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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

I have been contacted by a publishing house in Ireland seeking to use three of my photos for a non-fiction book entitled "Crash Landing". They say that the estimated initial print run will be 2,000 and that they would need UK and Irish rights. I haven't heard of the author (Chris Brown) so I'm going to ask for more information on him and the proposed book. This is clearly a commercial project so I feel I should charge, but at the same time it is probably not going to be a "bestseller"! Can anyone suggest what might be a reasonable but not exorbitant rate to seek?

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

I have twice in the past been asked about images for use in books - the first requesting a not-so-big image and the second requesting the largest I could offer. In both cases I enquired about how profitable these publications would prove, and in both cases I came to the conclusion of 'not very'. I asked about some sort of compensation and the authors/publishers said that the best they could offer was a complimentary copy of the final product, which I found fair enough.

To be honest I'm still waiting for copies of the books, although in the second case the request was made only a few months ago, so the final product may be some time off. If I hear nothing from either (the first request I'm unlikely to as it was close on two years ago) I shan't be supplying my images to such a cause ever again. Promising to offer a compensation then not doing so is in my opinion extremely rude - perhaps more insulting than someone simply pinching the image off the site!

Karl


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Thanks, Karl - I should have said that they are offering to pay but are inviting me to say what I'd charge. That would suggest they are prepared to go further than just giving a complimentary copy of the book. They are a long-established publishing house too.

[Edited 2009-03-25 13:19:48]

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

I think it's imporant whether it's mainly a text book, or a coffee table book with large photos.

In the latter case I'd ask 150-200 euros for the three, more if I thought they were important to them and difficult to replace. It's always anybody's guess, though.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Thanks for that advice, Peter. I will probably propose a price along the lines you suggest. Best wishes from DUB.

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5808 times:



Quoting Irish251 (Reply 4):

It's just what I feel is reasonable based on a few similar and not-so-similar sales. It would be nice to see what others think, but unfortunately few seem to feel like posting. I don't see why. With 1,5 million photos in the database, you're unlikely to compete directly against each other.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineWalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1293 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5796 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
It would be nice to see what others think,

I once sold a picture to an advertising agency. They had seen a shot of mine (inside cargo area of a C-130) on here, but they asked me if I had a similar shot - taken from inside - with the ramp in open position. They wanted such a shot, which they afterwards could photo-shop and use with their product. They offered me 500 Euro, after I told them I did not have it ready, but with some luck, I could make such a shot in the near future while visiting airshows.
So, the first opportunity that came up was an open day at Cologne/Bonn, where there was a C-160D available (but it took me some hours of waiting to get a clear shot of the open ramp).

The advertising agency paid me timely and correctly after they received my invoice. I also received a copy of the end result (brochure).

Quoting Irish251 (Thread starter):
Can anyone suggest what might be a reasonable but not exorbitant rate to seek?

I would ask at least 500 Euro and wait for their reaction. Good luck!

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5763 times:



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 6):

I would ask at least 500 Euro and wait for their reaction

I'm not saying that is wrong, Walter, but generally advertising agencies can afford to pay more than book publishers I think.

Cheers

Peter Smile



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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5735 times:



Quoting Irish251 (Thread starter):

I accepted 300 euros from a publisher for a photo that went on the cover of a cofee table size book with a similar print run of 2000. Any higher and I think you are pushing your luck. It all depends on how good the photo is and how rare it is. The publisher should know how much to charge. Have they not offered you a price?

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I will post details of their response when I receive it.

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