irish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 950 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
If you take a look at some of the well-known auction sites you will see that there is certainly a healthy trade in slides, with rare items changing hands for significant enough sums. (It's nice to know that one's slide collection probably has a reasonable monetary value, even though I have no intention of disposing of mine!) I know very few people who are still taking only slides and the slides for sale are often ten or more years old. I guess the trading that used to take place in slides of the latest such-and-such must have changed a lot, with the advent of the Internet and our ability to view up-to-the-minute images of new liveries, airlines etc.
Midway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
I still do slide photography mainly in the Chicago area whenever I get the chance. I still enjoy the hobby and even sell a few on the dedicated sites. If you are interested in any particular slides, contact me and I will see what I have. I have noticed that there are very few in the US still doing this, and I am probably one of only two still shooting slides in the whole Chicago area. I do hope the hobby comes back to a bigger degree one day, but it is too hard to predict.
soon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
I simply asked a question...a simple "no" would suffice...as usual, the condescending response...as a matter of fact, whether anyone trades off medium format transparencies or not, frame mounts are produced for medium transparencies and reply #4 and #7 does imlpy that individuals still are shooting film...
Midway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4177 times:
Yes, I do still collect and trade slides by means of local aviations shows or by auction sites. I am not as active as I was 4-5 years ago, but when I see something old or new that I don't have I gladly pick them up. There are usually a few slide guys at the local shows, but very few buyers. Actually, I have noticed this even when I started collecting around the late 90s. It seems like the hobby has been slowing dying here in the US over the past five years, but it is not dead yet. I have known many guys that scanned their old slides and sold them afterwards. I intend to do the same, but I plan to keep my slides indefinately.
timdegroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3674 posts, RR: 66 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
The hobby is not dead but there is no growth. There are no new (or very few) entrants to the hobby I think and the fact that Kodachrome is over doesnt exactly help the situation either. It will keep on going for years and years but the glory days are over and wont return.
I already stopped collecting a few years ago. Digital and a more creative path were more to my liking. My father still collects and shoots but not anywhere near the same level as a few years ago, a lot of what he does is digital now as well
Quoting Midway DC9-10 (Reply 3): I do hope the hobby comes back to a bigger degree one day, but it is too hard to predict.
I would say that is out of the question really...
I really enjoyed my time in the slide hobby and I think I was pretty succesful in it too going by how well my slides did at the conventions. There was nothing like nailing a perfectly exposed full frame actionshot and then sell one frame and already recoup the film costs. I'll treasure those slides forever but I dont think I'll ever actively participate in the slide hobby.
jid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 966 posts, RR: 34 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4130 times:
I still shoot roll film, never thought about trading them though. Just did the UK's largest photo trade show and I was selling B&W roll film, we ran out after 2 days! Students loved, so lets hope it is not dead or dieing but maybe even growing!!
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A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4111 times:
Royal, et al,
The slide collecting hobby is, as Tim mentions, pretty stagnant at the moment. I went over to the MUC convention a few weeks back and the group of collectors there remained the same as last year (averaging 50 or so while the FRA Fall convention will be near 125 attending). Very few new entrants, which of course is a shame, however for those who are wondering about "entering" the realm of collecting, or shooting slides, the majority of us collecting are looking at Fuji Provia 100F as the new benchmark film once K64 (and remaining K25) processing goes away at the end of this year.
The Fuji film's biggest benefit at the moment is it's price. K64, at it's last benchmark price in 2009, was around 10.95/roll USD without processing. Add a 10 dollar/roll processing thru Dwayne's and a 1 dollar "Kodak" stamp that they offer and you are looking at 21.95/roll. Fuji Provia 100F, with processing mailers that Dwayne's accepts, runs 10.38/roll. All of the major slide lists (Avimage, AviationTrade, Udo Schaefer's, etc.) are accepting Provia 100F shots so for those who want to tinker with the film, it may be worth your while.
The biggest problem that fleet collectors have these days is the lack of slide photographers worldwide. Many times, an A320 will be painted up, flown for a few months and returned to the original airline with only a digital shot to prove it. The frustration mounts (pun intended!) with every passing month. Europe for the most part is covered, the US only has about 5-10 actively shooting slides and Canada still has a couple. So for those in places like Asia (especially China!), South America and Russia, those who decided to shoot slides could really earn some extra cash that could lead to better digital products for their bag.
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
N314AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4091 times:
With the advance of digital photography, slide "shooting" is basically down to just a few in the hobby. Kodachrome ceased last year but Fuji still makes a line of very fine slide film. We do not know the archival life of Fuji film but so far, it has pretty good results, especially Fuji Provia 100F. Today's slide shooters are using the Provia film. There are still advantages of slide shooting even though the market is thin. 1. It teaches you good photography. The majority of digital photographers still make fatal mistakes like shooting props at high speeds freezing them and over-cropping the image to make it fit. Slide film teaches to do it the right way (It is still a good learning tool....like training wheels on a bicycle). 2. The film, if stored properly, can last a lifetime. Remember, digital files can be lost over the years if not backed up every few seasons. Computers, external drives, CDs, and DVDs may fail. The digital backup process is a job in itself, especially when shooting high resolution large files like raw (I hope you are all doing that). 3. It may still be used in some court cases where original media is necessary.
On the collectors side, remember that basically all aviation photographs pre-2000 were on slide and print film. Older slides or hot new slides of rare subjects still sell for high amounts of dollars. They are the only original records of past aviation and that all depends if the owner wants to scan the slide into a digital file for everyone to use it! There are many slide conventions in the world starting with the largest which is Frankfurt in November to Munich, Paris, and all the way to our Miami Slide Fest (which will now be open to digital photographers for 2011 in a new big program). All shows have been very successful of late showing that there is still interest in slides. Three major websites are also dedicated to slide auctions. In one site, the top slide sold recently for over $900.00. Others have sold for up to $600.00....all depending on subject, age, and rarity.
Again, the shooting part of slides is basically down to a thin amount of photographers including myself. I basically use slides on special shots only such at setups, clean backgrounds, some flyby action, and aerials. These also get digital treatment which saves me scanning.
A note to old collectors: Be careful of getting suckered by someone who wants to buy your vintage slides for cheap.
There are some out there that will tell you they have no value so you practically give it to them only to turn around and see that they sell them on the auctions for lots of money. You've been fooled! If you have slides, especially pre 1975 and little damage (good sun, sharp) , they may be good money to sell on the auction sites. Of course, that is all up to you too!
saintex From Canada, joined Apr 2009, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
Quoting N314AS (Reply 16): The film, if stored properly, can last a lifetime. Remember, digital files can be lost over the years if not backed up every few seasons. Computers, external drives, CDs, and DVDs may fail.
Yes, I have some slides which are almost 50 years old and they are still as bright and sharp as the day they were developed. What will be the storage media of digital images in 50 years' time ? If it's anything like music over the last few decades, you will have to convert a number of times (vinyl, tape, CD. MP3 etc.).
And my slide collection has never 'crashed', making it inaccessible. Sunshine and a hand-held viewer.
N314AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4006 times:
saintex - yes, I also have slides that are close to 60 years of age. My oldest aviation slide dates back to the late 50s. My travel slides date to the 1940s including a Nat Geo-style collection of American Native and western USA from the 1940s. The colors are the same as if it were taken today. Fantastic. Basically, good storage in a metal slide box with a bag of silica gel will do the trick. The storage room should be free of humidity, high heat, and mold/dust. You can always scan the image on the latest available gadget for scanning. The results of Fuji Provia are good and I have shot with this film periodically for the past few years but we still don't know the archival life of this film. It would be hard to compete with Kodachrome. Fuji made some really terrible slide film in the past like Fuji 50. A duplicate slide had less grain than that!
Agfa and others are no good. Too grainy....too soft.
Midway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3856 times:
I will say this. I was so frustrated with all the ruined rolls of K64 in the early to mid 2000s, that I personally tried out Provia when It was launched as a new film. I have shot many subjects with both films and in many cases, found the Provia slide to be more attractive. This is especially true with days where sun is not the very best, but you still want the shot.
I remember hearing from so many collectors regarding K64 only for slides, or I would be stuck with my slides. Luckily, I picked the right film and I have been able to sell/trade the Provia slides. I have no regrets about this as I would have wasted so much time, money and personal memories had I stuck my K64.
As for achivalness; I have been shooting with this film for about 10 years now, and I have not seen one slide with any degradation. I know this is not 40 or 50 years, but it is a good start.
You mentioned how so little is covered by Airline type or Airplane type without US slide photographers. Also, there are many airports or airport scenes not covered as well.
dacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
I'm still shooting (Provia 100 and Velvia 50) and collecting slides. I still have about 40 rolls of K64 to process so I need to get off my butt and get them done. Just shot the latest C-17A (on Velvia 50) here in Long Beach a couple days ago as a matter of fact. I get funny looks at LAX when shooting slides on the "Hill" as everyone there mainly shoots digital and can't figure out why this old fart (me) is shooting something that can't be seen immediately.
Keep those slides going guys, we still need stuff for Eddys show in January.
flight From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 317 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
Nothing related to this topic, but If you get the chance go Eddies show in Miami, there you can still find several slide traders, with a auction in them. I am a very good friend with him, and he actually shoot a couple this past month , He says that the days are numbered for slides, but check it out....
dacman From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 444 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
I shoot mainly airliners, but I shoot C-17's as they are made in my backyard (well a couple miles away from my backyard) at Long Beach Airport (LGB/KLGB) and it is still a DAC/MDC aircraft to me though the building says Boeing. I shoot digital as well (Canon 10D and 40D) but I love my Canon EOS 3 which shoots at 6 FPS.
I plan to be in Miami next January for Eddies show as I have missed it the past few years.
Did you attend the LAX AI in 2004? If so I was the guy that set-up all the tours and we had a blast.