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'Bout Time For Another Healthy Forum Debate...  
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Hi all,

Exactly as the title says - I thought I'd start another debating thread.

I've been noticing lately less and less activity in this forum. Even pre and post-screening threads aren't present in any great number. With an ever-growing community serving an ever-growing hobby I'm wondering why there is such a lack of activity? Have we all given up? Are the 'noobs' scared to ask questions in case some members bite their heads off (and we all know it does happen!)? Have we all stopped photographing 'planes?

Folks, please don't be scared of posting something, no matter how stupid you think it is. Quite often some silly posts can spurn more serious, in-depth (or light-hearted) threads. Let's get this forum back on its feet and host regular discussions with regard to this hobby we all love.

For a long time now we have seen a reluctance to go back to 'the good ol' days'. We can do it; we are still the same community as we always were; just bigger now. Let's not let the size and scale of this site send us off into secretive, individual little clicks and groups.

Finally, as it stands at the moment I don't think there's enough encouragement in this forum for some of our newer members. Let's get the photography forum riding again!!!

Karl

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User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

I only started contributing photos here recently despite being a long time lurker. But, so far I've not felt that I was not getting any assistance or encouragement. In fact, the following individuals have been extremely helpful in getting my first few photos accepted. In no particular order....

Dlowwa
Silver1SWA
Koyro
Cpd
Aussie18

But, I will of course not complain if I get even more feedback.   

[Edited 2009-05-14 22:24:48]

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Yes, most folks around here are pretty helpful; I certainly never object to lending a hand. But there are some who can be condescending to newer or younger members. I remember being new here a few years back (when I had no images in the database) and some dismissed me in what I can only call 'an inappropriate manner'. Many of these folks I actually get on with rather well now and I guess you have to kind of 'earn' a respect around here, which in all honesty isn't something I agree entirely with. I personally don't think you need images in this database to give out good advice, and I certainly don't think that you require images here to be a competent photographer.

The subject above is only one of several I want to touch on, however, during the course of this thread. This thread's purpose is to glean opinions and gather feedback; to have a healthy debate, which we all haven't had for a while. Others' views and opinions will of course vary, and I dare say subjects not so far thought of will crop up here.

Karl


User currently offlineXenon From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Maybe the good weather has something to do with it...

Daniel



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User currently offlineKlemmi85 From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quite right, the last "big" debate I remember (because I participated ) was the one with the "Firefox vs. Photoshop colors" which is now a month old I think.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...tion_photography/read.main/331825/

Atm we tend to have some kind of "shall I buy this one or that one" threads.

However, I'd appreciate some good debates around here, too.

For the weather... maybe it's a factor, won't deny. For me, I can hope for the weather to become more stable again, atm it's hardly possible to go out for more than 2 hours and not become wet  

[Edited 2009-05-15 01:58:31]

[Edited 2009-05-15 01:59:08]

User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

I agree that forum activity is down - but so are uploads. Normally at this time of the year they would be 1000+ per day. Not this year. I don't know why.

I also agree that newbies are sometimes treated inappropriately. Again, I don't know why, but I believe that we are seeing a new kind of newbie. In the past, most newbies were seasoned photographers who were diversifying into aviation photography. They asked for help here, but their questions were mostly to do with uploading standards, rejection reasons, etc.

Now, many newbies on this site seem to be total beginners in photography - I have seen many questions of the type "What settings should I use on my Nikanon wunderSLR ..." Some experienced folks here may find this irritating and reply in inappropriate ways.

[Edited 2009-05-15 03:14:06]


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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3879 times:



Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
I agree that forum activity is down - but so are uploads. Normally at this time of the year they would be 1000+ per day. Not this year. I don't know why.

Due to 1.5 year of constant trouble the times that a.net was the best, bussiest and largest are gone. For ever I am afraid.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3879 times:



Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
Now, many newbies on this site seem to be total beginners in photography - I have seen many questions of the type "What settings should I use on my Canikon wunderSLR ..." Some experienced folks here may find this irritating and reply in inappropriate ways.

That seems to be the biggest problem in some cases and the feeling that because you've got a decent camera you'll take great photos straight away without understanding the basics. (just like a golf club won't turn you into Tiger Woods or a tennis racket make you Roger Federer). And it perhaps is irritating when the 10th or 20th person comes along asking the same basic questions about what settings to use.

It's almost as if there needs to be a sort of apprenticeship for "new" photographers. One thought that's just struck me is whether there should be a "beginner's" self test, for want of a better description. Something where people can be given some idea of what to expect in different circumstances and they can go and try it out. What optimum settings to use, or how to find the optimum settings, when not to take photos and what to look for in photos that makes them good or not. Also, what the limitations of the equipment are. Not everyone will have a top of the range lens. It's also not as if we're in the days of film where you could spend a lot just trying to learn the ropes. It costs nothing to take lots of photos so there's no excuse not to go and try things out.



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User currently offlineKlemmi85 From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
Now, many newbies on this site seem to be total beginners in photography - I have seen many questions of the type "What settings should I use on my Nikanon wunderSLR ..." Some experienced folks here may find this irritating and reply in inappropriate ways.

Sometimes I can understand it quite well when someone becomes irritated. Normally you don't wake up in the morning and feel the need to become an aviation photographer from scratch.

I think most of the people around here do know the basics of photography and relate their questions to something that is related to aviation. Mainly that is what this category is made for. This is not a photography only forum where people discuss the best settings of their gear or try to get into photography. If I have some distinct questions regarding to my equipment, I post those questions elsewhere than on airliners.net or just begin to read my manual (this is the book-like thing that a wide range of folks ignore).

I agree, things like the choice of a specific lens for av photography, screening, post processing etc debates are meant to be posted in here but for the basics or fundamental photography questions, I doubt that this is the right choice here.

I'm not saying you should not ask simple things, but you should be able to find the shutter release without having to open a thread for it. If someone posted something like "I'm using 800mm, fullframe sensor, f2 and have a veeery limited DOF but I don't know why" (exaggerating) then I would be irritated, too. Why does he use a 800mm F2 (imagine the sheer size ) lens on a fullframe body and doesn't know s**t?

Same debate as why people think buying better equipment makes them shoot better pictures. I know many who buy a DSLR simply because it's cool to have one. None of them uses the potential of the camera, none of them knows the basics of photography, but all of them run around, open threads on how to do this and that without the intention of gaining some experience and knowledge themselves. And just because there are many of those folks, I think someone experienced might sooner "attack" a "newbie" because all this basic stuff is discussed in the WWW a thousand times, is printed black on white in your users manual and can be learned by just trying out for yourself. On top, most of em want the "perfect solution for every encounterable situation" delivered right to their head without even need to think. That upsets people and I understand that.

Nonetheless, again I state that you should not be afraid of posting questions here but there are topics and questions which are better off at another place than a.net.

No means to offend anyone here, of course, just speaking generally what I think is the reason of some people getting "harsh" at newbies.

Just my 2c$, blame me if you want to  

// EDIT//
Took me too long to write I guess, you came up with almost the same idea while I was still writing ^^

[Edited 2009-05-15 03:59:41]

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3874 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Thread starter):
We can do it; we are still the same community as we always were; just bigger now.

Actually Karl, I think that right there can be debated. The community has seen the departure of many big names and key players in the forum.

Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
I agree that forum activity is down - but so are uploads. Normally at this time of the year they would be 1000+ per day. Not this year. I don't know why.

I personally believe this site is still suffering from the events of last year. It will probably never be 100% the way it was and any form of recovery will be very slow until the ongoing technical problems with the site finally get ironed out.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
I personally don't think you need images in this database to give out good advice, and I certainly don't think that you require images here to be a competent photographer.

No, but to give advice and judge whether or not a photo has a chance for the database, one needs fairly decent knowledge of how to get a photo accepted themselves. In order to critique based on a.net's standards, you first must understand the standards.

Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
In the past, most newbies were seasoned photographers who were diversifying into aviation photography. They asked for help here, but their questions were mostly to do with uploading standards, rejection reasons, etc.

Now, many newbies on this site seem to be total beginners in photography - I have seen many questions of the type "What settings should I use on my Canikon wunderSLR ..." Some experienced folks here may find this irritating and reply in inappropriate ways.

Good point, Viv.

As far as intimidation, I too felt that way when getting serious a few years ago. I sometimes do feel a sense of needing to prove myself. That just makes me work harder. If I could post a shot in a thread for some help and get something constructive instead of a condescending remark, it was a good day.

Back to my point about damage done to the site...

I brought up this analogy about a year ago...I said what happened to airliners.net was similar to a musical artist "selling out". When a band makes it big and signs with a major record label, gets a lot of radio play etc, it's very common for the original fans to dislike the changes. Naturally when a band gets more exposure, especially mainstream exposure, their fan-base changes. Instead of having fans that originally caught on due to their love and passion for music, fans that found something in common with the band...something they could relate to...now they get people (often younger) seeking out a song (arguably of less quality) because they heard it on the radio. A new generation of fan is now introduced and they clash with the old generation. Some of the originals feel betrayed and so they move on.

This site has experienced a transformation. It has essentially "sold out". DM is in it for a different reason than Johan was initially. There is a new audience. DM is the record company now promoting airliners.net. Now you have the casual fan (newbie photographer) looking to join the party overnight without any basic knowledge of photography probably because they saw a great airplane picture and thought wow I wanna do that too! Like Viv said, before it was seasoned photographers that came here out of their desire to expand their photography.

The moment Airliners.net was sold, the site was in for some big change. Big changes that many would not take to kindly. And I think that is exactly what happened.

Anyway...it's 4am here and I tend to spill nonsense late at night. I hope some of that at least made some sense.

And I don't mean to offend any new contributors. I do not mind helping people out at all. I am glad to help. I just think that having someone come here and ask for magical settings for spotting is somewhat off-putting.

[Edited 2009-05-15 04:05:27]


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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Well, yes and no. I got into this site after surfing through a lot of pictures here, and thought 'I can do that too'. It was like 7 years ago.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3774 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
Now you have the casual fan (newbie photographer) looking to join the party overnight without any basic knowledge of photography probably because they saw a great airplane picture and thought wow I wanna do that too! Like Viv said, before it was seasoned photographers that came here out of their desire to expand their photography.

If you're talking about the forum then maybe that is true, speaking about the database I do not agree. Remember that many "big names" now were "newbies" back when they started out here too. I can say I very much needed the advice people gave me here when I started out scanning slides here, people like Johan Ljungdahl helped me a lot initially. I could pass on that knowledge later on. In that sense it's no different now than it was years ago I think.

This debate always pops up. Personally most of my friends have left so the forum is just not as much fun for me anymore, no more great fun "classic" discussions...the feeling is gone I guess but I still love uploading here and getting so much great feedback from the visitors here for which I am very thankful.

Sorry for being melancholic Smile

Tim



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Interesting to see how many theories are being put forward regarding whether or not we can rebuild not only this forum but the site generally.

I fell into the category noted above whereby already-competent photographers had perhaps turned digital recently and simply needed a few pointers with a new media. I think I had a good understanding of the site's strict guidelines even before I had an image on here, and that's probably because I applied similar rules for my own work (which of course was more awkward on slide/film). Testimony to that was that my first few uploads were accepted without question, although my VERY first was nicely edited by someone else.

When I came here as a newbie giving advice people soon formed an opinion of me, which unfortunately was perhaps a stereotypical one. I came here already as a (pretty) seasoned photographer, however some treated me like a beginner and often questioned any advice I gave simply to bolster a row. Then of course came the, " Who are you to say anything? Where are your pictures on here?!". I politely stated that me having no images here didn't make me a beginner or a bad photographer. One thing I had virtually NO experience with at the time was Photoshop, and any questions with regard to that I kept out of. No point in dishing out advice on something you know nothing about! But basic capture hasn't changed too much since 35mm SLRs, and I felt qualified to give advice on such issues. I never gave advice on accpetance or rejection issues because again I wasn't entirely sure.

So I remember being new and being treated by some like a moron, and therefore know just how off-putting, rude and de-moralising some folks can be towards genuine people.

On the other side of the coin.....

You learn pretty quick around here. You have to. But the suggestions above seem correct that many new folks around here are not just new to the forums but to photography as a whole. Obviously this is the place to learn and pick up tips but we are not full-time photography lecturers and we can't always pander to every whim. I agree sometimes people need to stand on their own two feet and learn to walk by themselves before they learn to run - the manual explains many issues brought up here; in a manner that a child could understand. So yes, doing a bit of ground-work on your own will increase your chances of receiving sound advice here. Many of us never had the chance in days gone by to get access to the quality of information which can be accessed here today.

The only type of person I find more than a little annoying here (and unfortunately they tend to be newbies) is the beginner who thinks his picture should never have been rejected. He makes a thousand useless points and then compares his image with one already in the database; an image which, clearly and plainly, is miles better! Or there are the ones who ask, "Is this OK?" when it has 5,000 steps, vehicles, etc. blocking most of the aircraft. It only takes a short time to read the crtieria regarding rejection possibilities.

Ultimately, I think sometimes the problem is perhaps too much enthusiasm by very young members, but I actually see this as a good thing. These folks will be replacing the likes of us in years to come and we really should be coaxing them a little more; dumb questions or no dumb questions. We all know what it's like to be young, over-zealous and impatient; to want to get stuck in without researching. Surely a good thing in the end?

Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
Normally at this time of the year they would be 1000+ per day. Not this year. I don't know why

Bad weather Viv - normally at this time of the year my slot allocation is at least half-full. At the moment I have only two in the queue, LOL!

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
Actually Karl, I think that right there can be debated. The community has seen the departure of many big names and key players in the forum

True, but it's a never-ending ladder where people step up to a rung recently vacated. Others will take their places as their experience progresses.

Cheers, let's keep up the debate and throw some more ideas around.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
If you're talking about the forum then maybe that is true, speaking about the database I do not agree.

Yes Tim, I was referring to the forum. Other contributing factors I left out..
The photog forum being available to anyone with a photog account. It was an introduction to a new user base.
And the digital age where every day it becomes easier for anyone to afford a digital SLR and start taking decent pictures calling themselves photographers. I'm sure that doesn't sit well with those who poured their sweat and tears into the hobby the old-fashioned way. Suddenly, everyone is an expert.

I realize everyone starts as a newbie. I did too, although long after I was already a long time user of the site. Most of what I have learned about photography has come from here! I owe it all to the help I received in this forum.



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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
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Chaps,

The forum is only as good as you choose to make it...

I'd suggest that, if, as a community, you feel the forum needs some more activity, give it some; we're always keen to see new ideas, concepts and people discussed. There have been a lot of changes around the site, but we are moving forward and are very fortunate to have a community of fantastic photographers.

A good round of The Shot That Made You Go 'Wow' always seems to generate some decent discussion and bring some new names to the surface.

However, it's not uncommon to see a slight drop in activity around this time in year; people tend to spend more time out in the good weather* taking pictures. As the summer months, these will come to the surface and activity will increase.

* Quite where that good weather is for the U.K, I don't know, however...

On one hand, it is all very well discussing the past and changes; however, there's only one thing that's going to happen - that's the future.

Get taking pictures, get posting some shots, post some new ideas, generate discussions and keep us busy!  Smile

-Gofly



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
And the digital age where every day it becomes easier for anyone to afford a digital SLR and start taking decent pictures calling themselves photographers. I'm sure that doesn't sit well with those who poured their sweat and tears into the hobby the old-fashioned way. Suddenly, everyone is an expert.

I think that you hit the nail on the head in the sense that it's not the opening up of the forum (in fact in the old days anyone could join for free) but the fact that like you say anyone can pick up a digital camera for relatively little money and with very little experience can get pretty decent shots after editing. In the "old" days you either had to be an experience slide/print shooter with the editing and scanning skills, or spend a lot of money on a digital camera, soemthing you would only do when you were serious about the hobby.

The hobby has gone through something of a boom period the past few years which is a good thing in most ways but can have some drawbacks too.

Dont be too saddened though because you dont have to screen all those shots Wink just kidding

Tim



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3677 times:
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I'll tell you one thing that has changed around here - looks like Karl is pinching my old reputation for long posts  biggrin . But I am not going to knock someone trying to articulate his thoughts here - keep it up!

I too like a good debate - I will try to join in.

Paul


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3631 times:



Quoting Psych (Reply 16):
looks like Karl is pinching my old reputation for long posts. But I am not going to knock someone trying to articulate his thoughts here - keep it up!

Why is it so hard to keep it short enough so the reader doesn't fall asleep while the point is being made?  Smile


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3627 times:



Quoting Viv (Reply 5):
Some experienced folks here may find this irritating and reply in inappropriate ways.

And that's what we must not do. Because that drives visitors away.

I'm guilty of not contributing much to the site - I don't get time, or I'm too tired or a combination of both.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
The community has seen the departure of many big names and key players in the forum.

Some of the biggest names still exist - they just don't frequent the forum (that I've noticed) - but they still contribute great photos.


User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Also, one thing I'l like to ask my fellow newbies. In your pre-screening topics, can you not delete the earlier edits of your images if possible? I find it useful to see the images that people say you need to do this or that to in order to improve it. I find it almost more useful if I see the "incorrect" edits and the feedback on them than just looking at the final product. It also allows us to see the progression of editing and how it affected the final outcome.

It's something I'm deliberately doing in my pre-screening topics so others can see. And, I find it helps me as well.

Anyways, just my .02 USD.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4770 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3610 times:
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Quoting Cvervais (Reply 19):
I find it useful to see the images that people say you need to do this or that to in order to improve it. I find it almost more useful if I see the "incorrect" edits and the feedback on them than just looking at the final product. It also allows us to see the progression of editing and how it affected the final outcome.

I agree. It's also frustrating when I want to help but get to a topic too late and can not see the original edit in question. Unless it is linked to from the queue which will obviously not be there forever, it would be helpful if the first edit remains accessible in the thread.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3575 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
I agree. It's also frustrating when I want to help but get to a topic too late and can not see the original edit in question. Unless it is linked to from the queue which will obviously not be there forever, it would be helpful if the first edit remains accessible in the thread.

As you said, that is pretty difficult. If somebody had a picture in the queue and is being told: no chance of acceptance because of this and that, then you remove it from the queue and the link is no longer available. Maybe people should upload those pictures to their profile then. Then iti s longer available and can be looked at.

About the forum. We did a survey about the mega threads or the individual screening threads and that was the majority who wanted the individual threads. So here we have them  Smile And I see a lot of them. So it looked like people using them. And other users participate in it and give feedback.

About the new guys who try to upload here. It is sometimes a little harsh. Even if you have a decent camera and a good Photoshop, that doesn't mean you get them accepted right away. it is a process of learning. Just remember: I guess we all went through that until we got the first accepted.
The guides made by the screeners which are available now are very helpful and a good tool to get an idea what needs to be done.

The general activity in the forum... Well, I don't know why...  Confused

wilco737



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3563 times:
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Quoting JeffM (Reply 17):
Why is it so hard to keep it short enough so the reader doesn't fall asleep while the point is being made? Smile

I am thrilled to see good old Jeff taking the bait there - that in itself reminds me of the old days!

Paul


User currently offlineGavinConroy From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 33 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

I don't post much but have a few observations.

The forum used to have lots of interesting threads but these days there are loads of pre screen advice threads and you have to fish around to find some other interesting threads.

Pre screening is good and I think the more experienced guys don't give some people a lot of time but sometimes that is deserved.
Sometimes you see photos in threads that don't have a show of making it but if everyone who thought about posting on the forum read the rules and gauged the photos they take against those in the data base some of the experienced guys may have a bit more patience.

Have seen other threads where people come to the forum to ask how to upload a photo but you can find all of that information on the site without the need to post in the forum before looking.

Have learnt a lot from the forum over the years and I really hope that can continue.
I agree, the photos that make you go wow make for interesting threads.

Like most of you, when I started out I constantly looked at the database and gauged my photos against what I was seeing and improved my own technique and learnt from some experienced guys who posted on the forum.
I then read the rules regarding uploading, motive etc and was then all set.

A bit of researching of the site before people post could perhaps produce more interesting threads but then again I could be way off the mark.

[Edited 2009-05-16 00:36:22]


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User currently offlineKMB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3547 times:



Quoting JakTrax (Thread starter):
Finally, as it stands at the moment I don't think there's enough encouragement in this forum for some of our newer members. Let's get the photography forum riding again!!!

Hi Karl

I am sure you know there are some of us that will help members if asked but we don't all like to use forums and I think you have to bear that in mind. Whilst I personally do not respond to pre-post screening threads I will always respond to emails and PM's from members asking for help or advice. Also it is not always the newer members that require encouragement.

Kevin


25 JakTrax : Now there's a blast from the past! Been a long time since you responded to one of my posts Jeff..... Of course no-one made you fall asleep while read
26 Psych : Some time for pondering the issues further, as we are in the midst of another 'breakdown' in the site's functionality (get that caffeine in your syste
27 KMB : Some will just move on because sadly change is not always for the better. A good post Paul, I often wonder about this......... Kevin
28 Eadster : I don't think I'm a big name here, but I still contribute photos. I used to contribute a lot to the forums however. But as mentioned above, when the
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