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What Frustrates You Most About 'plane Photography?  
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Time for another discussion to liven things up around here.....

What things annoy you the most about our (mainly) wonderful hobby? Do you have any nemesis aircraft you just can't seem to get no matter how hard you try? Or do you find certain types difficult to photograph? Are there perhaps certain atmospheric conditions you detest?

Here are my little frsutrations...

CLOUD - Now don't get me wrong, it can add to the background, but just as the prize of the day approaches you can guarantee that gargantuan cloud is going to sit exactly where you don't want it! Fluffy cumulous and sometimes dark cumulo-nimbus can give images startling effects, and if it's fast-moving your sunny breaks are pretty much assured. My pet hate however is what I now commonly term top-sh*t - that hazy, high, slow-moving cirrus and alto-stratus that kinda ruins everything by watering down the sun for ages! Usually once it arrives it has the annoying habit of not going away! Then there's what I call the 'Expedia cloud' (that tiny, sole cloud in that expanse of blue from the advert), which is always the smallest - and normally only - cloud in the sky that's guaranteed to play havoc with your rare bird! In 2006 I was after the Mahan 320 at BHX and three weeks in a row the 'Expedia cloud' got me. Unbelievable! I gave up after third time unlucky and finally nailed the bugger at MAN - on a random evening visit when I wasn't even expecting it!

PEOPLE - Not everyone of course but those who turn up three hours later than everyone else then proceed to erect their step-ladders right in everyone's way! Also those who for some reason assume you don't know anything about aviation (or your local airport) and lecture you about what may or may not be coming in. Finally, those (mainly) at MAN around the perimeter who love dogs and think everyone else should too. Wet dogs and camera equipment don't mix! If they aren't trained or calm, keep 'em on a lead! I once had someone's mutt steal my sandwiches out of my bag! Having said that, there's one guy at MAN whose dog is pretty calm and is never bothersome.

777-300 & A340-600 - So you've got them framed as they're coming at you then when they start to get side-on you realise that you've either over or under-done the zoom because you still can't figure out exactly how bloody long they are! Most times easily-corrected but I sometimes pull out too far in anticipation then have to quickly zoom in again.

RUNWAY CHANGE - Luckily doesn't happen a lot at my local (MAN) but some places are terrible for it! BHX can be bad! Always seems to happen just as you've settled at a particular spot!

HEAT-HAZE - lots of bull surrounding the causes and distribution of heat-haze. Doesn't necessarily have to be hot or even warm - I've had it at MAN in November but have got away with it over distance at Malaga in August! DUB is a particularly bad place for it I've noticed.

So there are mine - let's have 'em.....

Karl

[Edited 2009-10-13 23:10:23]

[Edited 2009-10-13 23:11:31]

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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Thread starter):
who turn up three hours later than everyone else then proceed to erect their step-ladders right in everyone's way!

Yes, but not the ladders that I encountered recently. We had the best position of the lot, and then a family turns up and puts their chairs in front of us, and has their (friendly) dog running around, so we have to concentrate on trying not to trip over the well-meaning dog, rather than focus on our images.

And later, he who decided to go in front of us, decides to give us people attitude. We were there first.

The worst thing is no access due to construction work. This leaves Sydney photography mainly limited to "The Beach" and maybe the International Terminal. This makes for boring photos. If you are a certain favoured someone, you can get to the balcony on the air-traffic-control tower, but the rest, too bad. Thankfully, it looks like this is going to change. Until the change happens, for anyone else, it's going through the hoops and hurdles of getting special access. It's possible - but takes lots of planning.

Photographers who insist on taking photographs from out-of-bounds areas. No explanation needed. These people make it bad for everyone, and we all lose out. I won't name and shame here, but the regulars will know which photos are taken from those areas.

Heat haze: Nothing you can do about it. And A340-600s seem to be bad for it.

Quoting JakTrax (Thread starter):
that hazy, high, slow-moving cirrus and alto-stratus that kinda ruins everything by watering down the sun for ages!

That's when you drop the shutter speed, use lowest ISO sensitivity and try to do some creative things. That said however, sometimes it's just impossible because there is no contrast, typical of reasonably bright conditions, with light grey cloud. In those conditions, a white plane blends against a sky and it's impossible to get any kind of good looking photo out of that.

[Edited 2009-10-13 23:40:51 by cpd]

User currently offlineMdwalkman From China, joined Oct 2001, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

girlfriend/wife.

if you go to airport alone: She will blame you for not taking her out with you

however,

if you take her with you: She will never stay at airport for more than 2 hours



Please excuse my poor English.
User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

- People cutting holes in fences

- People swearing / shouting at airport workers because they "moved the stairs into the photo"

- People getting drunk near the airport perimeter and taking photos, cause life's a big party

- People who know it all

- People who've seen it all

- People who whine about other photographers photos because they are not what / how they like to see something, but don't even take pics themselves

---

To sum it up, people who are a pain to deal with, who give us all a baaaad name :-/

Must be the air in the valley here, but we've got tons of those.
As I said before, all about the people  Wink



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User currently offlineEpten From Macedonia, joined Sep 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

local security who think that you surely gonna shoot-down planes and kill people and/or compromise national security with your camera.

User currently offlineVishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 469 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Heat-Haze & SHhhhhitty Haze are one of the biggest problems we have in India.

Just look at these 2 photos, in the first one is more or less how it is most of the times, u cant zoom beyond 120-170mm for the fear of getting a heat-hazed milky white bull-crap shot  banghead  - The second one is during a veerrry rare morning when due to the killer summer season approaching there were WARM winds blowing in from the sea which kinda helped with the Haze for a little while.

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Besides all tht however, What Frustrates ME Most About 'Plane Photography' is the attitude of the authorities towards us, heck if they ever saw/caught us doing this we'd perhaps never be in a position to walk again & thats just beyond appalling as all this history & wonder which is aviation is lost without any visual memory.

There are hardly any photos from India pre-2007 when Me & Vivek Manvi got dSLR's.............


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Get it all out Flo.....

Amazing you brought these up, 'cos I've got stories to correspond with every one of your points! Hopefully this'll develop into a good thread!

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
- People cutting holes in fences

Bet you sometimes wish someone had though when there's something ultra-rare on the other side...  Wink

I don't mind taking advantage if I wasn't the one who cut them.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
- People swearing / shouting at airport workers because they "moved the stairs into the photo"



Never done this myself, and you're right - it's not on at all. I have however come across some very awkward and nasty airport workers. One at EMA once saw us photographing an unusual visitor and deliberately drove his van right in our way. We moved along to get out of his van's way and he laughed and again moved into our line-of-sight. We moved again - so did his van. Eventually I got frustrated and gave him an earful. He deserved it, under the circumstances.

I also remember being with a local photog at VIE when a guy in a van purposely parked in our way when the OS 777 was taxiing past. We knew he was being awkward because he too kept manouvering the van to block the view. He asked if we had cut the holes in the fence (despite apparently already knowing they'd been done ages ago and the fact that the edges were rusty!) - I called him something pretty offensive in English; and I hope he understood!

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
- People who know it all

We get lots of them at the Airport Hotel pub at the end of MAN's runway 23R. "You don't wanna fly on one of them Balkan Holidays things - they're Russian-built", I heard recently. I didn't know A320s were a Soviet design.....?

Then there was the guy who insisted that a Monarch A300 was an A310 - he wouldn't be told!

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
- People who've seen it all

Again, the pub's full of them. I remember a miserable old individual in there when I was about 14. We actually used to look up to him at one point but looking back he was a complete idiot!

Quoting INNflight (Reply 3):
- People who whine about other photographers photos because they are not what / how they like to see something, but don't even take pics themselves

Sounds like Johan, LOL!

Another hate of mine is power-hungry officials who have a habit of making up rules that don't actually exist. We get the odd little jobsworth at MAN (in the main officialdom there is fantastic) but I've learned to be polite but firm. They usually go away pretty quickly once they realise you're clued-up - often with tail between legs! You all know what I mean - "You can't stand there, it's private!". No it isn't, so mind your own business and sod off! Or the classic, "What do you think you're doing?!". With all due respect, what's it LOOK like I'm doing? How patronising! I'm doing exactly what it LOOKS like I'm doing, and it's perfectly legal here buddy!

Vent that frustration here guys and gals!

Karl


User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5848 times:



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Bet you sometimes wish someone had though when there's something ultra-rare on the other side...

Actually not Karl, because most locals lurk along a small stepladder for that purpose, or shoot through the fence, which is perfectly fine at longer focal lengths.  Smile

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
I have however come across some very awkward and nasty airport workers.

Well, not knowing your situation, if done on purpose I can see why one would be angry, but seriously, they do their job there. It is their job to move the airstairs to the aircraft asap because time is money. I just guess some photographers here are plain stupid.



Jet Visuals
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5836 times:



Quoting INNflight (Reply 7):
Well, not knowing your situation, if done on purpose I can see why one would be angry, but seriously, they do their job there. It is their job to move the airstairs to the aircraft asap because time is money. I just guess some photographers here are plain stupid.

Flo, moving steps into place is just one of those things - it's a necessity in an airport environment. The awkward guy at EMA was a security guy and derived pleasure from making it all but impossible for us to get good photo's. He didn't have to be there and was not in any way involved in preparing the aircraft for departure. In fact the aircraft was static and had engine covers on. He was just being an a**ehole!

Karl


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting Vishaljo (Reply 5):
attitude of the authorities towards us

One of my colleagues is from India, and he asked if my photos were legal. To which I responded, of course they were. I knew what he was talking about, but I can't quite understand what the reasoning behind such bizarre regulations.

Obviously, as harmless photographers we are going to do something really bad - like blow up a plane, and that's why we walk around with attention grabbing big cameras and expensive lenses, because we want to be seen by everyone and get arrested, right...  

I thank god that Sydney (and Australia in general) hasn't got to that degree of paranoia.

[Edited 2009-10-14 03:03:44 by cpd]

User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5794 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 9):
I thank god that Sydney (and Australia in general) hasn't got to that degree of paranoia.

It'd be good to have the avsec from Sydney in Auckland.. A good spotting point is right next to the fence of a runway of an Air NZ MX carpark yet they still chase you out of there.. I'm scared of them quite frankly..

So security frustrates me here in Auckland. Other things that do - the fact that I can't really get any closer to the plane and I have to use the high end of my telephoto to get close enough pictures. The clouds in Auckland are really annoying too and we get too many white planes which just blend in with the sky. I want a gear upgrade! Too bad I chose an expensive hobby. I guess the weather could be added in too.. And glass no doubt.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5784 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):
The clouds in Auckland are really annoying too and we get too many white planes which just blend in with the sky. I want a gear upgrade! Too bad I chose an expensive hobby. I guess the weather could be added in too.. And glass no doubt

I feel your pain - after all, NZ is basically the UK of the southern hemisphere! Crap weather year-round, etc.

Karl


User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2181 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5755 times:

I have a paricular dislike for people watching what you're doing. As aviation photography is a bit of an odd hobby to the average member of the public they just stare at you, intrigued as to what you're doing. If I was in their position, i'd look too, mostly to see what gear they've got  Wink But when you get that feeling someone's watching you I can't help but feel a little uncomfortable.

Another case of this is when I need to use my 80-400. It's not a small, inconspicuous lens, you get that thing out and it draws attention immediately. I've lost count of how many people have commented "That's a big lens!" or "that's an impressive bit of kit". I don't like drawing attention to myself in this case but what can you do, it's not like you can hide it!



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5752 times:

What frustrates me most about plane photography? The fact that I have not been able to get a shot accepted here so far  flamed 


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User currently offlineLhrsunriser From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 399 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5738 times:

Watching an amazing sunset/sunrise when your not near an airport with your equipment!


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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5735 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 12):
Another case of this is when I need to use my 80-400. It's not a small, inconspicuous lens, you get that thing out and it draws attention immediately. I've lost count of how many people have commented "That's a big lens!" or "that's an impressive bit of kit". I don't like drawing attention to myself in this case but what can you do, it's not like you can hide it!

LOL - you've got to try one of these one day:

Commonly mistaken for a rocket launcher...


You've never seen a commotion until you take that out of the bag and put it all together! It causes quite a big stir, trust me. Never mind the location, the reaction is always the same.

The camera and teleconverter are connected together (the teleconverter acting as a dust barrier, and to give more range), but the lens must be attached later - otherwise the whole lot is too large to fit in any normal size bag.   The whole lot is so heavy that the standard shoulder strap on the camera must be removed, and the lens' own strap used.

Fun and jokes aside, I did have one occasion where it attracted attention that I didn't want from a carload of young teenagers. I really didn't trust them at all. I packed up very quickly and went elsewhere. That's about the only really awkward moment I've had.

[Edited 2009-10-14 05:35:01 by cpd]

User currently offlineSamuel32 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Weather:
- Hazy Clouds that drain the contrast
- Fat Cumulus that get in the way. I always have my mind set that when the special will arrive there WILL be a fat cloud. With great light you can make ANYTHING look good.
- Heat Haze: Though I can often live with it knowing Winter brings better light and less haze.

People:
I'll admit I like holding conversations with others. Why not have a chat with other spotters. Sometimes I want to shoot myself when I see guys standing at the airport which act like no ones around. You can learn a lot from others. Though a lot of anti-social looking people turn out be kind.

- The "A.net are a bunch of nazis they never accept my stuff" people, it takes time, and trail and error experience. There are guys shooting with 350D's with normal glass which are over 1k shots in the database.
- The know it all with the HUGE camera bags which then pull out a small DSLR with a Kit lens...
- Bringing a (step)ladder resolves most of problems with other people that are in your way.
- People with untamed dogs, kids that starting messing with your gear. I just ask nicely the owner/parents to get them out of the way. (NICELY)
- People that empty their complete CF card into the database with boring 90* side only blue sky 737 shot. Get creative or wait for better light. Quality over Quantity. Offcourse there are airports where you have less options, so only include a few which you like.

MD-11:
My favourite aircraft. I run out of luck every single time. Mostly because of weather.

Technique:
- I zoom out too quik and miss all the close up action.

[Edited 2009-10-14 06:01:12]

[Edited 2009-10-14 06:02:29]

User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

For me probably runway changes as i cant drive and people honking and shouting "get a life" from their cars as they go by.

I like having people around me though, makes you feel more secure.

The Weather can be a bit of a pain but thats when to check the forecast before leaving, if you take a chance then expect it to become cloudy at times.


User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5650 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 8):

Flo, moving steps into place is just one of those things - it's a necessity in an airport environment. The awkward guy at EMA was a security guy and derived pleasure from making it all but impossible for us to get good photo's. He didn't have to be there and was not in any way involved in preparing the aircraft for departure. In fact the aircraft was static and had engine covers on. He was just being an a**ehole!

Indeed some airport workers are morons. Security guards here at AMS threw eaten apples at some spotters - just for some fun. Thankfully they were reported to their managers and action was taken.

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 17):
For me probably runway changes as i cant drive and people honking and shouting "get a life" from their cars as they go by.

Yes very annoying

And at AMS especially, "aviation enthusiast" who go and watch airplanes twice a year and then proceed to litter, drive and park their cars where they are not supposed to and generally get in your way.

Tim



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
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I think the number one is people who litter. Don't leave your coffee cups or snack bags behind.


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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5600 times:
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What frustrates me above all is the increasing security paranoia and the ever higher fences being built all around airports making it ever more complicated to get a decent photo of aircraft.
Just as if high fences would stop possible terrorist attacks...  Yeah sure

Thierry



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5583 times:



Quoting JakTrax (Thread starter):

I would have to agree with everything you posted, minus the "People" complaint. I have never had to deal with step ladders (yet), so the frustration in that hasn't got to me yet.

If I could add to the list though, I would like to add this to mine:

---The Lockheed L1011: This is an airplane that, up until this spring, I simply could NOT get a picture of it. No matter what I tried or what kind of sacrafice I offered up to the aviation gods above. LOL!!! Luckily I got my chance in ROW back in May to get up close to some and even go inside one. I remember stepping out of the avionics bay and into the cockpit and just taking a deep breath and having this overwhelming feeling of relief. You know the feeling. Like you need to cut the cheese and you can't, then when you do, it's like you became a new person all over again.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5578 times:



Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 17):
people honking and shouting "get a life" from their cars as they go by

It's actually them who need to get a life! Maybe they like golf. I hate it! Each to their own.

I work as a nightclub DJ which (apparently) is a pretty cool job to be in. It always shocks people when I tell them what I love to do in my spare time. "So hang on", they say, "You are like the most respected guy in the place by night, then you go and do that sad stuff in the day?!". In the end I manage to persuade them that it ain't so sad, and that secretly everyone's got a soft spot for aviation (which they have). Due to my job they tend to back off at that point!

I always think about this whenever some moron drives past hurling abuse. "I have a life, good friends, a good hobby, my own transport, my own home and a popular job you'd probably want -so what's the deal d**khead?".

People often behave in such a way when their own lives are pretty meaningless. Makes them feel better about themselves putting others down.
'Plane photography is a pretty big hobby right now and one of the fastest-growing. It's no longer made up entirely of sad, old guys in anoraks with nothing better to do. It's now full of diverse people from all walks of life, who feel good about actually being able to achieve something once in a while.

Karl


User currently offlineWhisperjet From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 567 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5559 times:
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Quoting INNflight (Reply 7):
Well, not knowing your situation, if done on purpose I can see why one would be angry, but seriously, they do their job there.

I have experienced a similar situation at a big German airport a while ago, a special plane arrived at night when it was impossible to take a picture. The local spotters who work on the ramp took some pictures shortly after sunrise and placed stairs right in front of the plane so that nobody else could take pictures from public spots. It was more than obvious that the rampers did not want anybody else to photograph the plane.

Concurence and grudge, imo the most frustrating things about aviation photography. It makes me angry to see how some people behave just to get a unique shot.

Beside I hate heat haze a lot. It's one of the most limiting factors for av. photography.

Stefan



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User currently offlineVishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 469 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5545 times:



Quoting Lhrsunriser (Reply 14):
Watching an amazing sunset/sunrise when your not near an airport with your equipment!

Oh yes, i agree with that one.
Cant tell you how much i hate that powerless feeling.


25 Dl767captain : What frustrates me is when looking at my pictures on the camera they look good then when i get home i find out they are all crap! a waste of driving a
26 Lexy : You know, I don't always believe that if a set of stairs are blocking a part of the aircraft that a picture can't be taken. I think, and this is no s
27 TupolevTu154 : I found myself standing in front of a FedEx 727 a couple of weeks ago, debating whether to take some shots because of ground equipment, knowing they
28 Spencer : People that litter and people that chimp and insist you've just got to see the best shot in the world that they've just taken.... Spence.
29 Whisperjet : It has nothing to do with a.net standards imo. There are certainly great shots where the ground equipment adds something to a photo, like that especi
30 FX772LRF : You'd probably think the same of me. I actually bought my huge bag so I could travel with my camera and laptop in one bag. It's a lot more convenient
31 Conoramoia : You should be! But honestly if that had been me 3 months ago I wouldn't have taken that shot since a.net has sort of driven in the idea of a perfect
32 Jetmatt777 : -Discovering a rare airplane is at the airport, and while driving to the airport you see it off in the distance rocketing into the sky. -Sunny when yo
33 Jaktrax : Reminds me of a young chap in the spring who turned up at MAN three hours after everybody else and decided to plonk himself and his huge Manfrotto tr
34 MHO : That would have been a great bit for a comedy show.
35 Jetmatt777 : LOL. Yes, it has SNL (Saturday Night Live) written all over it!
36 Dendrobatid : Oh what a hoot, I bet you could not stop giggling about that. I will add to the list, arrogance - enthusiasts who sneer, mock other enthusiasts who h
37 Conoramoia : It's worse when you know you can't go back because your on holidays! Usually happens to me! Good point! Nice!..... And forgot one thing, When you fou
38 JakTrax : And I still don't have a clue about digital; so what? Guess that makes all us MAN guys a**eholes for giggling then? Must be northern humour. Nothing t
39 Post contains links and images Jalap : And even worse: double fences! An illustration: View Large View MediumPhoto © Markus Adank Not just the double fence, but also the type and colo
40 Cpd : There is a location at Sydney airport, a grassy hill, looking onto runway 34L, and it's an ideal location for photographs of runway 34L in the mornin
41 JakTrax : Theose who knowingly access restricted areas and those who drop litter I consider pretty much the same. The same contempt for the airport and its auth
42 Post contains links and images HNLPointShoot : In the
43 StealthZ : Not sure about the "experts", which are more frustrating the photography or aviation experts? Had an "expert" at SYD, having just converted from film
44 JakTrax : Hmmm..... Did this come into force today? 'Cause my last acceptances with my trusty 30D were only yesterday..... Sometimes these experts just need so
45 Post contains images Silver1SWA : What a great thread. Very entertaining responses so far. To add my thoughts, these are the things that annoy me most. #1 without a doubt, HEAT HAZE. T
46 JakTrax : I met one at VIE once - he introduced himself in a rather fanfare fashion then proceeded to ignore me for the next 20 minutes, after which he left. T
47 Spencer : The 15:00 rwy switch at LHR used to be a bit of a pain when the then exotic traffic (TAM for example), was due in. One time I missed an Ariana A300 be
48 Post contains images JakTrax : Always been lucky with that switch Spence (that is, had them on the 09s)..... I guess it'll catch me out someday but so far so good..... Karl
49 EMA747 : FA's who won't even ask the captain if you can take a quite cockpit shot even though you have asked them nicely at the beginning or end of a flight. H
50 Lexy : Oh I totally understand where you are coming from on that. In some situations, I concur with you 100% that it's all about the plane and not the plane
51 747438 : Arranging to meet people at your local airport to give them a tour. Find out the best runways are in use for some great banking shots only to have the
52 Acontador : Good one Karl, and easy for me: Heat Haze and Fences!!!
53 Soon7x7 : Runway changes...
54 UnitedJumboJet : 1. Clouds. On days with cumulus clouds, they tend to block the sun right when you need the light. E.g. I've lost several shots of the PSA US A320 due
55 Dvincent : There are ways to see things on 33L without going to Hull. In either case, the nearest hunk of land is actually Long Island in Quincy.
56 UnitedJumboJet : I believe access at Long Island is restricted, so doesn't really count. And you need a very long tele to spot there anyways. And back on topic, I also
57 RHermida : Things that I hate in "Plane Photography..." 1- The poor traffic of my airport (Rio Gallegos RGL/SAWG). 2- Only two points of spotting (here), one of
58 Dvincent : That's right, the spots I was referring to are elsewhere (much closer to the airport). I have watched from a boat from around there, though... but no
59 JakTrax : I feel for your frustrations with the unusual aircraft and cloud issue. At the moment I have no nemesis aircraft (those that always come in cloud no m
60 Cvervais : Heat haze, definitely heat haze. Editing right now is frustrating as well but, that's only because I'm new to this. Once I get the hang of it I'm sure
61 Lexy : Karl, have you ever thought about a trip to ATL? I would highly recommend it to you if it's possible.
62 JakTrax : Lexy, I'm not desperate enough to chase all the way over to ATL to get them! I should be going to the States early-mid 2010 but there's so much other
63 Hotplane : BAA security moving people on for no good reason. Cloud over the sun. Special aircraft turning up late/not at all.[Edited 2009-10-17 01:02:13 by hotpl
64 Post contains images Cpd : Another one, the delivery flight of a plane, a real must have - and the conditions are cloudy and changing, with some light peering through the clouds
65 JakTrax : Ah, good old MAN syndrome..... In the words of a famous A-Ha song... "...How can it be? Believe me-ee, the sun always shines, on BA....!" And not on
66 Dazbo5 : I concur with most of what has been said, particularly with weather and it never shines when there's something special due or the BBC / Met Office for
67 Jetmatt777 : I don't have any problems with that, I found an unattended envelope with money inside shoved up next to the fence by the wind! It made the slowness o
68 Psych : The same issue that frustrates me (and thrills me) about photography generally - the lighting. Good lighting for photographs does not come that freque
69 Walter2222 : That is indeed most frustrating! Once I am out and close to the aircraft, whatever circumstances might happen, everything is just fine! Best regards,
70 Post contains images Michlis : Like the airshow at NAS Oceana this past weekend.  [Edited 2009-10-20 06:46:47 by michlis]
71 Post contains links Leezyjet : Like I did to you at TGM on Sunday !! lol www.metoffice.gov.uk and then sign up for the Aviation section (it's free) and you can get the actual Aviat
72 JakTrax : Leezyjet, Although my images here may suggest otherwise I actually have very little clue about how to use Photoshop! I just dropped on lucky with a wo
73 GST : My personal kink is flying and photographing gliders, so some of my gripes will be a little different from many here, no high fences etcetera to worry
74 Cpd : Another one - you are happily taking photos, when a couple of planes are parked near you, with their APU's running. Bye bye nice photos, hello lots of
75 Lexy : Karl I understand. Trust me, i'm basically just up the road from ATL and its been a while since I was there last. I just haven't had the motivation t
76 ThomasWarloe : What frustrates me most is when I accidentally leave my camera on the wrong settings. Ok, so I was going down to LAX to test my new camera on aviation
77 NZ107 : Or.. Hello motive rejection! Another one - light poles/pylons. Sometimes these get really annoying. Too bad we can't all hop into a helicopter and go
78 JakTrax : Do 'planes not have APUs in winter at LAX.....??? Doesn't really bother me because the problem is easily-enough avoided (99.9% of the time). The key
79 Post contains images JRadier : just one thing you can do.... pick the right photo plane... I (6'6"/1,98m) have tried both the Shemmp-Hirth Duo Discus and the ASK-21 and the backsea
80 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Having a photo miss the home page by ONE view because another passed it one minute before the page refreshed...                   ...not t
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