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Question About Obstructing Objects  
User currently offlineNozilla From Switzerland, joined Dec 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

I read in the rejection guide about obstructing objects. Now I have the question, whether the following picture were also rejected for this reason. Is the grass in the front too high?

http://img19.myimg.de/SwissEuropeanAirLinesRJad81f.jpg

http://img19.myimg.de/SwissEuropeanAirLinesRJf4234.jpg

http://img19.myimg.de/swissf0728.jpg

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
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Strictly speaking from a motiv perspective, none of those shots should receive a motiv rejection.

User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Hi,

Probably yes, but the second also has a very strange crop (what are you trying the show?) and the third aircraft has its tailfin cut off. You'd also get motive rejctions for that.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3552 times:



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):

I stand corrected... You're surprising me though.



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User currently offlineNozilla From Switzerland, joined Dec 2008, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Is the grass not a reason for a rejection?

User currently offlineChuck9941 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

I don't think the grass would do it alone. Having other problems with the photos is probably what did it. In addition to the crop, they all seem dark with #1 being better than the others. Also # 3 has a large dust spot that is distracting.


Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3530 times:

Well I too am very surprised that the length of the grass wouldn't lead to a motive rejection. I'm aware a little grass obscuring the wheels is OK but that is a fair bit!

They all suffer from a red cast (despite the fact that it's a red evening sky) and as Peter says the second is an odd crop unlikely to win over the screeners (in my opinion). I do quite like the third one though and perhaps with careful editing something can be done to make it accpetable here?

Karl


User currently offlineEkkaihla From Finland, joined Jun 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
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As this topic came up, I'd like to ask about one photo of mine that I've been considering to upload. This is just a quick edit I made for another forum and therefore a small size, but the bit I am wondering about is the fact that the nose gear is partly obstructed by one of the metal poles in front. Would this result in a bad motive rejection if I were to upload a bigger, more carefully edited version?

http://wingnut.1g.fi/fsn/AtsugiOB/F-14A_Tomcat.JPG



ekkaihla
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3485 times:
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With regard to obstructing objects, my most valuable lesson was learned when this shot of mine was rejected for motive...I assume because of the cone blocking the fuselage:


MyAviation.net photo:
Click here for bigger photo!
Photo © Jason McDowell



Now, I make a point to watch out for obstacles like this. I've even gotten permission to move ropes and barricades at museums to produce a clear, unobstructed shot.

2H4



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3478 times:



Quoting Ekkaihla (Reply 7):

You do get some leeway in case of preserved aircraft, since they tend to stay in the same situation. In this case, the obstruction could evidently have been avoided. I don't know if that makes a difference to the screeners.

Peter Smile



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User currently offlineAcontador From Chile, joined Jul 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
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Hi Ekkaihla,
Well, as it is, it would be rejected for motive, as you could have easily avoided one of the poles obstructing the nose landing gear just by moving very little to your right. The chain itself is not an issue as it cannot be avoided.



Just sit back, relax and have a glass of Merlot...enjoy your life!
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting Acontador (Reply 10):
Well, as it is, it would be rejected for motive, as you could have easily avoided one of the poles obstructing the nose landing gear just by moving very little to your right. The chain itself is not an issue as it cannot be avoided.

I always carry a set of steps just in case.....

Karl


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

Hope it's ok to hijack this thread, would the cable of the ground power unit which obstructs the gear door lead to a motive rejection? It can't be avoided as well...

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 749 File size: 223kb



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User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3352 times:



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 12):
It can't be avoided as well...

Of course it can... you just have to wait a while.



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
I always carry a set of steps just in case.....

It's amazing the difference as lttle as just an extra foot of height can do in these situations.

I've also learned to walk round an exhibit looking for 'legal' angles that still work. This has lead me to finding some 'motives' I would otherwise not have thought of. I still take the obstructed full side view shots for myself, I just don't upload them here.

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3300 times:



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 13):
Of course it can... you just have to wait a while.

Well, true Big grin But not always possible. Unworthy shot then, I guess.



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