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Sending Photos To Airways Magazine... And Others  
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Ok, has anyone sent pics to Airways magazine lately? I emailed them and they replied compensation is $10 plus a copy of the magazine.

Airliners (which AFAIK is the cheapest), pays only $10 take it or leave it, but I had been told before, Airways payed $20 per picture.

Not that I'm greedy but one of the subjects is a plane nobody has shot yet after getting painted for its new operator and might not even be shootable again for a while, I was wondering if I should ask at least $20 or more for it.

Wonder how much Airliner World, Air International, etc pay..

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Well, most magazine base prices on how good a relationship you have with the managing editor. And with that said, how many of your photos are used, how big, and quality of them. For just anyone to send a photo in, there are the standard rates. Not to mention, many magazines have deals worked out to get their photos from groups like AirTeamImages (whom I am a member of), or others.

I know the Managing Editor over in England for Key Publishing. Key publishes many of the industry's leading magazines. Airways Magazine is weird in that you really can't talk with anyone over the phone. I'll call Key (in England) from here at my home in the US, and talk with them anytime (in the morning mind you) I need to about a story I may be supplying photos for. All communication w/ Airways (based out of Idaho I believe) is done via email and that can slow things down. Plus, they typically have their "preferred" photographers for whom they get pictures from. That also plays a part in the compensation one will receive. Thankfully, I have managed to foster many good relationships in the airline publishing business and even some in the book publishing side too in the last year. It has paid off, literally, all my investments in gear and camera "stuff"!

[Edited 2009-12-05 16:00:34 by lexy]


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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
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Air International pays 20 pounds ($35) per image. I recently sold 6 images to them and that was what they paid me.

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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4950 times:

Lexy, don't get me wrong I'm very happy you answered my thread and although no doubt making a point (which I can learn from) it doesn't really help me any that you have a great relationship with the managing editor in the UK. Just because you're in Air Team whatever doesn't mean other photogs (which might happen to actually shoot slides most of the time for their private collection) instead of uploading to a.net or whatever, should be short-changed and a GOOD subject they send shouldn't be compensated fairly.

One of the reasons I rarely upload any of the digital stuff I might shoot is precisely that, "favoritism" towards "regular contributors", especially if someone knows them personally. I've send in something new, rare, reasonably well edited, pretty shot, in good light, to that 'other site' before and have had some screener kid reject it, while accepting a ton of crappy-lit shots of generic subjects already littering their database.

I saw (what I think it's the last issue) of Airlner World (the one that has a DHL 767 on the center page?) and I wasn't all that impressed honestly with their new shots section. That one in particular lacked contrast and looked "flat" to be on the centerfold -in my opinion.

Air Fly Team whatever might get the chance to get taken up on a Cessna and shoot a DHL 767 in flight, or get you a nice KLM takeoff shot at AMS or the latest Airbus at Tolouse (that 100 other people will shoot). But if I send something rare that possibly nobody has (and there are no pics online of that plane in those colors either) I thought a magazine would be glad to have it and pay to have it, regardless if the photographer is big-name or not. Another one of the shots I sent has the look, good contrast, nice background, in addition to being an interesting/nostalgic subject worthy of a center page feature all by itself.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 2):
Air International pays 20 pounds ($35) per image. I recently sold 6 images to them and that was what they paid me.

That sounds a lot more fair right there. No doubt it's nice to have your name next to a photo but for $10 dollars I'd rather keep it to my collection next time.

[Edited 2009-12-06 09:03:33 by srbmod]

User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4932 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
Another one of the shots I sent has the look, good contrast, nice background, in addition to being an interesting/nostalgic subject worthy of a center page feature all by itself.

You sure do seem to think highly of your work. I would love to see if you have the confidence to post some of the shots you are talking about on this thread.
-Matt



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2774 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4930 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
That sounds a lot more fair right there. No doubt it's nice to have your name next to a photo but for $10 dollars I'd rather keep it to my collection next time.

It's $10 you didn't have before, and it didn't cost you anything to make it, plus you keep the copyrights. Yes it's a low number, but it is more money than it'd make just sitting on your computer.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4837 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
I saw (what I think it's the last issue) of Airlner World (the one that has a DHL 767 on the center page?) and I wasn't all that impressed honestly with their new shots section

Many of my images look 'different' when they're published in magazines - flat, dark, under-saturated, etc.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
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Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 5):
It's $10 you didn't have before, and it didn't cost you anything to make it, plus you keep the copyrights. Yes it's a low number, but it is more money than it'd make just sitting on your computer.

Not only that, it's also exposure your image wouldn't get if just left sitting in your collection.

I have sold pictures to two magazines, Airliners Magazine and Airports of the World. Airliners offered $10 plus a copy of the issue for one image and Airports of the World wanted 4 images for a feature and paid much better. Both offered me amounts in accordance with their standard rates based on the number of images, size used and layout so I didn't bother negotiating. It wasn't about the money for me anyway. I was just happy to be published and ok with it as long as I wasn't giving my photos up for free.

[Edited 2009-12-06 12:21:07]


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

All mag's have standard photo rates which are published on their websites and often in the pages of the mag's themselves. It's a 'take it or leave it' scenario and I always take what they are offering, no matter how little it is. If you try to bargain for more money they will simply walk away and not publish the pic - your call.

Karl


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 3):
But if I send something rare that possibly nobody has (and there are no pics online of that plane in those colors either) I thought a magazine would be glad to have it and pay to have it, regardless if the photographer is big-name or not. Another one of the shots I sent has the look, good contrast, nice background, in addition to being an interesting/nostalgic subject worthy of a center page feature all by itself.

WOW! I didn't mean to tick you off or anything. I was just trying to help for Christ sakes.

If you send a picture like the one you described above to the magazine, it's going to appear as a small pic, at the front of the issue, mixed in with other "New Stuff" from your region of the world. Nothing special and certainly nothing that they would scrap their ideas for stories in the next months issue for. You see, they plan the issues months in advance and consult with their "Photography Contributors" for photos regarding the subject of the magazine issue. If it's an article being written by one of their main editors, then the editor usually does their own photography work on the article and won't need any "outside" help. Let me give you an example here:


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Photo © Michael Davis - AirTeamImages



I sent this to Airways Magazine because it was the first Delta ERJ 175 in the country. Guess how much it fetched me. You bet, $10 pathetic dollars, but that's just the way it is.

Rich International Airways Lockheed L-1011-385-1 TriStar 1 (N312GB)  **Cockpit**
This was part of "Airliner Word" Magazine's tribute issue for the Lockheed L-1011. I actually collaborated with the editor team for this shot and worked with them on it. I even flew to ROW from BNA for this! It fetched me a bunch more than just $10. It was a half-page part of the article. Once I got back home, I sent him all the pictures I got while in ROW and he chose which shot(s) he wanted to "try" out for the article. In the long run, it's all about "EXPOSURE"!! Without that, you are nothing in the aviation photography business. I could honestly care less about the money part. Plus, I have a great deal of fun just taking the pictures. Some men fish, others hunt, I take pictures of Airplanes and other things. Photography is my passion!


You can either decide to send them a bunch of new, or renewed, airplane pictures and make $10 for a small picture on one of the first handful of pages of the mag. or you can do something else with it. What you do with it is your business, but you've got to understand that publishing companies aren't going to fall all over themselves for yours or mine work. You've got to be your own salesman and make them feel bad, so to speak, for not coming to you sooner. You also have to keep in mind that it isn't all about what YOU think about the shot, it's what THEY think about it. And, FWIW, they do the editing to fit their magazine standards. You don't do anything for them except clone out the dust spots and straighten the shot up. If you think a picture in the centerfold of their mag. stinks, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But, the ultimate decision is made by the lead editor and the other people working in layout. It's their call and really not anyone else, and the methods they use are more than fair in soliciting for photographs of specific subjects. If you don't like, understand, or appreciate that, then I got nothing for ya.

I apologize for ruffling your feathers like I did. Next time, I'll think twice before taking time out of my day to help another photog out on this site.

[Edited 2009-12-06 15:08:58 by lexy]

[Edited 2009-12-06 15:18:09 by lexy]

[Edited 2009-12-06 15:21:05 by lexy]


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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4737 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 9):
I apologize for ruffling your feathers like I did. Next time, I'll think twice before taking time out of my day to help another photog out on this site.

Hey buddy, I wasn't offended or anything, and sincerely appreciate you taking the time to answer. I did get the impression you came off as an elitist photog bragging type, but hey,there's a chance my perception was totally wrong there, and if it was, accept my sincere apology. Sounds like it was a goal of yours to get your photos out there and you've made good contacts and got nice gigs, sweet! But, see what I mean? look at the following:

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 4):
You sure do seem to think highly of your work. I would love to see if you have the confidence to post some of the shots you are talking about on this thread.

oooh sounds like a challenge! I'm excited  Yeah sure

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 7):

Airports of the World

Airports of the World, one I didn't have in mind, thanks.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Many of my images look 'different' when they're published in magazines - flat, dark, under-saturated, etc.

I sent a few shots to Airliners last year for one issue and I don't even think they sharpened these shots and definitely didn't adjust the slightly off color balance and saturation off the digital camera (two were slide scans and it was obvious they also needed more color saturation). Not having any experience with magazines I'd thought the editor would edit them to some standard parameter, but I guessed wrong.

One shot I did send edited because it was taken on difficult lighting conditions, edited to make it look perfect, and what do you know? Whoever was in charge, pumped-up the colors on that one (lol the only one not needing it) making it look fake and noisy, they ruined the shot.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4728 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
Hey buddy, I wasn't offended or anything, and sincerely appreciate you taking the time to answer. I did get the impression you came off as an elitist photog bragging type, but hey,there's a chance my perception was totally wrong there, and if it was, accept my sincere apology. Sounds like it was a goal of yours to get your photos out there and you've made good contacts and got nice gigs, sweet! But, see what I mean? look at the following:

Listen, no problem at all! I appreciate your kind words and I am humbled by them. I am a humbled photographer who is appreciative of any help I can get. I have made a lot of friends and lost a few in my journey as an aviation photographer. But, the friends/contacts I have in this hobby are some of the best friendships I have ever had and I thank God for them everyday. Trust me, there's plenty of photogs out there who are much better than I am. But, just like you and I have said, I've busted my butt and made contacts the old fashioned way. I have shook hands and kissed babies to get to where I am at today, which still isn't where I want to be! I am happy to help any other photographer out there and I am willing to work with them in any way. I don't want to be the only one to succeed in this field. I want others to as well and if I can help them do so, then that's what is really rewarding!!! In the future, if I can ever help you, let me know!

As for the pictures and editing them, that really depends on the layout designers and the lead editors preference. They may end up looking like garbage to us once they make it to print, but since the only thing I do is straighten and clone out dust spots, it's not my problem if they can't edit! LOL!! That's on them, not me and I am always quick to point that out.  Wink I have found the magazines that are published by Key Publishing to be the best when it comes to the final product. Their editing team consist of aviation photographers and their lead editor is one as well. So with that, they know what a shot should look like. Also, because they own so many different magazines about the industry, you stand a really good chance of getting your name out there in the public worldwide. I think they have a sales rate average of around 35,000 magazine copies of just "Airliner World" worldwide. Their next issue is going to be awesome because it is spotlighting on a tribute to the MD-11!!!!

Airways Magazine is a good way of keeping up with stuff here on the "homefront" in the USA, but I don't like their layout, some of their photo selections, and their ability to be contacted. They, like I said in the first post way up there, are some of the hardest to get in touch with.



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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4726 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
oooh sounds like a challenge! I'm excited

Not a challenge at all. I am honestly curious about the shots you are discussing. You came off pompous in your response to Michael, and you wrote yourself that your shots are worthy of a publication. I like looking at aviation images, especially shots that are as good as you are describing. I guess we'll never see them, looks like I got the answer I thought I would.

Or maybe I'll just have to wait for the next hot edition of Airliners mag, I'll be looking for your shots in the center spread  rotfl 
-Matt



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User currently offlineDendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1667 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
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There is one other very important part, and that is knowing aviation, knowing what is news and what to send to a magazine.
They are far less likely (to the point of being unlikely) to use a superb photograph of a common aircraft than a less spectacular one of something that is newsworthy. There is no point bombarding a magazine with photographs just because you happen to like them but the one that is news is likely to sell if you get it to them edited and quickly - old news is not news !
The more mundane stuff, that they might want one day need simply needs to be somewhere where an editor can find it, a picture library, a database and this site is as good as anywhere for that.

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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
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Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 13):
The more mundane stuff, that they might want one day need simply needs to be somewhere where an editor can find it, a picture library, a database and this site is as good as anywhere for that.

I wish... but these days, they mostly turn to "the cartel" (aka ATI) for that...



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4647 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 11):
In the future, if I can ever help you, let me know!

Consider the future right now haha (and thanks again man)

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 12):
You came off pompous in your response

I might be "pompous" but at least I don't have the 'confidence' to test anyone either, not even if I were trying out for The Wash Team  Wink

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 12):
Or maybe I'll just have to wait for the next hot edition of Airliners mag, I'll be looking for your shots in the center spread

You might be looking for them in the wrong magazine then lol Just remember, we're talking about airplane magazines here. Haven't found any with a centerfold that was you know "hot" yet, but hey never say never. For something really hot I could always send you a pic of myself in my Scooby Doo underwear trying to get a tan, now that's caliente!


User currently offlineKukkudrill From Malta, joined Dec 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4635 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
I sent a few shots to Airliners last year for one issue and I don't even think they sharpened these shots and definitely didn't adjust the slightly off color balance and saturation off the digital camera (two were slide scans and it was obvious they also needed more color saturation). Not having any experience with magazines I'd thought the editor would edit them to some standard parameter, but I guessed wrong.

One shot I did send edited because it was taken on difficult lighting conditions, edited to make it look perfect, and what do you know? Whoever was in charge, pumped-up the colors on that one (lol the only one not needing it) making it look fake and noisy, they ruined the shot.



Quoting Lexy (Reply 11):
They may end up looking like garbage to us once they make it to print, but since the only thing I do is straighten and clone out dust spots, it's not my problem if they can't edit! LOL!! That's on them, not me and I am always quick to point that out.

My own experience on this has been mixed. Occasionally magazines have edited my shots, occasionally they haven't. Most times where my shots got edited I found myself not liking the edit.

But I always assume photos will be published as is so I edit them before submitting. If the magazine editor wants to do any further editing it is up to him, but from my part the photos will be ready for publishing except only for conversion to CMYK format.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Think about how many images an editor will receive from third parties; then think about how much time he (or she) has to organise them in-between issues. Can you imagine how much time it'd take to edit all these images? I always do a miniscule amount of editing to relieve the burden on the editors - things like levelling, colour correction, brightness, etc. Most times to be honest editing isn't required, except for perhaps a little sharpening.

Karl


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4561 times:



Quoting Fly-K (Reply 14):

I wish... but these days, they mostly turn to "the cartel" (aka ATI) for that...

Well, in ATI's defense, they have fostered relationships in a very fair and diplomatic way with publishing companies. They shouldn't have their feet held over the coals because their images appear the most in magazines.



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4547 times:
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Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):
Well, in ATI's defense, they have fostered relationships in a very fair and diplomatic way with publishing companies. They shouldn't have their feet held over the coals because their images appear the most in magazines.

No doubt they are successful, but this had led to a massive reduction of non-ATI photogs' chances to get published.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4547 times:



Quoting Fly-K (Reply 19):

No doubt they are successful, but this had led to a massive reduction of non-ATI photogs' chances to get published.

Perhaps, but if the "non-ATI" photogs work is better, then wouldn't it make sense on the magazines part to publish the better work? I would think so. In the end, it all comes down to how the publication wants to be seen and perceived in the public's (readers) eye. Especially when it's a publication that is seen on different continents. Always put your best foot forward!



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
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Quoting Lexy (Reply 20):
Perhaps, but if the "non-ATI" photogs work is better, then wouldn't it make sense on the magazines part to publish the better work

Probably - if the difference is significant. However, ATI has some good photogs too, so publications know they get good quality from ATI, so why bother searching for something else?



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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4537 times:



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 13):
The more mundane stuff, that they might want one day need simply needs to be somewhere where an editor can find it, a picture library, a database and this site is as good as anywhere for that.

The fundamental problem is that editors and the like cannot RELY on images from a.net on a day-to-day basis... OK on an adhoc basis for one-off newsworthy images put on page 3-6 of Airliners or Airways, but as has mentioned that doesn't pay too well these days - newsworthy pics are on the net these days, not in magazines, so the news shots are just a bit of window dressing to the main content.

The problems with a.net are firstly, we all know that 1024 pixels can disguise a multitude of sins that become more evident in high-res images, that 1024 pixels aren't enough for a full page spread, and thus that when an editor gets the a high-res it might not be useable. Secondly, editors have to deal with with individual photographers who either might not respond to an image request in a timely matter, or might want to hold out and negotiate individual deals.

Magazines go to known-libraries and known-regular-photographers for good reasons... Much easier - in many cases - to go to a single reliable source, with one point of contact, one person to deal with, and pre-knowledge that ALL of the images are immediately available high-res/high-quality.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4532 times:



Quoting AndyEastMids (Reply 22):
The problems with a.net are firstly, we all know that 1024 pixels can disguise a multitude of sins that become more evident in high-res images, that 1024 pixels aren't enough for a full page spread, and thus that when an editor gets the a high-res it might not be useable. Secondly, editors have to deal with with individual photographers who either might not respond to an image request in a timely matter, or might want to hold out and negotiate individual deals.

Magazines go to known-libraries and known-regular-photographers for good reasons... Much easier - in many cases - to go to a single reliable source, with one point of contact, one person to deal with, and pre-knowledge that ALL of the images are immediately available high-res/high-quality.

Well said and exactly what I was about to post.



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User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4511 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
The Wash Team

Don't you mean Jet Fly Wash Whatever???

Send us your stuff, we'll put it right in the center.  Wink



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25 JakTrax : MIAMIx707, Getting back to the topic at hand I really can't figure out why you posted this thread. It doesn't make too much sense and I'm probably not
26 Clickhappy : It is important to remember that somethings "worth" is exactly what someone is willing to pay for. The fact of the matter is that there are lots of di
27 Lexy : You know, Royal does make a very good point here. I totally have to agree with him on this train of thought. The cream will rise to the top eventuall
28 JakTrax : Too many digital cameras = try to be unique and a bit different. I always find a perfect rotation shot looks a lot nicer and I think the mag's may tak
29 Clickhappy : Another important aspect to keep in mind while building a relationship(s) with a magazine is that a few "$10 images" might open some doors for you dow
30 MIAMIx707 : Enough (in the case of Airliners) to make a story next to the picture and while focusing so much on that, get important information like the registra
31 Clickhappy : It seems like your point has somehow become an anti-ANET rant, which is unfortunate. Having a photo published in a magazine means nothing to our accep
32 Kukkudrill : Spot on.
33 Cpd : It's about fostering good relationships with the editors of the magazines. Sometimes, if you know the editor - it can make a world of difference and
34 NicolasRubio : Royal has got a VERY interesting point there! I, for example, started out the way he mentioned. Some time later I was invited to be the official phot
35 JakTrax : MIAMIx707, I'm glad you appreciate my right to an opinion here but you seem ticked-off because, in the perhaps limited time you've been here, people h
36 Soon7x7 : Michael, Pubs will accept any image from anyone, even if the quality is questionable if it is relevant to their intended article. Some pubs pay better
37 INNflight : Oh blaaaah, really! Swim or drown. Your choice. And just for the sake of the argument, digital is the current technology, in all formats, so go get o
38 Lexy : Are you addressing me? If so, I agree! In many cases, especially those that are newsworthy, it doesn't matter who it is or what it was shot with. The
39 EMA747 : There must be only a tiny ammount of avaiton photographers that actually make a living off their work so money is a bad reason to do this hobby. For
40 JakTrax : I think very few here do if for money but by the same token I'm sure the majority find it satisfying making a sale. Anything I do earn goes straight b
41 Lexy : With your positive outlook and attitude, your time out on the ramp will come soon enough! I had to learn the hard way to be humble and be quiet about
42 JakTrax : Getting airside access is about making contacts and using exactly the right ingredients when speaking to exactly the right people. I'm personally a bi
43 Chrisair : Does the magazine pay your expenses for trips like these, in addition to a day (or 2x day) rate? For anyone wondering what the best way to get consis
44 Lexy : No. I purchased my own tickets because I am not a Staff Photographer for them. I am a Contributing Photographer for Key Publishing though, but that d
45 EGTESkyGod : Is anyone else still waiting to see the images MIAMIx707 is talking about? I, myself, am also looking to one day have my photos published and have alr
46 Cpd : I didn't photograph that, but did better than that - I got to know the flight engineers on board it. Really, really cool people to know and I truly a
47 EGTESkyGod : Couldn't have put it better.
48 Soon7x7 : Nothing wrong with celluloid!...When you shoot for a living, film or digital is irrelevant unless your strictly photojournalism...I'm still using a H
49 INNflight : I completely accept that mate, but I don't get his attitude towards anything digital just for the sake of it.
50 StealthZ : I was waiting but a quick look at his user profile will give you reason to stop holding your breath!.. A 6 year member with 4k posts, one would have
51 EGTESkyGod : Chris, you may well be right! Hopefully see you at SYD again soon. Edit: I click on his profile and it says no such username exists.[Edited 2009-12-0
52 SA7700 : MIAMIx707 is no longer a member of Airliners.net and this thread will therefore be locked. Please note that membership issues are not to be discussed
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