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Question On Sharpening.....  
User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Hi all,

I have been reading the Masterclass thread and other's on Sharpening, where a lot of people use multiple passes at the same percentage of USM, or different percentages of USM.

My question is, does everyone that uses this method Expand before each new pass, as Fergul describes in his Tutorial, if so, by how much, Fergul says by "1", is this the general rule of thumb?,......also, is this all done on the one Duplicate Layer, or are there more than one Duplicate Layer being used?

Any help on the process of this will be very much appreciated.


Thanks,
Jeff.

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User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

I use an action I made up myself by following a tutorial I once read. It goes something like this:

- Duplicate layer
- Select all and copy
- Create alpha channel
- Paste
- Filter -> Stylize -> Find edges
- Bump up the levels to get things "blacker"
- Select with the tool that is to the left (first one) where the trash can to delete layers is
- Invert selection
- Delete the channel
- Go to the duplicated layer, apply USM to your personal taste
- Select none
- Flatten image

Hope it helps!



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User currently offlineLOCsta From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 306 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5796 times:
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I haven't read the tutorial you are refering too, but each pass of sharpening should be done on its own layer so you can erase any parts from that specific layer that become over sharpened after the action is completed. Expanding or contracting the selection between layers is to prevent a noticable "line" where the sharpened areas meet the non sharpened areas.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,

Kevin



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User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Yep, that's what I do. Create the Duplicate Layer, Expand by 1 pixel. Then do my Sharpening (in my case Smart Sharpen). Basically every time now I run the eraser around the edges and fuselage to erase any jaggies, even if I don't really see any. I just always do it as routing because I hate getting a jaggie rejection. In the rare case I need more sharpening, I create another Duplicate Layer and add a little more.


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User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Thank you everyone for the information and advice!

That makes it a lot clearer for me what the process is.


Cheers,
Jeff.


User currently offlineKlemmi85 From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

One more thing...
If you don't want to worry about jagged edges, try this:

Open your original image,
duplicate Layer
apply highpass filter with 1-3px (depends on picture, just try)
set highpass layer to "soft light" within the blending modes.

To get a stronger result, just duplicate the highpass layer again until you are satisfied.

I do sharpening only that way as it doesn't come up with the jagged edges. Keep in mind that you can get halos at high contrast edges if your highpass pixel setting is to high. Depending on image size, anything more than 8-10px makes the result unusable.

If there are further questions, feel free to post.


User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Thanks Klemmi85, that is a process I have not come across!.......much appreciated.


Cheers,
Jeff.


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Hi Jeff.

A couple of ways to sharpen here

http://www.jid.me.uk/workflow/Workflow2/sharp.html

On a similar tone to some of the above.

Jid



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User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Thanks for the link Jid!......that is an excellent Tutorial.


Cheers,
Jeff.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

If you use Nikon and have Capture NX2, try the high-pass sharpening method in Capture NX2. It works very well. See the circled part in my screenshot:

http://www.totalnfs.net/cpd/images/cnx_sharpening.jpg

To use it go to:

Adjust > Focus > High Pass

It will appear on the adjustments palette. Set the blending mode to overlay. When you export to Photoshop, you'll still have some scope to apply a bit extra sharpening once you've resized down to 1280px wide or whatever you are using if you need to, without making many jagged edges.

[Edited 2009-06-27 00:34:24]

User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Thanks Cpd, but I'm actually using a Canon and its DPP and I don't think there are any similar setups like what you have shown there, but thanks a lot for the input, much appreciated!


Cheers,
Jeff.


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
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Make sure to set the sharpening layer to luminance blend mode so you don't get color fringing when sharpening...


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User currently offlineJThompson From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Thanks for the tip Dvincent!!


Cheers,
Jeff.


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