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LHR Spotting Trip June 19th 2010  
User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Hi,

Next Saturday June 19th I have planned my first trip to LHR in almost five years. I'm flying into LHR on BA0389 BRU-LHR and I'll head back to Belgium on BA0404 LHR-BRU the same day.

In the past few years I have noticed that not only the airport itself has evolved quite a bit (T5 for instance), but also the scheduled traffic at LHR (eg A380's).

To make sure I make the most out of my day at LHR I have done some homework, looked up historic data of the last few weeks and months and I have tried to come up with some sort of 'spotting schedule'.

For me it appears to be interesting to photography arrivals in the morning (especially the AF A380!), try to catch some departures around noon (eg QF 744, AF A380, ...) and then head back to the arrivals.

Currently I have the following scenarios, depending on the runway usage:


Scenario A. - 09L/09R

Morning: 09L Arrivals Spot
Arrival of eg UL0505 (A340), AF1980 (A380), EK0001 (A380)

Noon: Myrtle Avenue Grass Area
Departure of QF0032, AF1981 (A380), SQ0317 (A380), EK0002 (A380), EY0020 (A340)

Afternoon: 09L Arrivals Spot
Arrival of IT0007, 9W0118, TG0916, IT0001, WY0101, SQ0318 (A380)


Scenario B. - 27L/27R

According to my sources, 27L will be used for arrivals in the morning, switching to 27R from 3pm

Morning: Myrtle Avenue Grass Area / Southern Perimeter Road
Arrival of eg UL0505 (A340), AF1980 (A380), EK0001 (A380)

Noon: to be determined
Departure of QF0032, AF1981 (A380), SQ0317 (A380), EK0002 (A380), EY0020 (A340)

Afternoon: 27R Arrivals Spot
Arrival of IT0007, 9W0118, TG0916, IT0001, WY0101, SQ0318 (A380)

Although the Esso station is nice for 27L departures, I don't see much interesting traffic departing 27L in the early afternoon, and for me arriving traffic seems to be more interesting after 3pm



Now I still have some questions:

* Is there a location to photograph 27R departures around noon (so best south of the RWY), apart from the spots at the perimeter road (facing south   ). If not, I would have to make use of the perimeter road photo location and eg walk from Hatton Cross to the 27R perimeter road photography spot. Is it still possible to walk through the mx hangars between 27L and 27R?

* Does anybody know by heart the buses I should take from T5 to Hatton Cross? I think it should be either 482 or 490. In case of 09L/09R, I think I can first walk from T5 to the 09L arrivals spot, but then I'll have to walk back to T5 and take the bus to Hatton Cross (and back, in the afternoon).

Taking some posts on this forum in the past, I don't think it's an option to try to take some photos from Feltham Park.

* Is there a website with a general timetable of scheduled traffic into/out of LHR?

All advice, tips and hints are much appreciated. Thanks in advance! And feel free to pray for some decent weather.

Best regards,
Ivan

[Edited 2010-06-15 15:25:58]


Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
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User currently offlineFlyingfox27 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

You could get the Train to Clapham Junction and change there for a train to Feltham Park, i usually walk from T5 to the 09L field (15 minute walk) and Esso Garage 27L takeoffs (30 minute walk)

For the 27s arrivals i walk 10 minutes to Myrtle Avenue or Bedfont Football Ground and for 27R i walk for 15 minutes around the hangars and stop on the northeast corner of LHR.


User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Can someone say exactly how to get from T5 to the 09L field? I looked at it before but on google earth it just looks like a mass of busy main roads witout any real obvious way to get to the field.


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User currently offlinemirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Free buses around LHR: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20files/travel_around_Heathrow.pdf

Walking from T5 to 09L field:

http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab91/rosa_luis/Untitled-1-2.jpg

Luis


User currently offlinealasdair1982 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2008, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

I find the north side of the departures level at T5 by the smoking shelter better for 09L as you are more side on rather than looking up.

User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Hi,

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 1):
You could get the Train to Clapham Junction and change there for a train to Feltham Park, i usually walk from T5 to the 09L field (15 minute walk) and Esso Garage 27L takeoffs (30 minute walk)

For the 27s arrivals i walk 10 minutes to Myrtle Avenue or Bedfont Football Ground and for 27R i walk for 15 minutes around the hangars and stop on the northeast corner of LHR.

Thanks for the useful information. As it appears that heat haze can be an issue this time of the year, I don't think I'll head to Feltham Park. I'd better keep that spot for another trip during late autumn or winter.

Quoting mirage (Reply 3):
Free buses around LHR: http://www.heathrowairport.com/asset...20files/travel_around_Heathrow.pdf

Walking from T5 to 09L field:

Thanks, that appears to be quite handy. And thanks for drawing the path to the 09L spot!

Greets,
Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlinesulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Hi Ivan,

I remember you from a day on 09L, May 22, 2004. I Think there were a load of us there!



James



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

09L arrivals.

The field / embankment is infact across the 2 roads to the left of the first cross on Louis goolemap image. On the bottom left of the image is the main motorway.Before the bridge is IMHO best spot. The embankment. This spot is good until 16.30-17.00. The sun then move round and you will need to walk to cross 2 on the map. This spot is best from 18.00 until 21.00 hrs (at the moment).

Also note "sometimes" aircraft still land on 09R even when 09L is the main arrival runway.

Important note : While shooting from the embankment make sure you do not sit on the motorway barrier. And try to stay 1 meter away from the motorway. It will not effect your photos at all if you do this !! The police have requested this. And warned that if this rule is not self policed , and people keep sitting on the barrier they will make the area off limits.  

Its a pity i will no be at LHR this Saturday. I will be atthe Air Britain fly-in which is on at North weald.



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User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Quoting sulman (Reply 6):
Hi Ivan,

I remember you from a day on 09L, May 22, 2004. I Think there were a load of us there!

Hey James,

Yeah, that's very well possible. Those days I really visited LHR quite a few times, often for more than one day. My last LHR spotting trip was in 2005. Since then I've bought a house, got married and became a father. Apparantly some aircraft geeks actually appear to attract the opposite sex

It would be nice to meet again this Saturday. Feel free to drop by!

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 7):
09L arrivals.

Thanks for the additional comments, LHRSIMON. The last time I was there was in 2005 so indeed things have changed a bit...

Greets,
Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Hi,

I've been doing a bit more research tonight, and I couldn't find any info on ground-to-air photo locations for 27R departures.

Would a spot somewhere along the walk from T5 to the 09L arrivals location be any good for 27R takeoffs (especially for traffic that climbs out slowly)?

Best regards,
Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlinetrackcharlie From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3826 times:

From the 09L field just walk down the road (A3044 Stanwell Moor Road) under the bridge about 100m there is a gate. About here is OK for heavies but other stuff will be too high for decent shots. I took this from this spot with a 70-200mm.





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Having said that, the forecast looks like it's 09L/09R all day tomorrow. Enjoy!


User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting trackcharlie (Reply 10):
From the 09L field just walk down the road (A3044 Stanwell Moor Road) under the bridge about 100m there is a gate. About here is OK for heavies but other stuff will be too high for decent shots. I took this from this spot with a 70-200mm.

Hi,
Thanks for the additional comments. That's very helpful indeed. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, it probably won't matter tomorrow as winds will blow from the east/northeast.

Taking into account the chance of 09L/09R situation tomorrow I'll probably start with arrivals at 09L, then take the bus/tube from T5 to Hatton Cross for some noon departures from Myrtle Avenue and then head back to 09L for the afternoon/evening arrivals on 09L (especially the Asian traffic).

Apparently some traffic tends to land on 09R these days, certainly if they must park at T4. Does anybody know if there is traffic that always lands on 09R, or is it dependant on ATC and/or other conditions during the day?

Best regards,
Ivan



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

No fixed rule at all. Apart from the fact it mainly only happens if its a T4 carrier , cargo or biz Jet. Its 100% down to ATC


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User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 12):
No fixed rule at all. Apart from the fact it mainly only happens if its a T4 carrier , cargo or biz Jet. Its 100% down to ATC

Thanks!

Greets,
Ivan



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting apuneger (Thread starter):

Next Saturday June 19th I have planned my first trip to LHR in almost five years.

Waste of time wasn't it? Cloudy from about 10.00 onwards then a runway change at 13.00.



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User currently offlineLHRSIMON From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 1343 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Air Britain flyin was the same. Cloud from 09.30 onwards. Though we did have 2 sunny spells for 15 minutes , which allowed me to run about and get all the static aircraft. So at least the day wasnt a complete washout.


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User currently offlineapuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 14):
Waste of time wasn't it? Cloudy from about 10.00 onwards then a runway change at 13.00.

Hey,

Yeah, it sure was. I flew in at 7:15AM with almost clear skies. As soon as I arrived at 09L some clouds already appeared on the horizon and by 9:30 most of the sun was obscured   As I noticed an AF Airbus landing on 09R I decided it wouldn't be worth to wait at 09L for the AF A380. So I headed for Hatton Cross, only to see the AF A380 land at ...09L ...  

By the time the SQ A380 and QF 744's would depart, ATC decided to switch to the 27's   Just not my day I guess...

The RWY change and bad weather got me in such a bad mood that I got to the tube and headed for downtown London. But as it appeared that sales had started it quite hectic over there, so soon I headed back for LHR's T5 and ended up taking shots of 27L departures from the departure level. At least I got the Biman 777.

That's the gamble of having to fly to LHR for a spotting day: sometimes the weather's perfect, sometimes it's as bad as last Saturday  

Thanks to all that helped me prepare my trip, and I hope to make it back to LHR soon!

Greets,
Ivan



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