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New Sigma Lenses: 50-500 / 70-200 With OS  
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 12370 times:

Hi all,

I thought this will be of interest to the folks here. Sigma announced a bunch of new Sigma lenses today. Most interesting ones for the crowd here are the updated "Bigma" and 70-200 f2.8, both now with Optical Stabilization:

Sigma APO 50-500mm f4.5-6.3 DG OS HSM: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022010sigma50mm500mm.asp
Sigma APO 70-200mm f2.8 EX DG OS HSM: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022016sigma70mm200mm.asp

They also announced a new ultra-wide for crop sensors that goes wider than all its competitors:

Sigma 8-16mm f4.5-5.6 DC HSM: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022011sigma8mm16mm.asp

as well as two others (included here for completeness):

Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 EX DC OS HSM: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022014sigma17mm50mm.asp
Sigma 85mm f1.4 EX DG HSM: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10022015sigma85mm.asp

Tony


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User currently offlineromeoKC10FE From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12374 times:

You beat me to it, yeah that's great that the spotters favorite lens ( the bigma ) finally has been upgraded with OS.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12368 times:

So this is a non EX lens? Wonder what that will mean for the image quality?

But yes, the 50-500 badly needed OS - especially since it is such a slow lens. I now use a huge zoom with a 1.7x TC, and the maximum aperture is only F/6.7 now - so in low light I find that I'm using ISO1600 or ISO2500 and every bit of careful panning I can manage with the tripod. It's tricky, even with VR that it does have.

The 8-16mm looks interesting.

[Edited 2010-02-20 21:29:30]

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12367 times:

Quoting romeoKC10FE (Reply 1):
You beat me to it,

Sorry!  
Quoting cpd (Reply 2):
So this is a non EX lens? Wonder what that will mean for the image quality?

That's an interesting observation, Chris! The original Bigma was an EX lens. However, the new one doesn't seem to have the "EX" designation and no gold ring on the picture either...

Tony



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User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12318 times:
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Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):
That's an interesting observation, Chris! The original Bigma was an EX lens. However, the new one doesn't seem to have the "EX" designation and no gold ring on the picture either...

Hmm, odd. Maybe they went down a grade on glass so they could offer OS for the same price as the old lens? Not that I have seen any prices yet.

8-16mm sound very nice, on paper. Their 8mm prime shows a high amount of color fringing in the edges of the image, and I expect there to be even more on a super wide zoom like that.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12317 times:

Funny story relating to the EX badge and ring, when I had my old 50-500, one professional (or maybe semi-pro) photographer saw the lens one afternoon and asked about it - he had used Sigma EX lenses and noticed the ring around it. I dismissively suggested that the ring and the EX was little more than a marketing ploy on that lens.

Maybe Sigma thought the same thing too and left the EX designation for the more exotic lenses. PS - wish they'd ditch that painted finish.


User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12305 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 2):
So this is a non EX lens? Wonder what that will mean for the image quality?

Probably nothing.
I am told that the "EX" part in the new Sigma policy is used for F4 and faster glass only.
So the 80-400 EX(os) went to 120-400(os) and 150-500(os) without EX already.

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
Sigma APO 70-200mm f2.8 EX DG OS HSM:

Apart from adding OS the best news of this lens is that they have dropped the "macro" part again, hurray
So now after a year or 6 I can finally replace my first gen 70-200/2.8 with this new 4th generation.
It took Sigma a while to see the light but I'm happy they finally did.

Now I'm just waiting for them to add OS on the 500/4.5 and if they do I'll be in the shop the very next day  



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
So the 80-400 EX(os) went to 120-400(os) and 150-500(os) without EX

Yeah, when they went from the 80-400 to the 120-400 / 150-500 they dropped three things:

- EX designation
- price
- (sadly) image quality

I guess that they could not justify having the price close to 100-400 (as everyone would buy Canon's!), so they had to drop something...

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 6):
I am told that the "EX" part in the new Sigma policy is used for F4 and faster glass only.

Their web site says:

"The exterior of this lens is EX-finished to denote the superior build and optical quality, and to enhance its appearance."

So, like Canon's L designation, is not only about image quality, but also about build quality.

Tony



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Has anyone seen prices for the new lenses?

Tony



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12148 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 7):
Their web site says:

"The exterior of this lens is EX-finished to denote the superior build and optical quality, and to enhance its appearance."

Haha, that's very funny indeed, flaking finishes and all on EX Sigma lenses. Mine spent near 3 months in Japan having the lens barrel replaced. On the day it returned - it was traded in.

And that concluded my dealings with Sigma and their local distributor C.R. Kennedy (who at least could have returned my numerous phone calls).

[Edited 2010-02-22 00:44:50]

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12133 times:

Sigma's 120-400 and 150-500 definitely aren't EX pieces, and the relatively poor reviews are testimony to this. If it ain't got EX written on the box, it ain't EX in the box!

Karl


User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12116 times:
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At least for me, I'm not concerned with the OS Bigma. I just bought the Sony 70-400G telezoom, and my Bigma will be sold to any Alpha/Minolta user who wants it.

I do think it's interesting that they sacrificed some aperture performance on the OS Bigma. f/4.5-6.3? My Bigma is at f/6.3 at 200mm. I wonder if they rejiggered the steps at all? Also, I thought 86mm filters were expensive (hence why I never bought one). Now they want people to fork out for 92mm ones?



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User currently offlinesmallende From Argentina, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

7 days ago I acquired the bigma (but the old model),   

Quoting dvincent (Reply 11):
Now they want people to fork out for 92mm ones

I read that the filter diameter is 95mm,Very expensive and very difficult to get one, especially in this part of the world.
I hope to achieve good results, replace the nikkor 70/300D
  


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Quoting dvincent (Reply 11):
Also, I thought 86mm filters were expensive (hence why I never bought one). Now they want people to fork out for 92mm ones?

Dan, interesting info from the press release:

"The filter size of this lens is f95mm and the lens is supplied with a step down ring enabling digital cameras with an APS-C size image sensor to use an Diameter 86mm filter."

And this made me laugh:

"It is not possible to use a Polarizing filter with the step down ring. If you attach a Polarizing filter, you may not be able to remove it from the lens again."

Tony

[Edited 2010-02-22 08:19:18]


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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12054 times:
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Quoting SNATH (Reply 13):
Dan, interesting info from the press release:

"The filter size of this lens is f95mm and the lens is supplied with a step down ring enabling digital cameras with an APS-C size image sensor to use an Diameter 86mm filter."

That's even worse!



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 7):
Their web site says:
"The exterior of this lens is EX-finished to denote the superior build and optical quality, and to enhance its appearance."
So, like Canon's L designation, is not only about image quality, but also about build quality.

I was aware of that but still all new designed lenses slower than F4 are going to loose their EX badge so I am told.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 7):
Yeah, when they went from the 80-400 to the 120-400 / 150-500 they dropped three things:
- EX designation
- price
- (sadly) image quality
I guess that they could not justify having the price close to 100-400 (as everyone would buy Canon's!), so they had to drop something...

Never worked with the 120-400 nor 150-500 so I can't really comment on that, I do like my 80-400 even though it lacks HSM
Here in the Netherlands the price for the 80-400 has never been in the neighborhood of the 100-400, I paid about 60% of that for a new example some 3 years ago.
The new version are quite a bit cheaper indeed, a new 120-400 will do less than a second hand 80-400  



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11976 times:

Quoting dvincent (Reply 14):
That's even worse!

Yeah, if I paid $200-$250 on a good polarizer and it got stuck on the step-down ring I would really not be very impressed.

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 15):
Never worked with the 120-400 nor 150-500 so I can't really comment on that,

I have a feeling that the 150-500 is based on the 120-400. First, look at the shape: they are very similar, minus an extension the 150-500 has at the front. Also, the focal length of the 150-500 is exactly 25% more than the 120-400 (both at the bottom / top end) and it's also a 1/3 of a stop slower too. No wonder the quality of the 150-500 at the long end is supposed to be very poor.

Tony



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11974 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 13):
Dan, interesting info from the press release:

"The filter size of this lens is f95mm and the lens is supplied with a step down ring enabling digital cameras with an APS-C size image sensor to use an Diameter 86mm filter."

And this made me laugh:

"It is not possible to use a Polarizing filter with the step down ring. If you attach a Polarizing filter, you may not be able to remove it from the lens again."

That's just silly stuff.   How can they really expect to be taken seriously when they do things like that...


User currently offlineP38Ace From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11790 times:

Well I am going to a Heritage Day in Tucson and I rented a Sigma 150-500 OS and I am very excited will let you know how the pictures turnout.

User currently offlinevishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 11784 times:



Its out already ?
Even the Sigma Lenses page dosent show it - http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/telephoto-zoom-lenses?page=99


User currently offlineP38Ace From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 11776 times:

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/150-500mm-f5-63-apo-dg-os-hsm-sigma

User currently offlinevishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting P38Ace (Reply 20):
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/150-500mm-f5-63-apo-dg-os-hsm-sigma

Thats the Vun Phipty - Phive Hundred sir   


User currently offlineP38Ace From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

I am confused. lol oh well I am still exxcited....

User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11330 times:
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Amazon's taking preorders on the new Bigma. The OS Bigma comes in at the cool cost of $1,600 wing-wangs. Get those bank accounts rolling!

All variants are the same price.

http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-50-500mm...=electronics&qid=1267971440&sr=8-4

[Edited 2010-03-07 06:27:49]


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User currently offlinevishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 468 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11299 times:

A little too pricey & especially so when the aperture closes so fast at Focal Length increments, as Dan previously posted - f6.3 by 200mm      

User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 25, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11295 times:
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Quoting vishaljo (Reply 24):
A little too pricey & especially so when the aperture closes so fast at Focal Length increments, as Dan previously posted - f6.3 by 200mm      

Keep in mind, that is the old Bigma. The new Bigma has a less ambitious range of f/4.5-6.3 and also has a lot more glass. It's possible that they've adjusted that.



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