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The New Nikon 70-200 Vr II  
User currently offlineDamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Hello,
The price..(in the UK) has started to come down. The small problem with a thread inside the lens seems not to be a problem.
So its about time to buy it!
Anyone here using it? Any problems or shall I just go for it.
My old 70-300 is old and full of dust...(but still a good lens) and not realy worth the £100 to get it cleaned (Nikon did it last time and not a very good job!!!!!!!!).
Also which tele converter to use with it?
Cheers
Damien

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User currently offlineAlberto Riva From United States of America, joined May 2002, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

If you shoot DX (i.e. any Nikon digital SLR other than the D3 or D700) the VR II is kind of overkill. The 70-200 VR would be all right and cheaper - Nikon updated the lens essentially to fix the corners on full frame and add one stop of VR. I've shot with the early model and can say it's a five-star lens on a crop sensor.

The VR II is put through its paces, on a D3s, here: http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguid...3ia2c2f303f03d144b87f7aaa5574e31f7

Either version takes the TC-14e or e II, TC-17e II and TC-20e or e II converters. Lots of photos here with the 17, and they look pretty good.

A.


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10119 times:



Quoting Damien846 (Thread starter):
Also which tele converter to use with it?

Nikon recommend that teleconverters should NOT be used with zooms, only with primes.



Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Well, they do in fact recommend that the tc can be used with some zoom lenses.

1.4x works fine with 200-400mm, while for the 70-200mn, 1.4 and 1.7 work very well.

I've never ever seen such a statement warning against tc use on zoom lenses in any nikon publication of any sort. And further to that, it was actually recommended to me by Nikon.

The only thing I've ever seen nikon publish is the chart that details compatibility with each lens type, telling you if you'll have autofocus or not, or if the thing will work.

Some lenses have glass rear elements right at the back so those will not work, period.

[Edited 2010-01-23 12:12:38 by cpd]

User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10054 times:



Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
Nikon recommend that teleconverters should NOT be used with zooms, only with primes.

Not so. Here's the official information:

http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Ni...AF-S-Teleconverter-TC-20E-III.html

which says "AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II: no limitations".


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10044 times:
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 3):
1.4x works fine with 200-400mm, while for the 70-200mn

I frequently use mine on both those lenses. I've never had any issues.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):

I frequently use mine on both those lenses. I've never had any issues.

You know what, I just got a TC-17E II this afternoon. I'm doing some photos tomorrow that need the extra range. I had resigned myself to accepting the Nikon claim that with 200-400mm F/4.0 VR AF-S lens, I'll have no autofocus.

The result? Autofocus actually works perfectly with no difference to normal, and, funnily enough, the maximum focal distance is 650mm, not 630mm. Maximum aperture drops to F/6.7, which in daylight is no problem at all.

The quality seems reasonable too. I know that the 1.4x is good on the 200-400, but I never expected the 1.7x to also work very well.

That 1.7x TC-17E II was a very pleasant surprise. I was going to do some aerial photography tomorrow, but threatening thunderstorms would have had us grounded anyway (Bell 206B3) - so I got the TC and will do the photos from the top of a building. Worth the expense - and I'll try the aerial stuff at another time.

[Edited 2010-01-25 02:01:14 by cpd]

User currently offlineAlberto Riva From United States of America, joined May 2002, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9958 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 6):
The result? Autofocus actually works perfectly with no difference to normal,

And you know what will blow you away even MORE? That the TC-20e will autofocus too! At least some of the time. (More than 50% in my experience with the AFS 300/4.) Slow focus, no doubt, but it works. I was amazed. As for the quality, it's good enough to get shots accepted here, which is a good test of lens sharpness  Smile
A.


User currently offlineYodobashi From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 237 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

My D700 has been begging for this lens since it was announced in 2009.

As you stated, the price has started to come down and yesterday, 'sadly', I had a moment of weakness .... in the next hour or so, the delivery man will arrive and hand over the goods!

To say that I am slightly excited is an understatement!

I will post back in a day or two and hopefully with some early images. Now I pray for some half decent weather!



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User currently offlineDamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9833 times:



Quoting Yodobashi (Reply 8):
I will post back in a day or two and hopefully with some early images. Now I pray for some half decent weather!

look forward to hearing how you got on? Where did you get it?
Cheers
Damien


User currently offlineiamlucky13 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9362 times:

Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
Nikon recommend that teleconverters should NOT be used with zooms, only with primes.

You've probably mistaken a recommendation against certain models where the rear element of the lens will contact the front element of the teleconverter if used together. Obviously that's bad. I haven't checked, but I think it tends to be lenses with higher zoom ratios.

Also, they're not really recommended for consumer-grade zooms because the apertures end up being so small that shutter speeds are often unacceptably low and the autofocus systems don't work reliably. Even a 1.4x on a 70-300 F/4.5-5.6 ends up having maximum aperture of F/6.3 to F/8. The AF sensors are typically designed to work at F/5.6 at best. Notice in AirlineCritic's link, all of the F/4 lenses say "Autofocus not Possible." However, CPD's experience demonstrates the autofocus limitation is not an absolute.


User currently offlineyodobashi From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 237 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Quoting Damien846 (Reply 9):
look forward to hearing how you got on? Where did you get it?

Yes! It's seems marvellous, unfortunately, there has yet to be any decent photography weather whilst I'm not at work since I had the lens delivered, it has therefore been largely untested other than to check it's all in working order  

I picked mine up at ParkCameras, cheapest I could find in the U.K. after tireless searching, and two days after I took delivery, the price came down by £100. I sent them an email explaining how much I'd spent with them over the years and they refunded me £100! Now that's customer service!

Hopefully I'll be posting more pictures on a.net now I have my new equipment - all I need now is a little   



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User currently offlineLGW340 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9191 times:

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 11):
I picked mine up at ParkCameras, cheapest I could find in the U.K. after tireless searching, and two days after I took delivery, the price came down by £100. I sent them an email explaining how much I'd spent with them over the years and they refunded me £100! Now that's customer service!

Well I may very well have dispatched that for you as I work there! Lol. Hope the lens has turned out well for you!
Cheers
Chris



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User currently offlinedamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting LGW340 (Reply 12):
Well I may very well have dispatched that for you as I work there! Lol. Hope the lens has turned out well for you!

Thats handy to know...as I was looking at Park as them seem to be the cheapest........do you know if they will discount for cash if I turned up at the shop rather than shopped online?
Cheers
Damien


User currently offlineLGW340 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Quoting damien846 (Reply 13):
Thats handy to know...as I was looking at Park as them seem to be the cheapest........do you know if they will discount for cash if I turned up at the shop rather than shopped online?
Cheers
Damien

That would be difficult because believe it or not, we make next to nothing on the cameras and lenses themselves to compete with internet prices however we can do money off filters etc. The lens may be slightly more expensive in store however, if you ask, we will do it for our website price.
Cheers
Chris



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User currently offlinedamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

Thanks Chris................

User currently offlinedamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Well I did it in the end...............
First shot here!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tupperware_pilot/4363347070/

Just need the weather in the UK to get better! This weekend does not look great...but this evening might be nice...but cold!

So far I'm very happy!


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

Quoting iamlucky13 (Reply 10):
link, all of the F/4 lenses say "Autofocus not Possible." However, CPD's experience demonstrates the autofocus limitation is not an absolute.

I got to try it out on planes - and it's not bad, although the weather has been shocking of recent times.  

So no real proper photos that I want to upload - but this is one example taken in shocking weather:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/84239/phpX9alUl.jpeg

You'd never believe how far away that plane was - it was so far away I could barely see the major details of it with my eyes.


User currently offlineyodobashi From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 237 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8699 times:

Oh dear .... after a couple of trips out with mine and bumping into a fellow photographer, I was alerted to a potential problem with this lens. Upon inspection, I found that the problems were indeed present in my copy, and at quite a noticable level. Check out these pictures:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4375355874_e48b7b06a3_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4375355948_7be0b567bb_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4012/4374605507_e259dbb869_o.jpg

See also the manufacturers statement regarding these problems:

http://nikoneurope-en.custhelp.com/a...etail/a_id/45930/c/241/r_id/127673

Whilst the press release states that thee will be no dust released into the barrel, you can clearly see that this is not the case with my copy.

Sadly, having invested £1,650 in what should be a premium lens, I would accept only 100% perfection.

I have since returned the lens and have received a full refund and will now wait to see what Nikon do with future batches of this product before considering a repurchase.

Has anyone else got the same issues??



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