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User currently offlineChuck9941 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Since there have been a few subjective posts lately I might as well add another.

I like the photo don't get me wrong but the photo of the A-300 Super Transporter just seems like it should have received a distance rejection. I know such an issue is subjective and I understand the motive of having the contrails but they just don't seem to add anything to the photo to me and it just seems like there is a lot of dead space. It just seems like part of the reason its on TOD is partly because the aircraft is so small in the frame that you give it a hit just to see what it is. Again nothing against Denis.

Thoughts?

Ironically by posting this I'm probably going to be helping to increase the hits as well.


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Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
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User currently offlineDamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5019 times:



Quoting Chuck9941 (Thread starter):
Ironically by posting this I'm probably going to be helping to increase the hits as well.

As it already has 16k hits I dont think it matters...
Plenty of shots like this already in the DB...theres nothing wrong with it. Its a great shot and should be in the Db...


User currently offlineLAXspotr From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 81 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

This is a bit of a silly post.

Denis' shot is no different from many others previously accepted into the database in regards to crop. It's unique, however, as it showcases an aircraft type rarely captured inflight.

A 2 minute search on the site and I can pull up the following with....contrails, a slightly loose crop, and a fair amount of distance - who would've thought.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

I don't necessarily agree with the opinions expressed by the OP but he's entitled to his opinion and locking this thread would be as 'silly' as the thread itself.

This thread-locking lark is isolating the very people A.net claims to rely on.

Karl


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Pretty soon we'll end up discussing a simple side shot of a US Airways A320 or KLM 777. Come on. It's a nice shot.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Thread starter):
It just seems like part of the reason its on TOD is partly because the aircraft is so small in the frame that you give it a hit just to see what it is.

I did give it a hit :P You know what, I think Dennis should get lens with more zoom. But it's a Super Transporter, not your everyday 737 or anything else.

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4853 times:

Hi all,

i wont comment too much on my photo As
obviously i Kind of like it and i think it Works ok.

However i find it a Bit disturbing that lately we're questioning accepted Photos here...

BTW, i have longer lenses, they
just don't fit into The Cockpit  Smile

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineSpencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4851 times:

Another fantastic shot Den!
Spence.



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User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 weeks ago) and read 4824 times:



Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 5):
just don't fit into The Cockpit

I thought you were flying the big ones now....otherwise you have to shoot from seat 1C......

V.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 weeks ago) and read 4825 times:



Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 5):
However i find it a Bit disturbing that lately we're questioning accepted Photos here...

I find it more than a bit disturbing that the moderators here have been allowing this sort of behavior. Suggestions are great but now a pattern has developed. Now we are simply getting rants from the chatterclass. I will exclude Flo because he usually doesn't post threads like he has done with the bathroom pic but there are many here that are always engaging in this deplorable behavior. A rant is a rant and long term it will have bad results. Some of these photogs that upload these great shots may hesistate if they feel a thread will surface meaning it's open season on accepted pics from the photogs that can't get similiar photos in. Clearly I see no reason why a rule can't be established that threads questioning a pic in the DB are no longer allowed and email should be used. Will harsh penalties in place. Will someone be brave enough to do this? Or do we have to endure these sour grape rants that insult the photog?


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 weeks ago) and read 4780 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Clearly I see no reason why a rule can't be established that threads questioning a pic in the DB are no longer allowed and email should be used.

I do agree that this shot is nice and it deserves to be in the db, but I disagree at the concept of forbidding to post on the accepted pics. I thini it's valid to criticise (good and bad) on other shots. At the end of the day, if most feel the criticism is BS, then there's no need to reply to it. What I can't stand is the thread locking that goes on way too often.  Wink



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User currently offlineChuck9941 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Apparently most on here overlooked the fact that I said I liked the photo.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Thread starter):
I like the photo don't get me wrong bu

The questioning was to the subjectivity of such photos and to be used as a learning too by knowing more of what acceptable limits are of things such as a loose crop or a fair amount of distance.

Quoting LAXspotr (Reply 2):
A 2 minute search on the site and I can pull up the following with....contrails, a slightly loose crop, and a fair amount of distance -

This type of information is valuable to submitters who may not be the best of photographers or have a lot of photos in the db but are looking to improve both the quality of their photos and the amount accepted to the db. A better understanding will allow someone to maybe post a photo that they felt might not be accepted for these reasons and didn't want to fill up the queue with rubbish.

Unfortunately any type of questioning about a photo is taken to be an attack on the photographer rather its intention of being a constructive learning environment. Isn't that what the discussion forum is about?

Again this was not an attack on Denis nor his work as he has many great shots it the db.



Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
User currently offlineSluger020889 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Why don't we just pick one photo a day and question its acceptance, complain about it, and drag it through the mud?

Joey



I would love to fly a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4660 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 9):
if most feel the criticism is BS, then there's no need to reply to it

Again your only thinking about youself, whch has become a pattern with these rants. Take a minute to think of the photog who has gone to the airport, got the capture and got the acceptance, on top of becoming top of day. Only to come here and see you criticizing it because of the loathing you feel when you get rejections. It's totally classless, useless and petty. It needs to stop. If you have a beef, email the screeners. We don't need the obstuctionist agenda any more.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Reply 10):
Apparently most on here overlooked the fact that I said I liked the photo.

No we didn't. Using the word "but.." doesn't give you a pass from starting this rant thread and insulting another photog. One that gives up his own time to screen your images.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Reply 10):
The questioning was to the subjectivity of such photos and to be used as a learning too by knowing more of what acceptable limits are of things such as a loose crop or a fair amount of distance

You have done that a number of ways without including the pic, there is no accecptance ratio anymore so you can upload at will, or simply ask the question without dragging someone else into it.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Reply 10):
Unfortunately any type of questioning about a photo is taken to be an attack on the photographer rather its intention of being a constructive learning environment. Isn't that what the discussion forum is about?

You don't need to include others to achieve the desired result. You can post your own pics or if you have to use other photog's pics do it via email to one of the head screeners and ask your question. I know Tim or Gary et al will help. I tried it and Gary helped me more than he needed to and was always willing to answer me. So stop the grandstanding.

Quoting Sluger020889 (Reply 11):
Why don't we just pick one photo a day and question its acceptance, complain about it, and drag it through the mud?

Don't give them any ideas Joey.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4648 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Again your only thinking about youself, whch has become a pattern with these rants. Take a minute to think of the photog who has gone to the airport, got the capture and got the acceptance, on top of becoming top of day. Only to come here and see you criticizing it because of the loathing you feel when you get rejections. It's totally classless, useless and petty. It needs to stop. If you have a beef, email the screeners. We don't need the obstuctionist agenda any more.

When was I thinking about myself? please specify ...

All I am saying is that I don't agree with the prohibition of making a public critique on an accepted picture. Just as there are threads that are made to show amazing pictures, I don't see it wrong to have the more questionable ones posted. Then it's up to you to post or give an opinion or not.
Everyone that uploads a picture here is for the exposure it gets, and by making a picture public, criticism IMHO should be welcomed, both positive and negative alike, always in a respectful manner. And besides, it will give the picture a lot of hits

And in this specific case, I agree with the acceptance, it's a beautiful picture of a rare a/c



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
When was I thinking about myself? please specify ...

You posted that if we don't like it not to read. Totally ignoring the fact that we are against these threads because they are a nuisance to read. We just don't need photogs work as Joey said dragged through the mud. We are thinking big picture, not just ourselves.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
All I am saying is that I don't agree with the prohibition of making a public critique on an accepted picture. Just as there are threads that are made to show amazing pictures, I don't see it wrong to have the more questionable ones posted. Then it's up to you to post or give an opinion or not

Read what the OP wrote.

Quoting Chuck9941 (Thread starter):
A-300 Super Transporter just seems like it should have received a distance rejection.

It's callling out the site and it's crew. Again with words like these an email to the screeners would have worked better. With that sentence your slagging the photog.

[Edited 2009-12-01 18:25:03]

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4628 times:



Quoting Chuck9941 (Thread starter):
just seems like it should have received a distance rejection.

...many of us agree....but....you know how that goes.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
You posted that if we don't like it not to read. Totally ignoring the fact that we are against these threads because they are a nuisance to read. We just don't need photogs work as Joey said dragged through the mud. We are thinking big picture, not just ourselves.

yes, just as the threads in non-av. If you don't like to read them, there is no need for you to do so, as there are many threads I don't care about and don't post in them. This is a forum, and as such, we'll have interesting stuff and not so interesting stuff, as well as topics we like and topics we don't like. That's nature, so why not allow threads that can be critical?
I still don't understand how that = thinking about myself. I'm giving a suggestion, that's it.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Read what the OP wrote.

and I don't agree with the post. But why should anyone not be allowed to rise his/her concerns about an acceptance?



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4569 times:



Quoting JeffM (Reply 15):
many of us agree....but....you know how that goes.

Yep we know Jeff you guys speak for many of the photogs that upload here.  sarcastic 

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
yes, just as the threads in non-av. If you don't like to read them, there is no need for you to do so, as there are many threads I don't care about and don't post in them. This is a forum, and as such, we'll have interesting stuff and not so interesting stuff, as well as topics we like and topics we don't like. That's nature, so why not allow threads that can be critical?

This isn't non-av. In fact it couldn't be more different. You have a bunch of guys here that shoot together, and do many things together. You have screeners, non screeners but at the end of the day you should show some respect and decorum toward them whether you like them or not. Whether you think the shot should have been accepted or not. Whether you like them personally or not you shouldn't do stuff like this. It goes much further than telling someone to not open the thread but you insist on totally ignoring the fact that your making someone feel like complete shit. You do this because your agenda is to discredit the site, the screeners and how things are done. You should take some of your own advice and either ignore the pics or leave if you don't agree with what the screeners decide and if your "I just want to learn" line is geniune do it through email and not in a public forum.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16):
But why should anyone not be allowed to rise his/her concerns about an acceptance?

Let me see.

#1. It's bad form to drag someones pic through the mud.

#2. Actually your wasting your time because everyone from Johan to the new owners, screenrs to the little old woman who lives in a shoe has told you that the screening process will never change.

#3. See #1 and #2.

#4. Even after this you still want to argue the fact it is better to do with an email to the screeners and or site owners.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4479 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
You have screeners, non screeners but at the end of the day you should show some respect and decorum toward them whether you like them or not

We agree that every critique should be done with respect

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
It goes much further than telling someone to not open the thread but you insist on totally ignoring the fact that your making someone feel like complete shit.

I see your point, but speaking only for myself here, I wouldn't feel like a complete crap if the thread would be about oneof my pictures. Maybe that's why I'm not seeing this as a problem.
One thing I may have forgotten to mention is that my idea is not for the negative criticism to mean that the picture should be reviewed by screeners and then pulled. If that would be the consequence, then no way I would agree with negative criticism.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17):
You do this because your agenda is to discredit the site, the screeners and how things are done

Right, it's my agenda. Who cares about my family, especially taking care of my seven-month old daughter or going to work? screw that! my agenda is to discredit evil anet and nothing else!  Yeah sure
Nik, I have noticed through several threads that if anyone dares to criticize ANYTHING of tis site, you automatically get edgy and aggressive. While some of the things suggested might not be of your liking, you have to remember that this is a forum and everyone has the right to give their opinions. You are the one that is making this a personal matter.
A lot of great ideas came out of these threads, and anet has changed a few things because of the public concerns, so give it a break and allow people to ay what they want.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4464 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
I find it more than a bit disturbing that the moderators here have been allowing this sort of behavior

It's called free speech Nik; something about which you should know living in a democracy. How about the U.S. government take away your right to vote because you voted for the 'bad guys' last time? Or because you exprssed negative opinions about a certain party?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Some of these photogs that upload these great shots may hesistate if they feel a thread will surface meaning it's open season on accepted pics from the photogs that can't get similiar photos in

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. In fact it'd make me chuckle. If it's accepted here and I like it that's the end of the story, What happens afterwards is beyond my control.

On a final note Nik, you preach about this 'I' business but if we were to alter that to 'we' you'd have us for speaking on the behalf of others. No win, no win.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5749 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
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One of the things that has irritated me about A.net in the years I have been a member.

The attitude that any attempt to discuss an accepted image is going to be an insult to the photographer.

We are adults(mostly) and should be able to discuss things in an adult manner.

Tastes, styles and heaven forbid, acceptence criteria, change over time. It is only right that the community be able to discuss these things.

The ability to illustrate the conversation is important and should not be banned.

If Nik is successful in his campaign to ban such threads then the site will have taken a step backward into it's own dark ages.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4423 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
The attitude that any attempt to discuss an accepted image is going to be an insult to the photographer.

We are adults(mostly) and should be able to discuss things in an adult manner.

Tastes, styles and heaven forbid, acceptence criteria, change over time. It is only right that the community be able to discuss these things.

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User currently offlineLeadingedge From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

If you publish a book, produce a play, or exhibit a painting then you can expect the critics and public to express an opinion. I fail to see the difference here.

Ref Jemm M's point; I suspect he speaks for those who like the picture but knowing the rules would have expected a rejection in this case. Perhaps he and those who are like minded should be glad to know that such pictures can now be acceptable.

"Now we are simply getting rants from the chatterclass" Hey Nik69 that seems like part of a great example of a rant to me!


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4397 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
We agree that every critique should be done with respect

Oh yea starting the thread with the words "should have been rejected" is just so respectful.  sarcastic 

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
One thing I may have forgotten to mention is that my idea is not for the negative criticism to mean that the picture should be reviewed by screeners and then pulled. If that would be the consequence, then no way I would agree with negative criticism

Oh how nice of you to leave the pic in the DB. The way these rant threads are progressing I am surprised someone hasn't suggested voting on pics to see if they stay in.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18):
Nik, I have noticed through several threads that if anyone dares to criticize ANYTHING of tis site, you automatically get edgy and aggressive. While some of the things suggested might not be of your liking, you have to remember that this is a forum and everyone has the right to give their opinions

That is because these threads are nothing more than rants designed to try to get the site to cave into your demands and then your banter after they refuse to do so. It isn't about opinions. It's about loathing and apathy toward something you have no control over. Something you would think would sink in after so much time.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 19):
It's called free speech Nik; something about which you should know living in a democracy. How about the U.S. government take away your right to vote because you voted for the 'bad guys' last time? Or because you exprssed negative opinions about a certain party?

So now your comparing the site to the US government? We don't vote on how things are done here. We can only make suggestions. You don't have to upload your pictures here and posting these useless threads every time you get jealous that a pic has made it to the home page is not democracy. It's immaturity. You can have all the free speech you want. It's just time for some new material.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
One of the things that has irritated me about A.net in the years I have been a member.

The attitude that any attempt to discuss an accepted image is going to be an insult to the photographer.

We are adults(mostly) and should be able to discuss things in an adult manner.

Again just because you feel a certain way doesn't mean many or all the other photogs that upload feel the same. Take a second to think of them and not just you.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):
Tastes, styles and heaven forbid, acceptence criteria, change over time. It is only right that the community be able to discuss these things

Well two out of three isn't bad. You have been told over the years the acceptance criteria #1 will never change, and #2 if the site decides to do so will not be done with our input. So why beat it into the ground and take a photogs money shot with you? It's totally wrong.

Quoting Leadingedge (Reply 22):
If you publish a book, produce a play, or exhibit a painting then you can expect the critics and public to express an opinion. I fail to see the difference here.

Huge difference the critics are usually not peers. I have always read that the "community" thing was so strong here. That the photogs have a strong bond of friendship etc. I guess that all goes out the window when you are mad your last shot got a motive rejection and you see something getting 20K hits huh? It's lame, real lame.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4391 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Oh yea starting the thread with the words "should have been rejected" is just so respectful

the OP then also asked "thoughts?" . That to me does not seem like a disrespectful way of asking something.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Oh how nice of you to leave the pic in the DB. The way these rant threads are progressing I am surprised someone hasn't suggested voting on pics to see if they stay in.

sorry for clarifying my view.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
That is because these threads are nothing more than rants designed to try to get the site to cave into your demands and then your banter after they refuse to do so. It isn't about opinions

No, they are not rants. They are threads asking for opinions, and averyone is entitled to post their opinion. If you are taking them as rants, then it's your problem, because every time something comes up your only excuse is that they are rants. You are hte one who makes a huge deal about everything, and to be honest, it is getting old.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
We don't vote on how things are done here. We can only make suggestions.

And it is being SUGGESTED that accepted -as well as rejected- pictures can be criticized.
We all know that the site will have the last word on the subject, but what is wrong with suggesting???

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
You can have all the free speech you want. It's just time for some new material.

and for once, posting negative criticism would be new material.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
That the photogs have a strong bond of friendship etc

Among my spotter firends we always criticize are shots, for good and for bad. In fact, part of friendship is being able to tell the truth about one's opinion.



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25 Leadingedge : I have to disagree with you there. If you exhibit your work you should expect to receive comments from anyone who cares to share their opinion. You c
26 WakeTurbulence : You are flat out wrong there. The creative images that are now WAY more accepted came about because photographers in the forum specifically lobbied t
27 Viv : To whom do you refer? Be specific and exhaustive.
28 JakTrax : It's a similie, not a direct comparsion. And extending the right of free speech includes a desire to be as immature as an individual sees fit. Whethe
29 Psych : So much for my promise to myself not to be drawn in to discussions at the moment - I am my own worst enemy! I have to say there is some really woolly
30 JakTrax : I think this is fairly simply explained. In the case of a photo like Denis's the distance is obviously deliberate and therefore falls within the rule
31 Chuck9941 : Whole point of the original thread.
32 Post contains images Psych : Denis will know, as many of us do, that such photos are considered acceptable. The 'content' issue here is 'why'. Who decided that? What was the reas
33 NIKV69 : Most of us can see through the smoke screen here. The toilet shot that went TOD and photog's choice is still a sore spot for the chatterclass here an
34 JakTrax : I'm afraid Nik that as soon as you upload your shots here you are in effect 'consenting' to criticism of your images. Whatever anyone says, freedom of
35 Chuck9941 : Where is the relevance of this shot to the topic of the OP? By bringing it into this discussion you are only fueling what you speak against of. as so
36 Viv : As has been said, anyone who uploads shots here is entitled to have those shots praised for their quality. By the same token, he is also subject to cr
37 Eksath : So as a proud member of the "chatter class", I like to say that i LIKE the picture. I have no issues with it. It is a bit far but hey we have been hav
38 Psych : A bit like someone picking at a healing wound, I am back to see what is happening in this thread! I really think genuine questions are being asked abo
39 EZEIZA : exactly. That's what I have been trying to say and as stated, once you decide to upload a shot for the public to see, then the public has the right t
40 Sharpshooter : Maybe you'd have more success in that area if you followed some of your own advice and e-mailed them directly with your concerns? Modus operandi.
41 Silver1SWA : I agree with your statement, however I highlighted in bold a part that has been missing lately. There has been very little, almost no input at all fr
42 Sharpshooter : Unfortunately? Debatable. I'd rather the screeners pound through the queue than worry about the bickering that goes on in the forum.
43 NIKV69 : They are more than aware of the situation. That is because they have made their position clear many times. Simply starting a new thread is not going
44 Silver1SWA : True. But without screeners paying attention to these threads, then what is the point of all this "bickering"? Is this place really supposed to be no
45 Post contains links and images EZEIZA : View Large View MediumPhoto © Ivandalavia this shot? one of the best I've seen, and it'll probably go into the "wow" threads. Comparing this sho
46 PanAm_DC10 : It's perfectly legitimate to ask "why was this picture accepted?" if the purpose is to genuinely understand what rationale the screeners used to accep
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