know myself, and plenty other, have wonderfully sharp images, yet it comes back saying that its not, which to me is a joke.

No offense but if you are getting rejections you cannot understand you probably are not ready to be a screener yet.

Tim



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3064 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8320 times:
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Tim - I recall that when this process happened a couple of years ago you said that the headscreeners would be keeping a record of all those who applied at the time and would be using that as a pool for future applications.

Was that idea scrapped?

Paul


User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8295 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
No offense but if you are getting rejections you cannot understand you probably are not ready to be a screener yet.

Alright. I'm not worried about it and I dont want to get into it, but seeing some of the reasons that they reject pictures and (in my case) I have noooo idea where they come up with some of the excuse. But it is what it is...I (and many others) will just keep trying to please them lol



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3998 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8277 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc.

Must be difficult now with those megathreads...

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 8):
a joke



Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 11):
excuse

If you think the screening is so bad, why do you even bother with this site?!

Peter Smile



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8260 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 12):
If you think the screening is so bad, why do you even bother with this site?!

Why is there always someone like you that says something like that? And if you want an answer, it's probably due to the fact that its still a cool site for people who like this stuff to come to and check it out and see whats flying around!



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8239 times:



Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 13):
Why is there always someone like you that says something like that?

Michael you say something like you did your bound to get reactions like this. Not good form. Being a newbie you wouldn't know the half of it but trust me you get more flies with honey than you do vinegar and insulting the screening process is not a good start. Now drop and give Tim 50!  weightlifter 


User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5066 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8202 times:



Quoting Psych (Reply 10):
I recall that when this process happened a couple of years ago you said that the headscreeners would be keeping a record of all those who applied at the time and would be using that as a pool for future applications.

Was that idea scrapped?

From the tone of the original post it sounds like anyone who wasn't chosen last summer is out and they want new people to apply...... is this true?


bruce



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8151 times:
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No, those who applied last year can apply again, in fact please do if you still want the position. We would just like a bigger pool to choose from.

We often see candidates who we feel need just a little more time, or a nudge in the right direction before they could make good screeners.



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User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8120 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

Michael you say something like you did your bound to get reactions like this. Not good form. Being a newbie you wouldn't know the half of it but trust me you get more flies with honey than you do vinegar and insulting the screening process is not a good start. Now drop and give Tim 50!

I was wondering if theres politics involved in choosing pictures, actually. Like they will obviously pick more pictures, more often from people who have more time in or more pictures accepted. Correct?



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8095 times:
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Yes we do in general accept more pictures from people who upload more, but that has nothing to do with politics


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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8051 times:



Quoting JonathanJet (Reply 7):

Don't know much about the screening process but an experienced photographer does not necessarily mean you need to have thousands of uploads on the internet...go for it!


User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 18):
Yes we do in general accept more pictures from people who upload more, but that has nothing to do with politics

You know I didn't mean governmental politics right? Like NIKV said in reply 14, the way he worded it, it seems as if by what I've said, they'd hold that against me when they see me upload a picture, just because of that they'll find a reason to reject it even if it should at least get past phase 1 of screening and get looked at a second time?



Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7904 times:
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PHOTO SCREENER



Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):

The screeners arent just going to reject images because they personally might not like this person uploading the images cause they whinge about the screening process being too hard or whinging about the site in general or it could be a personal issue between photographer and screener.

If the photo has flaws it should rightfully be rejected and fixed up if possible or one for personal collection,if you keep getting rejected than keep trying to improve your images or improve your post process....just because your images are rejected you dont need to take it personally that screeners might not like you and dont want your images here.


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7895 times:
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Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):
You know I didn't mean governmental politics right?

Yes

I think what Nik meant was mainly related to goodwill etc on the forum. We treat everyone equal when screening photos.

Tim



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User currently offlineMjlewis From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7876 times:

Alright. Thank you. I really wasnt taking anything personal, just wanted to figure out how they really determine everything. Like do they actually do a 100% crop to look closely at the pictures and such?


Flying runs in the family : )
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7865 times:



Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):
You know I didn't mean governmental politics right?

 faint 

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 22):
I think what Nik meant was mainly related to goodwill etc on the forum

 checkmark 

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 23):
just wanted to figure out how they really determine everything. Like do they actually do a 100% crop to look closely at the pictures and such?

 faint   faint   faint 

Michael I am coming to take that shovel from you! Your digging a deep hole. Listen, the screening process here is pretty thorough and it was designed to work in a pretty straightforward way. The screeners do look at the pics in a way that they see it as they need to. Now, How about Farve retiring?


25 Mjlewis : Alright, alright! lol I'm sorry. Farve, meh, go for it haha
26 Jogales : I think this might have been mentioned in the past, but has any more thought been put into the idea of having pre-screeners that could weed out the pi
27 GBeasley : Screening is a tough job that takes a lot of dedicated time and effort, it shouldn't be underestimated the time it takes to do.
28 KaiGywer : No politics are involved. Hell, I'm a crew member and my acceptance ratio is right around 30%...if they were to use politics as a deciding factor, do
29 Mjlewis : Yes, but I didn't know, so that was why I threw that out there...
30 TimdeGroot : Thanks for the applications so far. Those of you who will be chosen should hear from us in about a month's time Tim
31 Spencer : Tim, (as you're most likely to reply to this), would it be fair to say it's easier to spot flaws in others work, as opposed to your own? With your own
32 Apgphoto : Spence, As an old Screener I can tell you it is much easier to find fault with others work than your own. As a Screener your kind of looking for a pro
33 TimdeGroot : Yes I would say so, that's why we cannot screen our own images I get rejections too and most of the time I also rework and see I could have done bette
34 Spencer : Thanks Paul, thanks Tim. Pretty much as I thought then. Shame it's unpaid, for you guys I mean, when you think what you do and for the size of the com
35 Silver1SWA : Have new screeners already been selected?
36 TimdeGroot : Yes one has been approached, and we will be choosing others in monthly intervals Tim
37 JumboJim747 : (Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc. ) So Tim wha
38 Dazed767 : From past experience your really too busy looking at the photo and not who took it.
39 Clickhappy : This is true, but after screening for a while I can tell you who took a picture, based on location and quality, without even looking at the name. We
40 JumboJim747 : This place is surely changing . An absence of a reply for my post from anyone let alone the people who are asking for help prompts me to just not both
41 AKE0404AR : Hmmm I don't understand this, are you the spokesperson for Paul? Vasco
42 JumboJim747 : No I'm not Paul can speak for himself I'm just putting my point across. I hope i can still do that Vasco Cheers
43 Chukcha : Look, mate, you basically asked a rhetorical question, what kind of reply did you expect? Don't you think it wouldn't be really ethical/appropriate f
44 Acontador : Hi Jim,
45 AKE0404AR : Sure why not, but honestly what kind of answer did you expect? Vasco
46 TheDL : Despite the loosing battles this guy is fighting everywhere else in this thread, I have to agree in part with this... Yes, I am new here too. I am no
47 Aussie18 : If you have problems with your rejected images and dont understand why than post the images on here(start your own thread) and ask for advice/help. S
48 Psych : Hi Mark - is it that we 'always don't agree' with screeners' decisions or that we 'don't always agree'? . It was kind of Alan to think of me in this
49 NIKV69 : Less I am mistaken they all got really nice Dell monitors that were calibrated properly. Whagt a concept.
50 TheDL : Thanks! That's more or less all that I was interested in knowing... from 10 years of personal experience managing and participating in the preparatio
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