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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

Guys,

this one made my day:

Normally I don't post details but this is a good one:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert A.xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 02:48 AM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Airliners.net photo feedback: Permission to use photo in newspaper

Hello Mr. Garcia.

I loved your photo of the Airbus with the Cessna in front of it lining up at
Boston Logan Airport.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...irbus-A330-223/0600923/L/&width=10
24&height=699&sok=&sort=&photo_nr=7&prev_id=0618577&next_id=0593996

I have written a short opinion article (unpaid) regarding the possible
closure of the Toronto Buttonville Airport that will appear in the online
edition of the Toronto Star, our local newspaper. My opinion is that the
closure of the small general aviation airport will cause problems with the
mix of small and large aircraft at Pearson International.

Your photo is a perfect illustration of my argument in favour of keeping the
small airport open as well. I would like to have your permission to have it
published by the Toronto Star newspaper and its online edition.

Of courese, you would be credited for your fine photograph.

Please let me know if you would allow this.

Thanks
Robert A.
Toronto Ontario Canada

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Message was sent using the mail interface on Airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=0600923
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I replied to him with a rewritten Joe Pries standard template for inquiries and got this response in my inbox today:

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What a laughable disingenuous pompous response!

Don't quit your day job...

R
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Hope he is not finding anyone who gives him a suitable photo for free....!!!!

Vasco

25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7995 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
I replied to him with a rewritten Joe Pries standard template for inquiries and got this response in my inbox today:

Can you share the template with us? Tired of writing cold emails each time!

Nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7992 times:
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Quoting Deaphen (Reply 1):
Tired of writing cold emails each time!

Nice problem to have...  sarcastic   Wink

2H4



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7917 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):

Joe Pries templates...?  confused 


User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

Well, fwiw, I guess this would be the article.

User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7809 times:
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Yes lets see the pompous template please Smile


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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7755 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):

Vasco, That image of your is a terrific stock shot, one that you could obtain much mileage from...problem is no one knows it exists other than observers of the site. Think it would have served you best by giving him the image and getting your name out. Any free press is better than none, newspapers and journal rags don't want to pay anything, yet they have wide coverage. (Thats good for you). Publications, (magazines and tabloids) are better established and have budgets for obtaining images. When the photo involves "Breaking news" like the Hudson landing...images are circulated through Reuters, AP, Wide world in seconds. Unless you were there during the event and caught the $$$ shot, most unlikely you will be compensated for a newspaper shot.

Two weeks ago, a friend of mine was killed in his WWll plane off Long Island. I had a terrific image of him with his son who also flies as his wingman in East coast and Midwest airshows. I gave the image to a friendly contact at a local news channel here on LI. Within 30 minutes I was called by Newsday, CBS, NBC and others, including the Chicago Tribune and Fox 5. I released the image as he had a large east coast air show following and is highly respected. Fortunetely I mandated that no photo credits were to be involved (newsday did publish my name) and no compensation as I am a friend of the deceased and only volunteered the image out of repect. Point is, it's incredible how fast images fly over the wire and if you can get your name in print in newspapers, you avail the image to other prospects and also to illegal lifting as well, but why not gamble? (it's a double edge sword)... It's good to get some of these journalists in your pocket as they like to hook up with photographers that know more than they do. I'm not quite sure what the "Joe Pries Template" is but my guess is, the response won't make you feel warm and fuzzy!...sorry for chimming in on this subject, but have run into it several times and now have several contacts deeply imbedded in the local press and has worked out well in the long run. Either way...wish I took that shot!...J  camera 


User currently offlineAlberto Riva From United States of America, joined May 2002, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7722 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 6):
most unlikely you will be compensated for a newspaper shot.

Rod, I have to disagree with that .. or rather: I have to specify.  Smile

A local or in any case a small newspaper (where small = with a circulation of a few
thousands or in general a neighborhood / small town audience) will very rarely pay for a photograph, you're right. They just can't.

If a serious newspaper -- anywhere from Newsday to the New York Times, in the NY area -- wants to use an image not taken by their staff or by an agency they subscribe to, such as
AP, Reuters, or Getty, they will pay for it. Same goes for their websites or for other mainstream news organizations. Very rarely will they use stuff for free, although they may ask, just in case.

My policy is to reply each time with a short, non-template email detailing why I do not let anybody use my work for free. In the very rare case that I do let somebody use an image for free (non-profit organizations, say) I specify that I am making an exception because they are a charitable entity, or otherwise worthy of getting my stuff for free. But it's rare indeed.

In general I find that taking the time to reply with a personal message to all requests for photo usage is more productive in the long run than shooting off a template saying in essence "go away cause you're a leech." But I'm sure Vasco gets a lot more requests than I do, so he's probably a lot more annoyed than I am by all the freeloaders.  Smile


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7699 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 6):
That image of your is a terrific stock shot

thanks, good to know, maybe I should do some more offensive marketing but that is just a general thing. I am bit lazy and my life does not depend on selling pictures.....not yet at least!

Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 6):
Any free press is better than none, newspapers and journal rags don't want to pay anything, yet they have wide coverage. (Thats good for you).

true, but some kind of compensation is always nice....a few years ago, I took this shot and offered it to the dpa (German AP).....they paid 69 EUR...not a lot, but it was picked up by a lot of entities and published in newspapers, online as well as print media and it got the name out.

Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 6):
I'm not quite sure what the "Joe Pries Template" is but my guess is, the response won't make you feel warm and fuzzy!..

You'll see it in a few moments...bear with me! It depends......

Quoting Alberto Riva (Reply 7):
In general I find that taking the time to reply with a personal message

Most of the time I add a personal message / touch and take part of the template, if I already know they are worth the effort. Sometimes I just reply with the template. For some reason these days you can tell right off the bat, if someone is just looking for a freebie or is a potential client!

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this is the original template, slightly altered over the years, most of the time I add a personal message to section 2 and reply to the original request.

The first section does not make you feel warm and fuzzy.....I know! (but as I said, I hardly use it)


Thank you for your interest in my work seen on www.airliners.net
You are receiving this email reply because you e-mailed me about using one
or more of my photos.
Please read the below to determine if you need to email me again.

1.) if you are a COMMERCIAL user i.e. corporation, small business, school, a
gov't agency) and you are looking for FREE photos from me for any purpose
including an in-house type of use, you can stop reading now, I'm sorry but I
cannot help you. Traveling the world to shoot airplanes is the furthest
thing from free, in fact it costs me a fortune.

2.) if you are a COMMERCIAL user who is interested in licensing one or more
of my photos (for a fee), please email me all pertinent information.

1. Your company name
1.1 Contact information (incl. telephone number, position, address and URL)

2. How will the photo/s be used? (Annual report, Marketing brochure etc.)
2.1 What kind of media?
2.2 Size of the printed image?
2.3 Will it be on the cover? On the inside?
2.4 How many of the product (brochure, etc) will you be producing?
2.5 Is it an internal item or for mass distribution?
2.6 One time usage, exclusive or non exclusive etc.?

3.) if you are a PRIVATE, non-commercial user (airline enthusiast, airplane
lover) who wants to use one or more of my photos on your non-commercial,
private web-site, please provide me with the URL so that I can determine if
I want my photo/s on your site.

Some of the questions have already been answered, but I'd appreciate if you
could reply to those which have not been covered.


Thank you for your time,

----------------------------------------------------

Vasco


User currently offlineSamuel32 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

Lets see that template... !

I've given my images free to some aviation organizations. Magazines and News media are gonna have to pay though.


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7679 times:



Quoting Samuel32 (Reply 9):
Lets see that template... !

please.....

and it is already there!

Vasco


User currently offlineMat1979 From France, joined Dec 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

I think the template is quite nice and to the point. Maybe softened a bit, less abrasive; but anyway, friendly email or not, those willing to pay will, those looking for free lunch won't.

About two months ago i had a picture published in a german aero magazine. They offered 50 bucks plus a copy of the mag.


User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

The template is actually good from the perspective of being an aviation photographer and I can appreciate the gist of it but I think most potential clients will not understand the basis of it and take offense thus killing a potential deal right in its tracks. Joe may find this a valuable triag tool to wead out a spender or a tire kicker...sometimes you do have to choose that road but I at least like to feel out the client first with a personal touch so I can get a better pulse on the request. If I feel I'm getting the run around then the artillary comes out. Every request is different and cooperation may lead to a long term client relationship. After a while you can get a grip if someone is efing with you.

Everyone likes compensation for their work, I depend on my imaging to make a living so I'm right their for the $$$ but sometimes you gotta eat a little crow...sometimes it's works ...sometimes it doesn't. By the way..."Jet Direct Aviation" just folded so if anyone is owed $$$ for jet shoots kiss it good bye! They were formerly Sentient Group...  weeping 


User currently offlineSFO2SVO From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

I am generally very opposed to the idea of giving out photos to be used commercially for free, but in this case it looks like it is for a good cause (keeping local airport open) and for a fellow enthusiast. He also stated he is not paid for the article.


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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Nice template Vasco, that's the only part I do not like about it!

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 8):
Traveling the world to shoot airplanes is the furthest
thing from free, in fact it costs me a fortune.

For most of us (including you I would think) it is a passion / hobby to take pics of airplanes. It's not like anybody forces you to spend money on it, and the above statement sounds a bit like you don't really want to do it anyways, but it eats up a lot of your money.

I think it may come across as that you charge for use because of your expenses. I for one charge because I feel my photos are worth it. I'll travel and spend money on it anyways, no matter if I sell photos or not  Smile

Otherwise I agree, giving them away for free is not a good thing, no matter how "much credit you get".
Nobody cares to read photo credits unless he is a photographer himself or involved in the industry. "Your name will be printed" is worthless most of the time imho.

An entirely different story of course if it is a cause you support.


Cheers,
Florian



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineF4wso From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 974 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7529 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
What a laughable disingenuous pompous response!

Don't quit your day job...

R

Any courtesy this requestor made in his initial inquiry were obviously a facade given his response. Whether giving away for free or not making a sale, you still need a day job to enjoy food with your meals in this situation.

I do like how the template separates commercial and non-commercial usage. Two examples for me are I share some of my images with the State of Minnesota Aeronautics department because it is a way that I can support aviation in my home state. Another free usage I gave was for the Crash Fire Rescue at Cleveland, Ohio, to use my airport overview as part of their training. I was happy to give that permission because I flew in there a lot and want them to be well trained should their services be necessary.

Gary



Seeking an honest week's pay for an honest day's work
User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5576 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7522 times:
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Hello

Personally I would not use a template like that. Seems a little cold and robotic.

I have have 'sold' an image recently to 4 different news agencies, email written the same way as I would a friend. All positive.

Regards

Gary


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7465 times:



Quoting Soon7x7 (Reply 12):
The template is actually good from the perspective of being an aviation photographer and I can appreciate the gist of it but I think most potential clients will not understand the basis of it and take offense thus killing a potential deal right in its tracks.

Again, this template is a generic one and I only use it when I am sure they are looking for freebies....(you just can tell) like in this situation. I am just tired of getting the same old lame excuse.......so I am not putting a lot of effort in it in the first place.

For real inquiries I only use the middle part alter it a bit and the other part of the e-mail is geared towards the person / company written in a friendly way. Most of the time....the sale will be completed.

Vasco


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7453 times:
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Quoting INNflight (Reply 14):
Otherwise I agree, giving them away for free is not a good thing, no matter how "much credit you get".
Nobody cares to read photo credits unless he is a photographer himself or involved in the industry. "Your name will be printed" is worthless most of the time imho.

That all depends on the puclication and shot I would say. From personal experience there is definitely a snowball effect sometimes

Tim



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7416 times:



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 18):

Not saying I have never put my foot down in the same manner, I also have no time, neither the patience to deal with tire kickers...but from the outside exists a perception in the business world that photographers can be very difficult to deal with. Having this knowledge, I feal in the interest of gaining a new client, I probably give more patience than is required but I deal more with corporate aviation and reputation is everything. When working with publications and the press the picture does take on new colors...I'm opened minded until I catch a buzz word that pushes the "off" button...then the templates will start to fly!...It is fairly apparent that we have all had different experiences that require different responses...no perfect one exists but I think that this forum is excellent to banter around the responses from all that have gone through this.  Wink


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7375 times:
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Vasco,

It depends on who is asking but I think the answer you got from the photographer was as rude as your reply to him initially. That template can easily been seen as adversarial, right off the fly.

I recently got a note that stated the following: (I added XXX YYY and TransGlobal as nonsense names to occlude the real names.)

My name is XXX and I work for a company called YYY. We are an airline entertainment company that installs TV's and XM Radio on certain Airline fleet. TransGlobal is one of our customers. We just moved into a new facility and would like to decorate our lobby with our customers photos. Could you please send me the picture file and copyright permissions? This is a hot project that we're trying to finish so if you could respond as soon as possible that would be greatly appreciated!

I responded: "For picture file and copyright permission, what compensation are you offering? I'm pretty flexible."

The reply: "YYY is not offering compensation for photos. We’re not going to be using them for profit, just as show on our wall. I’m sorry. Is there any way that we would still be able to use your photo?"

My response, which went unanswered, went as follows:

"Doesnt copyright permission allows YYY use to do anything with the photo? I cannot grant that especially without compensation.
In the past, I have sold to non-profit organizations for photo use and copyrights and on a few occassions, I have even given a pic file for non-profits orgs, out of goodwill.

If YYY is home decorating its lobby, I am sure they would have to buy a framed photo at the very least, at cost.

Since YYY is a subsidiary of 'a certain airline' which is for profit, I don't see that airline giving me freebies. Likewise, while I am honored, I can't just give a photo like that. Since it seems YYY is asking for a photo on a wall, perhaps we can work something out.



Did my response help? No. But I didn't get a nasty retort either, no need to burn bridges.

In my experience, if someone is going to approach you for a freebie, if the dont get it from you they'll find another person.



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User currently offlineGranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5576 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7325 times:
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Mario

Totally agree.

Happy Anniversary by the way, 9 years ago today you became a member. I'm 10 years next month!

Gary

[Edited 2009-04-18 05:48:28]

User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7271 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 20):

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7071 times:
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Thanks Gary. Congrats to you too!

Hey, I look at it this way: Photo sales won't pay my bills. But if they pay for the gear, then its gravy.


Oh, I meant to post this recently. Did anyone else get emails from peopl looking for photos for an iPhone app??



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User currently offlineKoryo From Vatican City, joined Feb 2009, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7061 times:

Could you post how the email looks like?


This forum is as good as you make it. Never post a message in anger. Take the high road and others will follow.
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7022 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 23):
Oh, I meant to post this recently. Did anyone else get emails from peopl looking for photos for an iPhone app??

Yes, but it's already fw weeks/months ago.

georg


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