Moderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 503 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3763 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
Many of you have mentioned these past few days that you would like to abandon the concept of the rejections and pre-screening mega threads. The screeners are aware of the disadvantages of these threads, they are not as effective as individual posts and do not invite user participation.
However, a few months ago we switched to the current format because many people were complaining the forum consisted of nothing but rejection and pre-screening threads. On their request we started the pre-screening threads.
We want this forum to work for you, but we dont want to switch back and forth every month. We therefore would like to collect as many opinions as we can on this, so we can come to an informed decision.
We therefore would like to make this thread a poll. If you want to switch back to individual threads then please start your post with "individual threads" as the first sentence. If you want to keep it way it is now please start your post with "mega-threads". You probably need to use more text to fill the post. So after starting a new paragraph please add a key point to explain your choice.
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NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3761 times:
Quoting Moderators (Thread starter): However, a few months ago we switched to the current format because many people were complaining the forum consisted of nothing but rejection and pre-screening threads. On their request we started the pre-screening threads.
Isn't that a key reason this forum exists? How is someone supposed to improve? You have to realize that to get a picture accpeted here for a newbie is very hard and they are the ones who are joining this site and are basically the future of it. Just because some people bitched (and I would venture to say these were veterans who don't need help and rarely participate in the help threads) was not a reason to go to meagthreads IMO.
As for the poll I hate the megathreads and my particpation in helping people with captures and post processing has basically been little or nothing. To open a thread with 200 plus replies and try to follow what picture, who has made a comment etc is insane. It would clearly be better to have users start their own threads and let us render our help that way. Sure it would have to to be moderated more but I think more people help and more quickly.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4655 posts, RR: 27 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
Almost all of my knowledge of photography has come from this forum, and the fact that I have been able to spread and apply that knowledge in many other areas of photography shows how powerful a tool this forum can be.
Since the mega threads were implemented, I have seen a decline in members helping each other out and offering constructive advice. I posted one or two photos in the mega threads, but they received little attention. The next reply after someone posts a pic for pre screening is usually another person posting one asking "how about this one?" and so on. Then the threads grow to 200+ replies and at that point I don't even bother. I would love to help others and engage in pre screening others' photos. But I have no interest in clicking those mega threads. At least with individual threads, assuming the topic title is specific enough, I can evaluate whether or not I might be able to help and from there check out the thread.
I say bring back the individual threads, but set some very strict guidlines. I have no interest in screening something when the poster only asks "how is this one?". Personally when I have something to be pre-screened, I point out one or two specific areas of the photo I would like some extra sets of eyes to check out. So as long as they involve requests for specific help, then I'm all for bringing back individual threads!
[Edited 2009-02-18 19:30:55]
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
Dlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
I guess I'll be the odd one out and say I prefer the mega-threads. They do keep the forum less cluttered, and I for one don't mind sifting through and offering advice.
I don't think it's too hard to follow which advice corresponds to which photo, unless maybe your attention span is really short. You may have to scroll up and down a few times, but it's not really that hard. Can you honestly say you've gotten lost in one of those threads?
I do, however, believe that the thread length should be limited to say, 50-100 replies maximum, as it does take a long time to load, considering many of the posts have multiple pics in them.
For those of you who think/hope that more attention will be given to individual threads, don't count on it. Whereas presently those who can't be bothered to open the mega threads will just pass them by, I believe multiple threads all asking "how's this one?", "is this good enough?", "what's wrong with this?", "what's your opinion on these?" are likely to engender just as much apathy (i.e. one or two answers) as they do in the mega-threads. All of you who aren't interested in opening the mega-threads, are you really going to open and respond helpfully to every "what do you think about my pictures" thread?
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 3): I have no interest in screening something when the poster only asks "how is this one?". Personally when I have something to be pre-screened, I point out one or two specific areas of the photo I would like some extra sets of eyes to check out.
Very good point, but as someone who has recently been trying to do the best I can offering help in the mega-threads, I think you would be in the minority. The vast majority of the queries in the mega-threads are of the "how's this?" variety, not asking for any specific input. In your case, if you're looking for specific input, I think it reasonable to start your own thread, but where to draw the line between what warrants its own thread and what should then stay in the mega-thread would be difficult to distinguish.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4655 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3721 times:
Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 5): The vast majority of the queries in the mega-threads are of the "how's this?" variety, not asking for any specific input.
The vast majority of the old individual threads were of the "how's this" variety and that was what bothered enough users that mega-threads were proposed. At some point people need to gain enough confidence to upload a shot without having to ask "hows this?" every time. It should be a learning process. A screener even commented back then that refused to look at such a request...or something along that line.
Whether it's a mega thread or individual threads, I think many would be a lot more accepting either way if it was a lot less about "Hows this?", "This?", "What about this?". It didn't take me a year or two years to get my first acceptance (like I read from so many users). Through the process of specific pre-screening, I actually learned what it takes.
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MidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
I like the idea of the mega-threads because it puts it all in one place, and people who want to post can see input on other images as well. However, I agree that there isn't nearly as much feedback as there is in individual threads. A portion of the comments I see consist of either 1) non-descript responses, or 2) people asking if anyone looked at their pictures.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3704 times:
Individual threads for me.....
I think the key question here is, are the mega-threads helping everyone who posts in them? No, is the straight answer, which means many are not benefitting from them and they therefore aren't functioning properly.
I've frequently been confused by which pieces of advice belong to which photo, and I've also frequently seen images which have been more-or-less ignored, despite the poster asking a sensible question. Such is the volume of images/questions that many offer assistance in the form of one-word or one-sentence answers, which often are not helpful at all.
When the threads were individual I contributed quite a bit, but rarely do these days because it's such a gargantuan task sifting through sometimes 200+ posts. There was a lot of moaning about the individual threads but they were (nearly) always clearly marked as pre- or post-screen threads, and if folks didn't want to read them they had the choice not to open them. I'm afraid many opened every one then moaned about it, which wasn't exactly fair.
And so we now have moaning about the current method, and no doubt there'll be moaning about reverting back to the old system, but at least now we've all had experience with both and can make an educated decision.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
110% individual threads.
I also agree that some limitations could be put in place, to avoid same users abusing the function, but even if that is not put in place, the mega threads are mostly useless.
and yes, the forum will have tons of new threads, but it's simple, if you don't want it to bother, don't open the thread (maybe these threads should be obliged to have a celar Pre screen or post screen title so everyone knows what they're about?)
Ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3878 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3675 times:
Individual threads please.
Better participation, better discussions, better advice = more educational not just for the person requesting help but for all.
Also, a more relaxed atmosphere in individual threads, room for a laugh, an opportunity to learn to know each other and each other's work better, strengthening the community.
Given the limited activity in this forum, I don't think the number of threads was ever a real problem. My feeling is that people were probably complaining about the lack of other threads - something the megathreads can't solve.
Still, the number of threads can be kept low by allowing only one thread per photograper at a time.
Suggestion for a thread naming convention if individual threads are allowed to come back: thread names should start with 'My Photos -' 'Pre- and post-screening' sounds so mechanical, as if we aren't doing this for fun, and the difference between the two actually isn't terribly relevant.
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McG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3658 times:
The mega threads are no longer working. The general idea behind the mega threads was ok, however in practice may be not so.
Each user should be limited to a max of 10 photos per thread, and only 1 thread per user allowed to be active at any given time. I don't agree with the suggestion to delete a thread after advice has been given - the OP may not have had time to read the advice before the thread is deleted.
Another thing I noticed - last week there was a post from the screening team giving examples of Contrast rejections, and how to correct the contrast in an image. This appeared to be useful for newer members. Is there a way to either:
a) Make that thread a sticky and any other helpful editing technique threads from the screeners or
b) Put the advice into a PDF that is linked and can be downloaded from the site.
Stil From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
I think the problem that started the two mega-threads was not the amount of opinion requiring threads but the quality of these ones. There were a lot of threads looking for advise on bad pictures wich had much to learn about photography principles instead of picture editing.
As many others said, I've learned a lot on this forum sailing through the individual threads and posting mines as well.
Another suggestion i want to make is to bring back the masterclasses. Tons of shared knowledge here.
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5551 posts, RR: 47 Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3620 times:
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 18): I agree, but more importantly the thread may contain information of useful value to others so having it available for read at a later time would be important in my opinion.
+3 for lock do not delete
Whilst I vote for individual threads I am not a fan of the "How is this..?" thread and tend to ignore them but if the photographer is prepared to discuss how the photo was taken, the conditions etc and what steps they had taken in post processing to get the result they have. I and I am sure many others will be prepared to discuss and assist.
[Edited 2009-02-19 03:44:08]
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Oly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6517 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
I'm more inclined to individual threads with a restriction on the number of photos at one time. I don't know about the logistics of a separate forum, Photo Processing or Photo Editing for example, to avoid the Photography forum itself being swamped by lots of individual threads; the original reason for the mega threads.
Locking threads is desirable because the advice is useful, though there are obvious problems if the photo in question or any subsequent edits/suggested alterations are deleted and can't be seen - one of my pet gripes. Maybe leave this to the discretion of the poster. If it's an "any chance?" "no" sort of thread then perhaps it can be deleted.
It may also be useful to collect together all the various links about how to process images and have them in a sticky thread so they are easily accessible. Or, perhaps have "Photography articles" along side the "Aviation articles" at the top of the page (if it fits)