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Do You Also Feel Discouraged?  
User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Hey guys,

I have been uploading for roughly 10 years now. In the beginning I pretty much uploaded everything, even a take off sequence which was accepted a few hours later.

10 years later ........

I just browsed thru my database and looking for some shots worth to be processed and uploaded, based on the current upload rules and criteria.

And to be honest I feel quite discouraged to upload most of the shots.
- Panning shots at 1/15sec shot with ISO 400 or 800 (I am afraid there is too much grain in it)
- close up details or technically not perfect (I am afraid that this will be a motive rejection)
- Border line in terms of quality, still an interesting shot (as far as i am concerned)

Bottom line is that it used to be fun, but for me at least the fun is long gone.........

Anyone feels the same way?

Vasco

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6621 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
Bottom line is that it used to be fun, but for me at least the fun is long gone.........

I feel exactly the same... Used to be fun but I can't be bothered anymore. Got plenty of shots that would probably get accepted and are interesting, but a lack of time and all the issues over the past months/years haven't exactly helped my mood either.....



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User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6573 times:



Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
fun is long gone.........

Anyone feels the same way?

Yes and no.
The fun will (hopefully) always be there, I love aviation too much. But I'm guessing you mean the upload process? Well, here's the funny thing... I just had a few go on, and all of a sudden that period of feeling like I couldn't do anything "right" vanished in an instance! Hahaha, so weird. The ratio rocketed (up this time...), and it's given me hope again.
Had you asked this a week or two ago, I'd be jumping in having your back. But one thing I will say and that's that something definitely has happened around here. You can see it affecting others too, just by browsing the forum every now and again. People do have issues with A.net, it's a simple as that. And I suppose the big deal is A.net don't seem to be doing much about it.
Oh and Vas, don't worry man, I can guarantee you you're not the only one with great shots that don't match A.net's standards. Their loss mate.
Spence.



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User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
I am afraid that this will be a motive rejection

In my opinion Motive rejections do hamper the process. I can understand all the other rejection reasons (well maybe not Duplicate) however Motive is silly. When you have a nice shot but maybe some wheels are obscurred and you get a Motive rejection, that kind of thing. Everyone knows wheels are round, I don't need to see them on every photo. Expansion of allowed shots and loosening of criteria will benefit all. And no, I don't mean loosening of Quality. Vasco - I'm sure your 400 and 800 ISO are still high quality.

I can see how people can get bored with plain shots. My AA shot below is fine, but I really don't feel the need to take more of them. I don't want shots like this:


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Photo © Ronald J Stella



I would rather take shots like this:


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Photo © Sigurdur Benediktsson



And this:


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Photo © Mark Garfinkel



Or this:


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Photo © Vasco Garcia (VDG-Images)




Yes, Anet has loosened up the Creative rule a little bit it seems. But it needs to be taken further to increase views, keep people from being bored (both looking at them...hence dwindling views AND taking/shooting them). I believe there are new and old refreshing photos out there that have been rejected for motive or found to be outside the bounds of what Anet wants. But there are people that want to view these Creative shots (or Technically incorrect shots) regardless of what Anet wants...people want new and refreshing, and people want to be able to take new and refreshing shots.

I guess that leads me to the whole rejection issue, in regards to it being a deterrent to trying new things, but I don't feel like going there tonight!

I'm going to keep trying to get more and more creative myself at least, and be proud of my measely 30% rejection ratio  

Vasco - a visit to Beantown might help as well, nothing like getting back to your roots!

R

[Edited 2009-10-19 15:40:08]


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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

I don't feel discouraged as much as I feel bored. I hardly look at any photos now in the large view. I click on maybe 5 of the top 50 in a given day, and I don't look much further than that. I don't know what it is about Anet, but it is not as fun as it used to be. Shooting for me is still fun, meeting people is fun, and going to airshows etc is fun. But uploading, getting questionable rejections sometimes, seeing all the pre/post screening threads, site outages, searches not working, way lower than average views, and as Ron said "boring shots" - All those things are not fun.
-Matt



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2763 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6493 times:



Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 4):

I second what Matt said.

It is also a shame it only takes 600 or so views to make it on to the front page. Back 3 years ago when I had my first big hitter, I had 8,000 views in the first 24 hours and was still 8th or 9th in line for the homepage. And I timed out before I made it to the top.



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User currently offlineLennymuir From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2002, 434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

Hello Vasco

I think I've been around here for the last 9 years now. That's along time.
I'm not discouraged, just a wee bit wiser.

I know what you mean and I can guess pretty accurately, from what I shoot,
what will be accepted and what won't get in.
I still like try to upload an obtuse shot now and again.
Rarely is it ever a success, they're usually binned.
I hardly appeal either.
Can't recall the last time any of my appealed shots ever broke ranks.

Sad to say, I'm content enough to upload my 'safe' shots
here and send my 'marginal' shots into other unscreened websites.



Gerry


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Can't say I agree or feel that way. I would take some time off and discover that big world out there. Do some other things besides photography for a bit and come back. I do that from time to time and it keeps me fresh and always wanting to improve and take things up to the next level.

User currently offlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2092 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

I admit I sometimes get that way (3/52 obviously isn't great, but whatcha gonna do?). I agree with Ron about motive, though. I have numerous shots that have assorted airport vehicles in various positions. I think these make much more 'real' pictures, and I don't see what the problem is unless, of course, they cover up a majority of the plane. That is my main complaint with the editing process (Oh sure, there's more  Wink ).

I think the most important thing is to just be persistent.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4766 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6455 times:
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This topic comes up of from time to time, but I think for the first time we are seeing some big names jumping in and that adds some weight to the issue IMO. Airliners.net is facing a tough time right now and I hope the folks behind the scenes take notice soon.

I've been very active in my photography over the past month. Been doing some travelling and a lot of shooting. I have a lengthy backlog of images for upload, but I just haven't built up the desire to do so. I have been putting all of my effort into getting my stuff on flickr, a site where a typical image of mine only gets 20-30 views on average. I just have more fun and a lot less frustration over there...and I get a lot more comments which is something I enjoy more than hits. I can also display stuff that doesn't fit the a.net mold. Stuff that many people still enjoy viewing.

Like Vasco, I do a lot of shooting in conditions where ISO 400 or 800 is necessary. While images at ISO levels that high are often perfectly acceptable in the "real" world of photography, they stand no chance or need a ton of work in order to have the slightest chance here. The grain/noise standards here are getting way too high IMO. To have to limit yourself so much just to get something accepted here is very discouraging.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6422 times:



Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
they stand no chance or need a ton of work in order to have the slightest chance here.

Not really true. Though maybe a great camera helps - however, if you use the camera properly, you'll get great images, even at ISO1250. There are numerous examples of high ISO photographs in the database, from recent times. And it's not only a Nikon D3 / D700 monopoly. Even a hack like me can snap an image at 1/50sec and ISO1250 and get it accepted here with good detail, sharpness and low noise. You just have to know your camera really well in those conditions. You can't misjudge the exposure - it must be perfect.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
Anyone feels the same way?

Sometimes, but I keep coming back.

Maybe you need to take a break from this place and come back in a month or two with some more energy.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4766 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6414 times:
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 10):
Not really true. Though maybe a great camera helps

Some cameras will have an advantage here. Not all of us can afford super high-end cameras that boast excellent noise control at high ISOs.

Unless showing something spectacular, an image snapped and properly exposed with my 40D at ISO 1250 and up will be extremely difficult, if not impossible to get accepted here.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6293 times:

Without reading too much of this thread (my apologies if what I'm about to say has already been said) may I say that some of you seem far too obsessed with A.net? To be honest I still enjoy uploading but I'll never stop taking pictures of aircraft because I love it and do it for MY OWN satisfaction; no-one else's! I look through the day's haul and anything that takes my fancy for uploading I upload. Other stuff is either too mundane (why add another side-on Ryanair to the gazillions already in the database?!) or will potentially be subject to motive rules (which I can't be bothered to accurately decipher these days). If I deem a shot to be creative and I like it then it's a keeper for me, regardless of what A.net thinks. I know it's a good photo, and I dare say professional agencies would view it in the same way. What ain't good here is magnificent elsewhere half the time! I really wouldn't waste my time uploading anything creative here as (and I'm sorry to say) this site simply doesn't deserve to host such unique images.

An example of A.net complacency.....

I uploaded a shot of two Thomson 767-300s perfectly in line (one behind the other) waiting to enter the active at MAN. Quite a unique shot and the angles involved added to the image, however it was a bit soft on the titles so it got rejected for soft and... wait for it... common! Okay, so the aircraft might be common but not stuck in this sort of situation! So if this Thomson (Goid forbid!) was nose-diving into my house spurting flames out of the back it'd be done 'cos the 'plane's common??!!

I give up. That's why I stick to side-ons (albeit of aircraft others will hopefully find interesting)!

Karl


User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6284 times:



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
To be honest I still enjoy uploading but I'll never stop taking pictures of aircraft because I love it and do it for MY OWN satisfaction; no-one else's!

I think that was never questioned Karl!



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User currently offlineZbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

Discouraged is a strong word. Disappointed, sure, but I'm becoming increasingly disinterested. The A.net I've apparently joined is a far shot from the A.net I used to enjoy as a casual surfer. I got 3 shots up on the site. Am I glad? Well... not really... because these shots are all so average. I've submitted some great shots, and they were all rejected for whatever reasons, and I've discovered that I have very little interest in investing serious manhours plottering through Photoshop to get one pic up to whatever "standards" are supposedly being thrown around here, when I can have the same shot online in less than 15 minutes with a few standard edits with any old imagery software. Sure it won't be as glitzy or "perfect", but who cares? It's all for the love of aviation, the people, and of course, the planes.

I go where my photos are, and my photos aren't here. It's just that simple. What's worse though... I get the distinct feeling my photos aren't welcome here.

Hey! Guess what... in another sign of the times, one of the major contributors to these forums just made the Top 4 on the "other" site under his same A.net handle. Haven't been able to see yet if he submitted the pic to A.net as well, or how it's faired here.

But there you have it. The other site allows me to upload, and A.net doesn't.

Where do you think I'm headed?


Cheers again all.


User currently offlineG38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6112 times:
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When I joined Anet, about a month ago it was really fun. I have yet to get a picture accepted. They keep telling me that there is digital noise in my photos, but then I look around the website and find tons of pictures that are not rare and are filled with digital noise. By now the fun has all but disappeared, and I am considering canceling my membership. I think we all have pictures that should be uploaded that get rejected. It is as Spencer already said, their loss.

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4766 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6109 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
Without reading too much of this thread (my apologies if what I'm about to say has already been said) may I say that some of you seem far too obsessed with A.net? To be honest I still enjoy uploading but I'll never stop taking pictures of aircraft because I love it and do it for MY OWN satisfaction; no-one else's

Karl,

I think everyone has made the point that they still enjoy the hobby. I think the best way describe how people are feeling about uploading here is they are becoming disinterested. So it's not an obsession with this place, it's quite the opposite.

Uploading here isn't as rewarding as it used to be.



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User currently offlineTimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 65
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
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I have periods when I don't shoot at all and periods when I am really in to it. Has very little do with a.net or any site...

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6021 times:



Quoting G38 (Reply 16):
I think we all have pictures that should be uploaded that get rejected

This is very subjective and depends. No disrespect with you being pretty new but there is a difference between an image that intentionally goes against A.net's rejection reasons (motive and level spring to mind with some creatives) and one which accidentally and carelessly falls foul of them.

There are a lot of folks here who think it's their God-given right to get images accepted (not by any stretch suggesting this is you) no matter how imperfect they are, and these people rarely see (or want to see) faults in their work. If an image is dirty, blurry, bad colour or bad contrast then rightfully it should be rejected - unless of course there is a creative reason for the 'fault'. Many creatives rejected here unfortunately fall foul of these 'laws' which were originally adapted for profile (i.e. side-on) shots which simply showed the full aircraft and its livery. Where these 'laws' came from is subject for conjecture but it's generally believed to have stemmed from slide-shooting methods.

Now having such a profile shot with a completely unlevel horizon and a terrible cast is unaccpetable - however take a shot from an odd angle in strangle light and both unlevel and colour casts can actually enhance the image, if you see where I'm coming from.

In every thread this disheartening feeling is becoming apparent; highlighting the need for purposely creative (and not necessarily opportunistic) images to be treated and screened differently to what are obviously just profile shots. Telling the two apart shouldn't be too hard.

Karl


User currently offlineRonS From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
highlighting the need for purposely creative (and not necessarily opportunistic) images to be treated and screened differently to what are obviously just profile shots. Telling the two apart shouldn't be too hard.

OK along these lines, if you simply increased the quality to the baseline DSLR technology on the three older shots above (remove grain / noise for example's sake) would they be "accepted" through the screening process now? I am VERY eager to know the answer to this.

I find myself looking at these "old" shots often, and think of them as new and refreshing. However I then look at the date, and realize they are old and not new. Were they before the time of screening? I feel they capture more the spirit of aviation and photography combined then my plain (but sharp and high quality) AA 757 side one above. There is a valid point to documenting aircraft through photography (sort of like my AA shot), but to inspire people we need more creative shots, off center and not technically correct, but beatiful all the same. I think that is what people want to see, I know I do.

There is a ton of talent on this site, both new and old. Alot more talented than I. I just hope that those shots above would still make it in today's anet, because I believe that is what people want more of, and that they inspire people to take them and to look at them.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
I have been uploading for roughly 10 years now.

That is a long time and I give you alot of credit. There is not much I have been doing for ten years straight.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
And to be honest I feel quite discouraged to upload most of the shots.

Well, you have a ton of fans out there, so get them uploaded.  

Ron

[Edited 2009-10-20 14:01:48]


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User currently offlineG38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
No disrespect with you being pretty new but there is a difference between an image that intentionally goes against A.net's rejection reasons (motive and level spring to mind with some creatives) and one which accidentally and carelessly falls foul of them.

I whole heartedly agree with you. They state pretty clearly that you should not upload something which you know will be rejected.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
There are a lot of folks here who think it's their God-given right to get images accepted (not by any stretch suggesting this is you) no matter how imperfect they are, and these people rarely see (or want to see) faults in their work.

I have only about 40 pictures in my library that I consider worthy of upload. At this point I would be happy to see just one of them get accepted. One problem I have with some of them is that now they are requiring the airport code and in a few cases I do not have this information.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4766 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
Quoting G38 (Reply 16):
I think we all have pictures that should be uploaded that get rejected

This is very subjective and depends.

This site rejects images that would in most other cases be perfectly acceptable in the photography world. As I try to grow as a photographer, I become less interested in keeping myself restricted to the bounds of airliners.net's criteria. That is not a complaint. I am not bitching about the standards here, it's just something that is contributing to my increasing lack of interest in putting forth the effort.



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User currently offlineG38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5952 times:
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You can argue one way or another about how strict the screeners are, but one thing I think we should not is that you do have to draw the line somewhere or the website will become like its sister site, myaviation.net, where your chances of finding a given photo are zero. In doing so some good pics will be rejected, but even more bad pics will be kept out.

User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

Again, why do you people not just upload your shots if you know they are stretching the rules, but MAY have a chance?!

I feel like most people here are just sticking to the status quo because they literally are AFRAID of seeing their acceptance ratio drop. I really don't get that.

I haven't uploaded here in more than a year now, but my acceptance ratio is 48%, and used to be 90something a few years back. Still, who cares??

For me it would be a lot more refreshing to get one out of 10 photos in which bends the rules rather than not try at all.

And just for the record, there's plenty of photos in the DB which are "against" said rules simply because they work. No, I won't plug my Falcon 900 shot...  Wink



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User currently offlineG38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5930 times:
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Being that I am a new member I only get 2 uploads at a time, and since the screening process takes so long (understandably) I only upload my best. I need to maximize those 2 precious uploads.

25 Silver1SWA : May I ask why you have stopped uploading here? Just so we are clear, I am not afraid to upload anything. That is not what this is about. My acceptanc
26 NicolasRubio : Another thing that discouraged me was getting my first Photographer's Choice and only seeing it in the homepage for a couple of hours because some peo
27 G38 : It is too bad your picture was only up for a couple of hours. When I joined I guess I expected that they would be a little less picky.
28 LOCsta : Does # of stars effect how long an image is on the home page? I have always been curious as to how PC works, but have no clue.... For me the main jus
29 Silver1SWA : I thought the winner of Photog's Choice holds the spot for 12 hours with two winners getting the spot ever day. Has it changed?
30 Dvincent : Photographer's choice should stay up for 12 hours. Only two PC get picked per day (once every 12 hours). change CET for PST, that's never been update
31 G38 : You got it there. I do not see the grandness of seat backs. I would rather view the rest of the plane.
32 ThomasWarloe : Well, I've only gotten two pictures onto the site, so I have not started feeling bored with taking/uploading shots to a.net yet. I enjoy the thrill of
33 G38 : You uploaded for a year and you are not discouraged?!! Now that is patience. My compliments to you. I would just be happy to see one of my pics get in
34 ThomasWarloe : Well, I do have to admit that before I got pictures on here, I was somewhat discouraged. However, ever since I got my first picture on here, I am not
35 Cpd : That's very low. We badly need a way of seeing who is rating our photos, so that we can have people who do those kinds of deliberately negative ratin
36 NIKV69 : It took me a yaer and half. Sure I felt discouraged a bit but how are you going to improve if you use it as an excuse.
37 Cpd : Exactly right. And it's improving those rejected photos to the point where they are acceptable that improves your ability to get photos accepted firs
38 Zbot69 : Hey Florian, excellent shots man! Nice collection you've put together. Fantastic work, really top notch. About your comment... you're right. I'm all
39 Alevik : Hi Martin. Wondering if you were previously uploading under a different name? I was interested in checking out the creative shots that were rejected,
40 Zbot69 : Hi Alevic! Thx for checking! 75% acceptance ratio?! Woop woop! Thx man. I'm stoked. Ha ha ha... nah, it's just me. The other rejections have all disap
41 Psych : A very important point Chris - it seems some people go around purposely voting a photo down with a '1', which seems potentially open to abuse to say
42 INNflight : Exactly what I've felt. That's why I stopped. I won't go into details why otherwise I get yet another post deletion. :-/
43 Fly-K : I've had my ups and downs as most others have too, but still, after a trip with new photos, I'm still excited to upload them. Maybe the "magic" of the
44 Apgphoto : Vasco, I have been around as long as you have (although with a little break!) I can see where your coming from, if I look at my personal shots that I
45 IL76 : I basically don't have anything to upload different from stuff I have already uploaded. I mean: I can go to AMS, stand next to the runway and take hun
46 Raedervision : I NEVER take an aviation photograph for airliner's. I take an aviation photograph for me. My idea of what the photograph should be. If some of them fi
47 JakTrax : I agree 100%, but they have to be of a certain technical merit. When I say this I mean they must be in focus, free of dust, etc. Any fault that looks
48 TimdeGroot : That is a bug, which sadly has not been picked up by DM.... As for feeling discouraged because of acceptance ratios, I just can't understand that. Th
49 NIKV69 : Hope you change your mind Flo, Your shots in the winter are awesome.
50 AKE0404AR : Let me get one thing straight...I was not whining in any way, i just wanted to get a feel what others think and it seems that i am not the only one ou
51 ThierryD : I believe discouragement may also have a lot to do with what you expect from A.net. The site has its rules with all the good and the bad that results
52 Silver1SWA : Look at who started this thread...someone who has obviously accepted and has played by the rules for 10 years. But for some reason motivation is slip
53 PUnmuth@VIE : Being around for a bit more than 9 years as a uploader and a few of them as member of the screening team i think its not so about being discouraged. I
54 Eadster : If discouraged, then have a break. Don't go near aircraft, this site or anything related for however long it takes till you work things out. I did it
55 JakTrax : If you stay away from an aircraft just because you find the going here either tough or just plain tedious here lately then you are in this for the wr
56 Eadster : Different things work for different people. It's got nothing to do with wrong or right reasons
57 JakTrax : My opinion is that if people are doing the hobby solely for A.net then it's a sad state of affairs. For me (and many others) my heart has been in it
58 Dendrobatid : Peter I don't think that happens. There was recently a suggestion that it might happen, it was said openly here, but that was a mistake by a screener
59 Cpd : Hi Martin - like your TSV photos. Pity I had a 11:00am flight on the Sunday, looks like the open-day was quite good. You know what, Martin is right.
60 JakTrax : I dunno. I just love heading off to an airport when I'm bored, irrespective of whether I shoot or casually watch. In fact I go when I need a break fro
61 NicolasRubio : In my case, that I make money out of this beautiful hobby, there's much more behind newsworthy images than having the first shot in A.Net. Being the
62 TimdeGroot : I reckon the ones that uploading the interesting shots here could care less about their acceptance ratio really Tim
63 JakTrax : I see your point and there are arguments for and against. While I'm not the sort to dash off home 5 seconds after getting a newsworthy shot (I'd rath
64 Photopilot : Bingo!!!! I simply can't be bothered with the nonsense (IMHO) here when it comes to uploading unless I'm in a particulary crazy mood. Only bothered t
65 NicolasRubio : Neither am I... I take my laptop and upload images on the spot!
66 JakTrax : Eaxctly what I was trying to say, in a round-a-bout kind of way. Now that's just cheating!
67 Dvincent : C'mon, Karl, you don't have a WiFi grip yet?
68 Codeshare : Back in the film days, I used to rush, develop and scan quickly when something interesting arrived and then after coming back home process and upload.
69 JRowson : I can't say that Anet has discouraged me from shooting. Yes, it's damn difficult to get shots on these days and I have to be picky about what I upload
70 Dazed767 : I remember giving you tips back in the day when I was a screener haha (WN triple crown?). But I agree, uploading has lost it's appeal. I still enjoy
71 Mjlewis : I most definitely did not read this whole thread, however I am discouraged. But, it's ok, because a lot of my shots, I know that a lot of people would
72 Eadster : Thanks Chris! The open day was ok, but of course getting decent shots with no people in the way was a challenge. But you didn't really miss anything
73 Silver1SWA : I don't think this topic is about being discouraged from shooting at all period. I think it is very clear that we shoot for ourselves, for the love o
74 Post contains images Cpd : I could see the crowd from the terminal. You probably saw my plane take off (VH-VXB, Yananyi Dreaming) with the fire in the background. Back to the t
75 Apgphoto : I thought he was... so what happened Vasco??? Peter all us old hands have been screeners haven't we? I remember you were Peter "the machine" screener
76 Eadster : One thing that is discouraging me currently is damn common rejections. I think that "common" should only be in place for those that upload many of the
77 JakTrax : That is a very good point! What's common to someone else perhaps isn't to me. The An-225 I'd say isn't common, especially seeing as there's only one
78 Eadster : Yeah only reasonI mentioned it as I recently went on a trip to Singapore. I had some time set aside to go to the airport, and was amazed at the traffi
79 Cpd : I've never seen the AN-225. And I've only seen the AN-124 a couple of times, and, never got it on film or memory card for that matter. They both migh
80 Aussie18 : Ive been monitoring this thread aswell & thought Id chip in. I took most of 2008 off from Aviation photography,I think I went to the airport about 5 t
81 JakTrax : I personally have never understood the common rejection. If it's not up to A.net standards then is it not pretty irrelevant? Is it not irrelevant anyw
82 Aussie18 : Karl,I recall screening your Thompson 767 on its first attempt,The Thompson titles were very soft & still soft on 2nd attempt,The aircraft was common
83 Codeshare : Yes, but even then 'common' is very likely to be issued. What a photographer thinks is interesting, will not always look like it from the screeners'
84 Psych : Actually that would discourage me Karl! I very rarely get to photograph any aircraft other than at Manchester. I have various reasons for uploading t
85 JakTrax : Mark, No big deal but the common rejection seemed absolutely poinless. Common 'planes in uncommon situations (and I don't mean at airports they don't
86 Psych : Karl. I do see the point you are trying to make. If we take the examples of the Singapore 777s we see at MAN, I probably have multiple images in the d
87 JakTrax : Paul, Likewise I see your point. Like I say, swings and roundabouts. I think different angles and lighting (as long as they're different enough) are f
88 Sulman : I still shoot, but I don't upload here that much. A.net can be a hassle, and I don't get that much enjoyment out of the process, but I still view a lo
89 Psych : Hello James - nice to see you here. Maybe we can start a petition . Paul
90 Eadster : Still discouraging though isn't it? I mean, say a KLM 747 visits my airport. KLM aircraft in Australia is pretty rare. It gets rejected for "common"
91 Scooter : I think I started feeling discouraged back in 2004 or so...I've been a member here since 1999, and I just sort of fell out of the hobby for a bit. Thi
92 Aussie18 : Karl, It wont get knocked for common but it will get knocked for other reasons & common will be included to give extra guidance about the standards r
93 JakTrax : I wouldn't like to witness such an event either but I had to use this example to get my point across as it seems you weren't quite getting it. I see
94 Whisperjet : You should never forget that the site was not only created to give photographers a place to dump their cards. We also aim to keep the database intere
95 Kukkudrill : I've always understood the common rejection (accompanying another rejection reason) as meaning "your photo isn't that bad but there are already a lot
96 TimdeGroot : Exactly, common should never be given as a reason alone. If that happens please appeal. It's certainly not useless. It pervents so-so shots from comm
97 Dvincent : Either the image is HQ or it isn't. If the quality isn't there, then it isn't there, regardless of how many images are in the DB. Then you have to ma
98 Eadster : Yeah that is damn good news. Good move taken there.
99 EZEIZA : yet since the creative shots began, many times we have no idea of what will be rejected since it's subjective to the screener's opinion (s) About the
100 NIKV69 : No because it is you that has it stuck in his head that this site's agenda is to destroy photogs confidence. Which of course is total hogwash. The do
101 Zbot69 : Considering this was the one single issue I've been harping about in my few posts to the forum this is tentatively exciting news. IF the new system i
102 Dvincent : I'm sure once the details are ironed out there'll be a formal announcement with all the fixins.
103 RonS : True, and this thread has become a train wreck that I can't stop looking at
104 EZEIZA : What do you know what the viewer wants? maybe a KLM at SYD is not common even if the reg has tons of pictures, and many viewers can get curious to se
105 JakTrax : And there I was thinking we were discussing the common rule... The term 'bull in a china shop' ring any bells? Looks like my point is slowly getting
106 NIKV69 : It is a shame. I wish the Mods would delete them. Rant threads always just degenerate into this every time. Simple to understand except for the users
107 JakTrax : Oh, and every other photog is of course over the moon these past 12 months eh? Things are wrong, period. You can wander around pretending everything'
108 Silver1SWA : Karl I think you missed Tim's point. I believe his comments are in total agreement with yours. A rare, unique "creative" shot of a common aircraft is
109 EZEIZA : the decrease in views, this thread, and several threads over the last year or so seem to prove otherwise. The site thought that the acceptance ratio
110 NIKV69 : Not sure what you mean but check alexa.com. This site gets tons more traffic than any other site of it's kind and is way ahead of the other site. It
111 Cpd : This discussion has really gone stale. It's now turned into a public slanging match between two people. The only reason I check it (and the other what
112 RonS : Yes, agreed.
113 NIKV69 : Actually the fact that photogs feel discouraged and the subsequent mindset that it's the site's fault because of the level of photo that is accepted
114 Post contains images Cpd : Oh I many alternatives indeed. But unlike some, I don't really put any effort into this craft. Because if I didn't take photos of planes, I'd probabl
115 PUnmuth@VIE : Good to see the upload limits changed[Edited 2009-10-29 00:31:34]
116 Helmat : Interesting read here! I don't have that many pictures in the database so far, but most of them are MY favorite pictures. Concerning photography I've
117 Mclaudio : Yeap! Another one here. I only saw this thread today, but a few weeks ago there was a rather similar one about the hits on the photos and conclusions
118 Pilotalltheway : Thats's right Karl, couldn't have said it better myself. You take the shot for YOUR pleasure, not A.net's. Remember, you come BEFORE a.net, the shot
119 JakTrax : My post to which you refer was not in response to Tim's post - Tim's was concurrent. My post was in response to Mark's, as my point seemed to be wand
120 EZEIZA : check the views. Now a pic gets on the front page with 800 views. Yes, this site is still way ahead the other site, but the gap is closing compared a
121 Eadster : Always does once Nik shows himself....
122 JakTrax : Well after just having had a thread deleted for 'childish behaviour' I really am wondering about this! Anyone who read it will know which one I mean.
123 Post contains images NIKV69 : This would be believable but then why are you here? If you are so put off by how they do things here why don't you go shoot something else? This "tak
124 JakTrax : Pardon me but I like to upload here because I want to document some interesting aircraft and I also enjoy the challenge presented. I'm not bothered p
125 NIKV69 : Well you could if you visited alexa.com and looked at the facts. If you want to exploit the notion that because of the site graphics and screening th
126 JakTrax : I aren't that bored. It's irrelevant to me. If A.net goes down the pan I'll jump ship - it's as simple as that! And I'm sure others would follow in d
127 Lennymuir : I replied # number 6. I've got a bit of a sore head trying to follow all of the tangents. I used to chat a lot in this forum many years ago. (Edipic)
128 Post contains links and images Ghajdufi : Hello guys, I've been following this thread as much as my spare time lets me following it. Very interesting topic and many even more interesting repli
129 JakTrax : HGabor, I don't particularly like shots like this (in fact cabins are my pet hate!) but I think as the site reaches out to a broader audience images l
130 Post contains links Ilovebelugas : yeah me too I really want to get involved in aviation photography- I'm still a teenager, but every photo has been rejected. it is really not encoragin
131 NicolasRubio : Are you discouraged by that? Jeez, I'm almost sure you didn't see that guy walking on the ramp... oh, with an airplane behind it! This discouragement
132 Ghajdufi : Karl, as you might have noticed already, I am not so crazy about those either from photography point of view. BUT they are hardcore aviation photos a
133 NIKV69 : Again pay attention to the first letter in each of those sentences. As we get more opinions from selfish, disgruntled photogs. Way to slag and insult
134 NicolasRubio : Of course they can Nicholas! And most probably they will... they will continue to delete posts and sensor the truth. This is starting to get a little
135 NIKV69 : Truth? A photog who took a great shot who has made it to the home page and probably will go TOD has had his shot dragged into this tiresome rant. Tha
136 EZEIZA : rants or suggestions? as you can see, some of the "rants" have been addressed and modified by the crew. The point is, criticism can be constructive,
137 Ghajdufi : Perhaps you could just read on and not stop at the first letter. No offense, but I simply expressed my taste and in the next sentence I even admitted
138 Jalap : Well, I did and this confirms that the "problems" have little or nothing to do with the site policy towards its members and photographers. After all,
139 RonS : Karl, I can't say it was childish behavior, but we really didn't need a new thread like that. It seemed a little "world is coming to an end" and I ca
140 JakTrax : Oh Nik this really is getting like a playground! If you don't have something constructive to add to Vasco's thread why bother? Unless your grasp of E
141 Ghajdufi : The problem I see with this, Karl, is that if the viewers are only viewers and not contributors while the contributors are getting discouraged by the
142 NIKV69 : The same thing as a year ago, two years ago, three years ago etc. A growing DB of photos. You all really need to take into account everyone who visit
143 EZEIZA : but the thing is that if there are numerous unhappy photogs (i.e. contributors) , then we have a problem that should be fixed. A.net is composed of s
144 Jalap : Currently 636 views to make the top 5 of the day! This started abruptly just 2 months ago. Everything discussed here are processes that should take ye
145 JakTrax : How can you be so overly sure? How can you without doubt draw this conclusion when the rest of us are clearly a bit in the dark? Whatever it is is ir
146 WakeTurbulence : I've become convinced that more than 1 hit was registered with 1 view in the past. I think it now has simply been fixed. -Matt
147 INNflight : I actually was plesantly surprised to see it here and liked it. That's the great part about photography isn't it? Some things work for one, while oth
148 JakTrax : Aaaargh! I'd go nuts not shooting for weeks on end! Other people take a break from 'planes and do other stuff, whereas I take a break from other stuf
149 Silver1SWA : I am convinced that damage has been done as a result of the events that have taken place over the past two years. We are still seeing the effects IMO.
150 Srbmod : At this point, the discussion has run its' course and is being locked.
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