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Pre-screening-soft (spompert)  
User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

I had a photo rejected for being soft.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20091022_i1255809702.4305dhl.jpg

Now I have sharpened it more. What do you think, is it better? I have uploaded it again and hope it will pass.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/t1256416630.8649dhl.jpg

Stefan

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User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4258 times:
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Quoting Spompert (Thread starter):
What do you think, is it better?

Quality is not better unfortunately, as the sharpening you have applied is easy to see in the jaggies that are now appearing all over. You can see them in the red cheat lines, the gear, the leading edge of the wing, etc...

You're going to have to do a better job at selective sharpening, i.e. sharpening only the areas that need it, and not the areas where it will show up most obviously.

I don't think there's much point in keeping your new version in the queue.

Dana


User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4226 times:

Thanks for your feedback. It is only that I don't really see these jaggies. Do you think the first one hasn't them? And wich parts need sharpening? Do you think there is a posibility that I can fix the first photo anyway?

Thanks
Stefan


User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4218 times:
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Quoting Spompert (Reply 2):
It is only that I don't really see these jaggies

Really? Look at the three red lines that run along the fuselage. Notice how they are not smooth, but rather look like blocks linked together? Those are jaggies. Look at the wheels, notice how they are not round and smooth, but also have a very block-like appearance? Those are jaggies. Notice how the letters 'DHL' do not have a fine border, but are also very blocky? Those are jaggies. Basically all over the place.

Quoting Spompert (Reply 2):
Do you think there is a posibility that I can fix the first photo anyway?

It's not looking very good now, but without seeing the original, I can't say if it's because the original is of low quality (i.e. not possible to fix) or because of your editing (possible to fix).

Dana


User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Thank you. I have some trouble seeing the jaggies on all the parts you say they are. I am not used to look at photos that close. This was the original how I took it. I only cropped it and resized it to 1200x800.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/pompie79/original.jpg

Are there any jaggies in this one already? For me the quality was pretty good but I can understand for more experienced photographers it can be different. Please let me know if it is fixable. Any advice is welcom, thanks.
Stefan


User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4205 times:
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Quoting Spompert (Reply 4):
I am not used to look at photos that close.

if you want to get some photos accepted here, you'd better get used to it!

Quoting Spompert (Reply 4):
This was the original how I took it. I only cropped it and resized it to 1200x800.

By original I meant before re-sizing. That way we can see where the sharpness problem is - with the original or your edits.

Quoting Spompert (Reply 4):
Are there any jaggies in this one already? For me the quality was pretty good but I can understand for more experienced photographers it can be different.

This one has fewer jaggies than before, but it is soft. The problem is sharpening the proper areas enough that they look good, but not the areas where that sharpening will be obvious, like the red lines and gear mentioned before. It's a fine balance, and will take some time to master. The quality of your shot is ok, but it may be too soft for here. We will need to see the original (before re-sizing) to know for sure.


User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Here is the original.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/pompie79/IMG_1570.jpg

I have to admit it is not that sharp but I tought that when you resize it you won't notice this so much. But can this be the problem for the softness? Or do I have to sharpen some parts first and then resize it? Thanks Stefan


User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4192 times:
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Quoting Spompert (Reply 6):
I have to admit it is not that sharp

Actually, that's not bad, so the problem is with your editing. Did you re-size at all? You use a 40D, so the dimensions should be 3888 x 2592, but this photo is only 2031 x 1354. You either cropped already or re-sized it. If you cropped it, that's part of the problem, as you've had to crop a lot off the full-frame. It might be possible to edit this to acceptable standards, but that will depend on your skills (yes some sharpening will be required). If you have re-sized it, start with the full (3888pix) version.


User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Finnaly I achieved in placing the original photo on a photosharings site. Here you can see the original. Please give some advice. Is this photo fixable? Stefan

http://www.mijnalbum.nl/GroteFoto-RTHLVJHJ.jpg


User currently offlineConoramoia From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4145 times:

I did a bit of an edit,
I taught this 1024 pix picture looked slightly better for light and contrast.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4536/grotefotorthlvjhj.jpg


Regards


Conor


User currently offlineJmrebes From Spain, joined Apr 2009, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4143 times:

Good job, Conor ! But I can see some grain now in the plane's belly, on the right. It isn't?

Jose



Jose M. Rebes
User currently offlineDlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4140 times:
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Quoting Spompert (Reply 8):
Is this photo fixable? Stefan

Yes, your original should be of good enough quality, I just think you need to work on your editing. Be careful with the sharpening, and make sure you get rid of the colour cast (red) that is present. You should be able to get it accepted with a good edit.


User currently offlineSpompert From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4131 times:



Quoting Conoramoia (Reply 9):
I did a bit of an edit,
I taught this 1024 pix picture looked slightly better for light and contrast.

Thanks a lot, but is this photo not a bit soft as well? I still find it hard to see when a photo is good and when not.

Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 11):
Yes, your original should be of good enough quality, I just think you need to work on your editing. Be careful with the sharpening, and make sure you get rid of the colour cast (red) that is present. You should be able to get it accepted with a good edit.

Thanks, it is good te hear that I made a photo that can be accepted after editing. I'll try it again.


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