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I'm Against Bombs!  
User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

People - you have absolutely gone mad? To you that, was wars in history of Mankind a little, that now still we look at falling Bulgarian bombs, people - which itself eternally required and asked protection. All our planet dreams that wars everywhere have stopped and that we do(make) instead of it(this). We publish the weapon though it is an aviation site of peace purpose. I not against military aircraft as a whole, but I would like, that the author has removed this photo from a database.


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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 4027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

For all we know it could be a dummy, being dropped at a practise target-site.. Maybe the photographer could clarify?

User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2966 times:



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 1):
For all we know it could be a dummy, being dropped at a practise target-site.. Maybe the photographer could clarify?

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It is clear, a bomb educational. But the comment of the author to a photo speaks about that that to the author cheerfully enough. And hisneighbours from the same Yugoslavia can understand him not correctly. Probably the person never had to hear singing of falling bombs and to press a head for fear in the ground.



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
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I doubt they let photographer's ride along on actual missions.

besides there are many photos in the database of aircraft firing guns, rockets, etc. It's part of aviation.

Tim



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2891 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
It's part of aviation

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There can be Hiroshima and Nagasaki too a part of aviation?

At all possible respect for you Tim and to a site, few photos about which you have mentioned all, start of rockets and bombs has not been shown there so frankly. Start is shown there in a context. And here it is especially directed attention to a falling bomb. The photo does not bear in general any value and if in the staff of a bomb was not, this photo in general would notice nobody. Such impression, that dear photographers here - small boys who did not play "war" in the childhood and everyone with pleasure would press all the red button to abandon bombs or to start a rocket. These are complexes, instead of art.



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Its not going to change. Why even bother making a thread on the issue in the first place?


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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 4027 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2874 times:



Quoting Ivandalavia (Reply 4):
There can be Hiroshima and Nagasaki too a part of aviation?

Although I respect your opinion Ivan, I don't think you can compare Hiroshima and Nagasaki with this photo..


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2870 times:
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Quoting Ivandalavia (Reply 4):
There can be Hiroshima and Nagasaki too a part of aviation?

Yes, unfortunately, they are. Aviation facilitated the deaths of hundreds of thousands in the past. You can close your eyes to that history but I rather see the ugly sides too. Every military aircraft you see here on the database carries with it that history, if the aircraft was not an instrument of war it would probably have developed in a very different way. I'm against war as much as you but closing my eyes to it is not my approach.

I dont think the photographer's intent was to play light of war at all.

Tim



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2863 times:



Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 6):
I don't think you can compare Hiroshima and Nagasaki with this photo..

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You are certainly right.Thanks

I can explain it also on another. People always reach for that that sensational. Photos and videoclips of air crashes are in the same way very popular. Though to me as the pilot oppositely and very painfully to look at such things.



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2858 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7):
TimdeGroot

OK , Tim  Smile)

I with pleasure would accept this point of view, but the comment!!!!! Too lyrical comment.
The weapon it first of all the Responsibility. Such impression that the pilot was mistaken and has casually thrown a bomb, Ooops!!!!!. Hell with Her



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2854 times:
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Hey you are entitled to your own opionins, just stating my views on this.

If I were you I would talk to the photographer about this. maybe he can give you some more info.

Tim



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Casting aside the origins of aviation in balloons, airships and flimsy craft such as that built by the Wright Brothers, the aeroplane as we know it today was derived from those developed solely for purposes of self-defence, or war if you so prefer to call it.

When we realised the potential and importance of aviation in a military role a vast amount was invested in the quick development of suitable aircraft, which ultimately lead to the introduction of passenger types. Had this time, effort and money not been invested I doubt we'd be so advanced in aviation technology today, and so indirectly war has - whether you like it or not - shaped the aviation we so love now as our hobby.

War is never good but lessons can be learned from it. I also think aviation not only plays a major part in war but also in peace - and on that subject let's remember that aircraft have helped with peaceful missions in the midst of war.

The yo-yo was originally a weapon of war from the Philippines - do you suggest we stop every kid on the planet from playing with one and lecture them on the 'evils' of their spare-time plaything? It's not just aircraft either - every other form of motorised (and non-motorised) transport has, at some point in history, been used for war. Motorcycles, rickshaws, boats, ships, trains, cars, gliders, trucks; you name it.....

Karl


User currently offlineMclaudio From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Even though I think this thread it's not going to last very long...my 2 cents.
The photo it's nice, but IMHO it is not aviation related therefore it shouldn't be here. The main subject of the photo is the bomb as the remark points out, not the helicopter or whatever.



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2834 times:



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
form of motorised (and non-motorised) transport has, at some point in history, been used for war. Motorcycles, rickshaws, boats, ships, trains, cars, gliders, trucks; you name it.....

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Karl, you have named anything you like, but only not bombs. I do not wish to tell about myself, that I know thoroughly All history of mankind but with what wars I began remember from books. I have stated the point of view on this photo, on this concrete Bomb. And now I cannot understand how it(she) has got in the Choice of Photographers



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2826 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
Karl

Good post Karl!
Another aircraft mainly developed and improved for military purposes is the helicopter like the one pictured in the mentioned photo. Without the need for such an aircraft in recent conflicts the helicopter would today by far not be such an effective vehicle as it is. While this is a doubtful improvement when it comes to war it is a very helpful one in the daily civilian life as helicopters today help to save hundreds of lives on a daily basis whether it be to quickly transport severely injured people from accident scenes to the hospital, rescuing alpinists or skiers in mountainous terrain or for humanitarian transports in crisis regions.

Ivan, I fully understand your concerns but as some guys already mentioned in this thread, war is a part of aviation whether we like it or not. Concerning Ognyan's photo I seriously doubt that anyone was hurt by the pictured bomb, since as Tim already said they most probably wouldn't take a photographer on an actual mission, so no real harm was done to anyone here.

Cheers,

Thierry



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2826 times:



Quoting Mclaudio (Reply 12):
Mclaudio

Thanks amigo for your point of view. I it also wished to tell



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2816 times:



Quoting ThierryD (Reply 14):
ThierryD

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 banghead   Smile

Likely I badly speak in English, times you cannot understand my point of view. To me all the same fighting it is a bomb or training. To me as a matter of fact all the same where she has departed, (though in left to edge of a photo you can observe inhabited settlement). I wish to tell, that the comment specifies a bomb which cannot be a part of an aviation photo and therefore and our site. There are many other special sites for such photos



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User currently offlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Hi folks,

Let me bring my couple of cents to the discussion.

1. Reporting Photography is not the question of 'fight of goodness and evil', its not a kids movie. It is the true fact presenting. Further discussions on picure story are obvious and reasonable, but lets discuss bombs but not photos of bombs. There are a lot of war journalists in the world - their job to make shots much more scary then this picture. Should this dengerous and respectable work be prohibited?
2. Have been spent two years at the army I'd used machingun indeed. I like shooting, I used to be a member of the shooting club when I was teenager. But I've never killed anybody (I even don't like hunting - just shooting). Should weapon be forbidden at all also for sports? And if not - what the difference between just shooting gun and just falling bomb? Btw - shooting experience helps in photography a lot  
3. My point - the photo is great. Composition, moment - all are perfect. Well-deserved 1st place.

Regards,

Fyodor

[Edited 2009-02-16 03:00:58]

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2809 times:



Quoting Ivandalavia (Reply 16):
I wish to tell, that the comment specifies a bomb which cannot be a part of an aviation photo and therefore and our site.

Why? I understand you are against war, but this is a website that caters to both civil and military aviation and this photo is obviously part of the latter. Like Fyodor said, this is reporting photography and it does have it's place in the world.



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2809 times:
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Ivan, I do understand your point of view but I for instance see the photo as picturing a part (even if it's not a nice one) of aviation (the drop of a bomb from an aircraft), hence I think the photo has a place on this site.

Thierry



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2801 times:
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The fact that the photo was accepted was not because of the bomb, but because of the helo wing. Had it just been a picture of a bomb we would not have accepted it.

Tim



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User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

OK, Tim  fight   fight   fight   whiteflag   yes  YOU WIN


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2765 times:



Quoting Ivandalavia (Reply 13):
Karl, you have named anything you like, but only not bombs

Bombs are not a form of transport. The forms I mentioned have all been used as platforms from which bombs (or bombs in other guises such as missiles or rockets) have been launched.

I obviously don't know your background, history or about your interest (or lack of) in warfare, but no-one is making you view these pictures and no-one's suggesting they were taken during aggressive strikes. They belong here, like it or not, and most people within this community will no doubt appreciate them and view them as artistic pieces of modern photography. I think it's pretty unfair to criticise the site for hosting such images, and certainly wrong to brand A.net as a site which condones war.

I can't see this thread lasting too much longer but before it's taken 'off-air', can we remind ourselves of the sole purpose for which man invented the aeroplane? To fly; to be up among the birds; to do something no-one had ever dreamed possible.

I think Da Vinci's words sum it up nicely.....

"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

Karl


User currently offlineBoeingfreak From Germany, joined May 2005, 398 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2685 times:

Ivan, when I first saw that photo I felt exaclty like you.

However, I don't think that the photo shouldn't be on A.net, because you see lots of photos of armed aircraft on this db. The only thing that should be changed/removed IMO is the comment on the photo... "Oops! I droped something!" is just wrong (he even failed to spell it correctly), you can say "I dropped my keys" or "I dropped a can of beer", but you don't just "drop something" that can kill people.

The comment just sounds too lax for something that serious (a bomb dropping), obviously it was his intention to be funny, but I'm sorry, I cannot laugh about a bomb dropping.

I would remove/ change the comment but surely not delete the picture.

Just my  twocents 

Florian


User currently offlineIvandalavia From Russia, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2670 times:



Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 23):
just "drop something" that can kill people.



Quoting Ivandalavia (Reply 9):
I with pleasure would accept this point of view, but the comment!!!!! Too lyrical comment.

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Now, when already has passed some hours from my first note, I still come back to it to a picture and I come to conclusion, that me have more revolted all таки the comment. I am absolutely indifferent to this photo



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