AviationIvi From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 777 posts, RR: 8 Posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
just recieved an email from the airliners.de admin who wrote that he could find a site where on of my pics is published. There are some things changed and I´m not sure if they are allowed to do it? Please take a look! Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!
Fredrik Hjort From Sweden, joined Apr 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
If it is your shot that they publish without permission it's illegal... I noticed that it says "BerlinJet" as source of the image so I recommend you to contact the site and ask where they got the image from - maybe the airline is "using it" as PR, then it's even worse!?
Wietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1252 times:
It is illegal if the picture was copyrighted and no written permission was given by the copyright-holder (Ivica Ramljak). Because the picture was altered (different c/s) the offense is even greater. Aside from the pic being used without permission (1 illegal action) the pic was also altered and was given an INCORRECT source. If i recall that is called purgery.
As a result, the counter for offenses on this matter is now on 3.
It IS definately illegal and the producers of the website should be pointed out to this and they should be charged (if you want to get money for the pic) Or, if you do not want to recieve a payment, the picture should be removed from the website.
Wietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 56 Reply 6, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
I've been doing some comparing, it IS an altered version of your original. The following things are indicators:
The Delta MD11 on the background, the bird (?) in the grass (left front) and in general the environment. You can also see the marks Paintshop left on the fusalage (where the new c/s was applied)
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
send them an email and attach the two pics (your original and their theftjob)- tell them that they must pay you market rate or your lawyer will be in touch with them and you will expose this all over the internet that they are stealing poor peoples pictures in order not to pay- that should wake em up.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1098 times:
common rate for using a shot if no permission is asked first is TWICE current market rate.
Once for the use, and once again for the trouble of going after them.
If you want to do further business with them, it is of course prudent to be lenient in case of a first offense
Carmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 981 times:
Students? What students? You mean the picture was done by students? If it was, don't expect much in compensation from them then. The courts are usually quite sympathetic towards students in such cases.
If not, it's a clear case of copyright infringement. I don't understand German, but if they've stolen your intellectual property, by all means, go get seek legal counsel. You should win this hands down.
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 33 Reply 24, posted (11 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Ivica, thanks for posting the picture. I don't have anything to add to the fact, that this is you pic, and BTW not very good manipulated.
What can I say. It's annoying, and I for one would do everything to squezze as much as I could get out of those wannabes. If aircraft photographing is your hobby - as it is mine - , then you don't rely on any customer, as for example Berlin Air.
Try to get at least some free tickets, but above all, try to get all the facts together.
dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
25 AviationIvi: Hello! Gerardo: forget the free tickets! I´m not interested in flying with them! I´m in contact with my lawyer. We have all proofs collected, and I
26 Aviasian: I once saw my shot of the African Star Boeing 747-300 in a premier aviation magazine . . . for which permission was neither asked for nor granted. I w