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User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

I'm trying for some nightime / late dusk shots. Should I just delete these from the queue? Any chance on these? Had the lens wide open at 2.8, 1/13th, iso 400. I'm guessing I'm going to have to stop down a bit and then find myself a tripod when next I get an opportunity like this. Any comments would be great or points for better technique. Thanks

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...DLQQFljfZj7pp08Z3Q?feat=directlink

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...PG2314mPClkqSKJluw?feat=directlink


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User currently offlineAlevik From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 1027 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
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I don't think the quality is up to par. Soft, contrast would be my thoughts but i am on my work laptop so harder to give more specifics.


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User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Ron,

I like what you were trying to do with both of these photos. The backdrop of the city lights in the first and the dusk sky in the second really add to both of the photos.

I would, however have to agree with Alevik that the quality is lacking in both of them. Whether because of the distance, wide open aperture, or slow shutter speed, they do look pretty soft.

For dark(er) shots, a tripod will of course help if the subject is stationary, but I actually find that a moving subject makes for an easier target if you manage to pan smoothly (hand-held). I regularly get a high percentage of keepers shooting at 1/30 - 1/45 if the subject is moving relatively quickly.

For me, a slowly taxiing plane (like the ones in your shots above) would be the hardest to get as it would be too fast for a tripod, but too slow for a nice smooth pan. You could try panning with a monopod or tripod, which should help, but at 1/13, your percentage of keepers is never going to be that great, especially considering the focal length (100mm+).

Your only other option would be to lay out the cash and get a full-frame camera with which you can bump up the ISO significantly and not get too harsh a result, but wouldn't we all love to do that....

I hope that can help you a bit, it's always good to get out of our comfort zone and try shooting in new/difficult situations and push our skills.

Dana


User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Thanks Dana, appreciate it. I think that is what I'll have to do to get these shots, invest in a tripod. I love the spot and the time of night, so I'm going to have to stop down on the aperature and the only way to do that is on a tripod so I can slow the shutter speed.

But you are right again. If I did have a full body, from what I've seen and read, you could really pump up the ISO. Not going to be able to do that right now. But even a body upgrade to the 40D or 50D would most likely handle higher ISO better. On my XS I should really stick to 200 ISO, 400 creates alot of grain and forces me to reduce noise in the software. Anything over 400 is unuseable on the XS.

I have indeed been trying my hand at panning. Got a few keepers down to 1/60th without IS at 80MM. I've since gotten IS and looking foward to trying it out with that. These two aircraft were both stopped, holding short. I'm going to stick to panning at this time of night until I get a tripod.

Thanks you guys, you've just helped out my acceptance ratio, not to mention the screeners getting frusturated looking at my shots!  Smile



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User currently offlineN51 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Hey Ron,

Those are both great shots. Do you mind sharing where you were to get them? I live right outside of Boston and I'm just starting to get into aviation photography (got a D80 with a NIKKOR 55-200 f4 VR). I've mainly been shooting my pics from the park off the end of 27 and by the houses at the end of 22L & 22R. Were you actually at the airport for them, or is there a place with public access that they can be taken from?

Thanks!
Mike


User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Hey Mike, welcome to the club! D80 is a nice body. Local BOS legend RudyC has used that exclusively to get some great shots: http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...dy%20Chiarello&distinct_entry=true

Alot of guys have had success at the Terminal B garage; you may be asked to leave though...at your own risk  Smile

I also often go to Castle Island in Southie to get some 4R approach shots. Also Constitution beach in East Boston would be great to check out 22L arrivals. Sounds like you got 27 arrivals covered. Check out this spotters guide to Boston: http://www.neairports.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=2

Best of luck. Post some of your keepers on here after you do your edits. If you need any help, let me know!



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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2612 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
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I can't see them full size but they seem rather soft to me.

User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2523 times:



Quoting RonS (Reply 3):

Case in point... got this one added today:


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As the remarks say, 1/45 shutter speed. Focal length was 100mm. Hand-held too.

Warm colors from the sunset add to the blur I think...

Dana


User currently offlineN51 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Thanks for the advice Ron! Constitution Beach seems like a much better place to get the 22 arrivals, so I look to head over there next time I'm out.

Quoting RonS (Reply 5):
Best of luck. Post some of your keepers on here after you do your edits. If you need any help, let me know!

I absolutely will. Now that the weather is starting to get nicer I plan on making more trips out. I've been starting to fool around with my photos in Photoshop, so once I get a few that I really like I'm really looking forward to posting them and getting help from the forum.


User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting N51 (Reply 4):
I've mainly been shooting my pics from the park off the end of 27

That made me think of these photos:


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Unbelievable shots from what I'm assuming is the location you refered to above. Now all you have to do is swap out your 55-200MM for a 1200MM!

Mike, when you have a second look through his work. You won't be dissapointed.

Dana - Awesome shot! Love the colors and the light! What lens were you using? That reminds me of one of mine, only down to 1/200th though. The slowest I have on Anet so far is 1/125, both done without IS. Still working on it, and I just got some IS so that may help.


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User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2490 times:



Quoting RonS (Reply 9):
What lens were you using

That one was with a Sigma 100-300mm f/4, which is a little heavy for panning, but worked out alright that time. Most of my low light panning shots are with my Pentax 50-135mm f/2.8 which is not only faster (f/2.8) but a lot lighter than the Sigma. No IS in either of those lenses, but all recent Pentax bodies have IS, which basically means that any lens I attach effectively has IS.

Examples with the Pentax: 1/60, and 1/30 respectively


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Dana


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