AviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 8 Posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Hi guys,
just recieved an email from the airliners.de admin who wrote that he could find a site where on of my pics is published. There are some things changed and I´m not sure if they are allowed to do it? Please take a look! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
Fredrik Hjort From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1086 times:
If it is your shot that they publish without permission it's illegal... I noticed that it says "BerlinJet" as source of the image so I recommend you to contact the site and ask where they got the image from - maybe the airline is "using it" as PR, then it's even worse!?
AviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
Hi,
thanks for your replies. It´s the fact that they changed some things that makes me uncertain.
However, it is my pic and they didn´t aks for permission.
Wietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 57 Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
It is illegal if the picture was copyrighted and no written permission was given by the copyright-holder (Ivica Ramljak). Because the picture was altered (different c/s) the offense is even greater. Aside from the pic being used without permission (1 illegal action) the pic was also altered and was given an INCORRECT source. If i recall that is called purgery.
As a result, the counter for offenses on this matter is now on 3.
It IS definately illegal and the producers of the website should be pointed out to this and they should be charged (if you want to get money for the pic) Or, if you do not want to recieve a payment, the picture should be removed from the website.
Wietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 57 Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1019 times:
I've been doing some comparing, it IS an altered version of your original. The following things are indicators:
The Delta MD11 on the background, the bird (?) in the grass (left front) and in general the environment. You can also see the marks Paintshop left on the fusalage (where the new c/s was applied)
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 55 Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1030 times:
Ivica,
send them an email and attach the two pics (your original and their theftjob)- tell them that they must pay you market rate or your lawyer will be in touch with them and you will expose this all over the internet that they are stealing poor peoples pictures in order not to pay- that should wake em up.
Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3120 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 893 times:
Funny that they bother to do such a photo themselves.
I would also think that the guys who plan to set up the airline would maybe choose a more colorful livery.
Konstantin
Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 882 times:
common rate for using a shot if no permission is asked first is TWICE current market rate.
Once for the use, and once again for the trouble of going after them.
If you want to do further business with them, it is of course prudent to be lenient in case of a first offense
Airways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 866 times:
Just an idea: Perhaps it wasn't FTD who stole the picture. It's also possible that they got it from Berlinjet or the people who intend to start up this airline.
Perhaps they have taken the picture from airliners.net and put their livery on it to give it to the press.
I think this would make more sense. And FTD would be right by quoting Berlinjet as source. They just didn't know that the pic was from airliners.net.
Carmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 765 times:
Students? What students? You mean the picture was done by students? If it was, don't expect much in compensation from them then. The courts are usually quite sympathetic towards students in such cases.
If not, it's a clear case of copyright infringement. I don't understand German, but if they've stolen your intellectual property, by all means, go get seek legal counsel. You should win this hands down.
PUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 55 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 763 times:
I thin Konstantin was refering to the fact that the two so called CEOs of ths wanna be airline are students and are about i think 23 yrs or something like that.
Peter
Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3120 posts, RR: 53 Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 744 times:
Yes, Peter is right, that's what I meant.
23 year old and airline CEO's... Hey, I'll turn 30 next year, and who knows, Juergen Weber is retiring in 2003 and I might be his successor!
Konstantin
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Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 34 Reply 24, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 736 times:
Ivica, thanks for posting the picture. I don't have anything to add to the fact, that this is you pic, and BTW not very good manipulated.
What can I say. It's annoying, and I for one would do everything to squezze as much as I could get out of those wannabes. If aircraft photographing is your hobby - as it is mine - , then you don't rely on any customer, as for example Berlin Air.
Try to get at least some free tickets, but above all, try to get all the facts together.
Gerardo
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