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Nikon D90 Vs Canon 500D  
User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5696 times:

Heya guys.

Just wanted to hear what you guys with the cameras have to say and I would like to find out which is best for all round perfromances like Filming and most obviously, modelling, nah, joking, of course photography! 

Cheers folks!

-Alf


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

The D90 is in a higher class than the 500D but whether it's better or not I don't know. Both have had very good reviews so I'd suggest trying them out in a shop to see which best suits your style.

This C vs. N argument is always null in my opinion as both manufacturers make excellent (and equal) cameras. Either or and I'm sure you'd be happy.

Karl


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

I agree with Karl.
If it helps you though, I am a happy D90 user.

[Edited 2010-05-10 11:14:59]


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User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

Hi,

Ok, great, so I'm sure I won't be disappointed with either! Which camera has the best/ widest range of excellent lenses available? I assume Canon with their L lenses....

-Alf



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4767 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5636 times:
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A buddy of mine has a D90 and it's impressive. Sometimes I tell myself if I had to start over, I would go with the D90. And I'm a Canon guy.  


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5634 times:

I'm of the opinion that Nikon build slightly better bodies, however Canon's lens line-up is second to none. It's a matter of personal preference as opposed to one being superior to the other.

Perhaps unfair to compare the D90 to the 500D however as they are not in the same market sector. A fairer comparison would probably be D90/50D.

Karl


User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5):
Perhaps unfair to compare the D90 to the 500D however as they are not in the same market sector. A fairer comparison would probably be D90/50D.

Karl

Hmmm.... I would say the Canon 550D....

Anyway, looks like the Canon 500D is the way to go!

-Alf



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

The 550D is essentially a 500D replacement and although spec-wise it's superior to the D90 the D90 is still in a class above. As the 40D did with the 50 the 500 will sit next to its better sibling until Canon pull it. Try comparing the speed of the D90 or 50D to that of a 500 or 550D - you'll soon notice the difference.

Karl


User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Okay. But, money doesn't grow on trees so I'd say the Canon 500D is my best choice....

-Alf



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

The Canon may be your best choice irrespective of money. The D90 may be in a class above but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better overall. There are many very happy EOS 500D users here.

Don't forget also that what lens you attach is equally (if not more) important than the camera itself; and Canon certainly can't be knocked for their lens selection.

Most importantly, image quality is ultimately down to how good the photographer is. Equipment can only ever be as good as its operator.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4767 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5529 times:
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Two things I like better about the D90 versus my Canon 40D are the D90s ability to produce some very vibrant and colorful images out of the camera and the D90's amazingly clean images, even at high ISOs. It's a sweet camera and in my opinion (keep in mind I'm a Canon shooter), if you are starting out fresh and you are choosing from the cameras mentioned in your post, if you can afford it, get the D90.. But if you are already a Canon or Nikon DSLR shooter, stick with your current brand since you probably already have compatible lenses.


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

I have said that I feel the D90 is probably the better camera but can we bear lenses in mind here as they're pretty important too? Clean and punchy images are perhaps more to do with good glass than the camera body, and getting similar images with a Canon would simply require a few of the parameters changing. Images straight from the camera are judged by personal preference so what one person likes may displease others. I'm not trying to put anyone off the Nikon but fact is we have to make sure any advice is fair and impartial.

I will say again - ultimately one is not better than the other. This whole C vs. N thing is not only pointless but carries absolutely no weight. The 'better' one is whichever feels right in your hands; whichever has the most comfortable menu system; and whichever delivers the type of default images you want. Additionally, your budget is also a factor. More often than not recommendations here are pretty conmfusing and if anything will lead to a rushed and ill-informed decision.

Having said that, I'm sure you'd be happy whichever you chose.

Karl


User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5517 times:

Many thanks guys.

I think I'll go for the Canon 500D!

-Alfie



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4767 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5508 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
I have said that I feel the D90 is probably the better camera but can we bear lenses in mind here as they're pretty important too? Clean and punchy images are perhaps more to do with good glass than the camera body

Karl, the points I made were judgements on the bodies. If Canon lenses were far superior to Nikon's then I would agree with you. But it's not like Nikon doesn't make quality glass. I'm often just as impressed with photographs taken by Nikons as I am with Canons. In addition, third party lenses can also produce mind-blowing results.

I believe the only lens argument in favor of Canon is that they have a larger variety. That's more to do with finding the right lens for the job than about quality. But Nikon is well covered in the most commonly needed focal ranges anyway so that's not a big factor. Nikon guys....is it?!

Like I said earlier, if you are someone that is starting out fresh with no background using either brand, it does not matter which you choose and it's not limited to Canon or Nikon. Just, whatever you do go with, that's who you will most likely want to stick with because as you grow as a photographer, you will become invested in that brand. You can have equal success with whichever brand you ultimately choose.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
I'm not trying to put anyone off the Nikon but fact is we have to make sure any advice is fair and impartial.

Well since I'm a Canon shooter, I thought I was being fair and impartial by recommending a non-Canon camera.  

[Edited 2010-05-11 12:32:16]


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
If Canon lenses were far superior to Nikon's then I would agree with you

Where did I say that Canon's were better? I simply said that image quality is more determined by glass than by the body - irrespective of whether one uses C or N. Where one produces better results at the default settings there'll always be a way for the other to emulate it with a few adjustments. 'Straight from camera' results are often down to personal taste and can't be properly compared between lenses, let alone brands. Let's face it, both C and N produce fabulous images and with both there's the need for at least a little tinkering to get them to a satisfactory standard. Are you saying you don't agree with this?

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
I believe the only lens argument in favor of Canon is that they have a larger variety

Fact. And I've never claimed anything but this.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
Well since I'm a Canon shooter, I thought I was being fair and impartial by recommending a non-Canon camera

Fair and impartial advice isn't just about recommending what you don't shoot with.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 10):
Two things I like better about the D90 versus my Canon 40D are the D90s ability to produce some very vibrant and colorful images out of the camera and the D90's amazingly clean images, even at high ISOs

I may be being a little picky here but doesn't a camera's ability to produce good default images rely heavily on the lens? I dare say the 40D could be set up to give almost the same results?

I'm really not slating your advice - it's good but I think folks new to this need to be given the whole picture without any bias whatsoever. That's why I ultimately recommend going into a shop and trying them. The best camera and quality will be determined by the individual's own preferences, and the best camera will be the one they leave the shop clutching.

Finally, I do agree with you that the D90 is a great piece of kit and betters many equivalent Canons. I still don't think that such an observation is good basis for opting for that particular model without considering others however. Similarly, it's my opinion that C's entry-level cameras (especially the current line-up) wipe the floor with their N counterparts, but again that doesn't mean that a budget N isn't the best option for someone.

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

Ryan and Karl, thanks very much for the excellent feedback! I shall go into a shop and see what feels best in my hands.

Many thanks again,

-Alfie



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4767 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5485 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 14):
Where did I say that Canon's were better? I simply said that image quality is more determined by glass than by the body - irrespective of whether one uses C or N. Where one produces better results at the default settings there'll always be a way for the other to emulate it with a few adjustments. 'Straight from camera' results are often down to personal taste and can't be properly compared between lenses, let alone brands. Let's face it, both C and N produce fabulous images and with both there's the need for at least a little tinkering to get them to a satisfactory standard. Are you saying you don't agree with this?

I apologize Karl. I misunderstood your point. I thought you were saying that lenses matter more and that Canon has the better lenses.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 14):
Let's face it, both C and N produce fabulous images and with both there's the need for at least a little tinkering to get them to a satisfactory standard. Are you saying you don't agree with this?

I agree with that.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 14):
I may be being a little picky here but doesn't a camera's ability to produce good default images rely heavily on the lens? I dare say the 40D could be set up to give almost the same results?

You may be correct. But my feelings toward the D90 come from my experience with helping a friend who started from nothing, no photographic background, who purchased the D90 as his very first camera. He got with it, a standard kit zoom and right from the get go, I was really impressed with what that camera was producing. After spending a lot of time helping him shoot and edit photos, I came to the conclusion that his camera produces much cleaner images overall and things like color have so much pop that I cannot produce similar results without tinkering with my images in post-processing. And that's with a 40D and a couple of L lenses.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4767 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5477 times:
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Quoting pilotalltheway (Reply 15):
I shall go into a shop and see what feels best in my hands.

Ahh, many here would be proud. Good answer!  

No prob man, let us know what you choose.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Don't forget though that many people may argue that clean and crisp images are too 'over-processed' straight from the camera. All DSLRs these days are designed to take advantage of post-processing with the likes of Photoshop et al. The 1000D produces outstanding results by default and I personally like them but I know people who have found them a little too 'processed'. On the other hand, I believe N's kit lenses are of a better quality than C's so it could well be down to the lens(es).

I'd imagine there is some way to make your 40D images comparable. I've always managed to tinker and find ways of making default images similar. You can probably tell I have way too much free time on my hands.....

Karl


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

I have a D90. Extremely pleased with it. My best friend has a Canon 50D (just about equal to the D90, except for a few more MP and less features overall), and we compared photos side by side of the same subjects. Photo quality was pretty much equal.

However, I found the Canon (and all the other C's I've handled for that matter) very heavy and much bulkier than the D90, it seems very poorly balanced, even with a small lens. I've found Nikons in general to be much lighter, more ergonomic/comfortable and better balanced, without feeling any cheaper built or more flimsy at all (quite the contrary). The Canons, specially the upper level models, just feel too 80's, IMO.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

The comparison to the 50D I think is a fair one - it has more MP but less features. See now I on the other hand like the bulkiness of Canon's mid and upper-level bodies - they feel substantial in my hands. Guess it's each to his (or her?) own but | do admit that Canon's entry-level cameras, although currently market leaders, do feel a bit naff to hold.

Karl


User currently offlinepilotalltheway From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):
You can probably tell I have way too much free time on my hands.....

As a DJ, I'm sure there are times when you do! 
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
Guess it's each to his (or her?) own but | do admit that Canon's entry-level cameras, although currently market leaders, do feel a bit naff to hold.

A he in this case.  I am assuming you are not classing the 500D as en entry-level camera? Or are you? It being the third cheapest of the current cameras (1000D, 450D, 500D)...

-Alf



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Alfie,

Yes, the 500D is essentially one of Canon's four entry-level cameras, despite the specifications of something much more grand. The others of course are 1000D, 450D and 550D; although the 1000D is Canon's true beginners' model.

While the 450/500/550D have pretty high spec's for semi-budget models they do feel less solidly built than their bigger siblings, however build quality luckily doesn't affect overall performance. Do bear in mind too that budget models (regardless of who makes them) are never going to be as fast as their more expensive counterparts. Then again if you've never been used to the speed of something like a 40D you're not going to miss it! If you're coming from a P&S compact then even the slowest of DSLRs is going to feel lightning quick!

You seem to have the 500D at the back of your mind so follow your instincts and go with that (once you've had a play with one of course). Usually your gut feeling is the right one and you can't go wrong with the 500D. Do however consider also the 1000D and 450D, as the savings you make could be put towards better glass.

Two very good friends of mine (who also happen to be fellow A.net uploaders) use the 1000D and 450D respectively. Some of their pic's can be seen by following these links...

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot..._id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot..._id+desc&page_limit=15&thumbnails=

Just bear in mind that they both use decent glass.

Karl


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