Ilovebelugas From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 41 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
The A380 and A400M have been confirmed for flying on Saturday the 18th September at the Battle of Britain Airshow at Cotswold Airport (Kemble). Tickets are cheap- so all you South West UK peeps- get down there!
GPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 834 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
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I guess I'll be going, then.
I must be the only A.netter NOT to have seen an A380 yet. I have pretty much guaranteed it will now cancel at the last minute. It is a pity that the viewing area is on the North side as it limits the photographic possibilities, but that's ok, it's always well worth a trip to Kemble, sorry Cotwsold Airfield . I've not been to the Battle of Britain show there before but it sounds like a nice event, smaller than the main annual airshow.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5823 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 4262 times:
Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 5): and shows the vast progress we have made in aircraft design since World War II.
Actually we haven't
Pressurised passenger planes were a reasonably well understood technology in 1945, the only real progress made since then has been in size, powerplant reliability and communications!
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
No, but last time I checked I was still a human... and as a human race we have come on leaps and bounds from the humble Spitfire to Concorde to A380's and other modern airliners... To me that's progress, right?
I do not. I was merely engaging in an interesting debate.
We could also discuss Concorde, as an example of aircraft development. It was a significant technological achievement and an aesthetically pleasing aircraft. Nevertheless, only two airlines operated the aircraft, no other airlines ordered it. The two state airlines concerned had their arms twisted by their respective governments and were sold the aircraft at a giveaway price. Even with that, the aircraft made only an operating profit during its life, i.e. it covered its operating costs but no more than that.
It was banned from most prospective routes because of the noise problem.
The 1973 oil crisis and resultant rises in fuel prices meant that the aircraft become horrendously expensive to operate, particularly in view of its relatively limited passenger capacity, so that it was uncompetitive in economic terms with other airliners.
It is significant that no aircraft producer has come forward with a second-generation supersonic airliner. Not because of technological difficulty, but because of market and environmental factors.
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Ah... I remember you now... we used to a lot and disagreed on that subject a lot too.
Quoting viv (Reply 15): No other airlines ordered it. The two state airlines concerned had their arms twisted by their respective governments and were sold the aircraft at a giveaway price.
Not quite... Plenty of airlines ordered Concorde... however all of them cancelled. And both airlines paid full price for 5 of their Concordes and when the remaining 2 on each side of the channel were left unsold, they were then handed over for the symbolic "giveaway price". So while I can see what you're getting at, you weren't quite right with what you said.
Back to the topic before though....
Quoting viv (Reply 15): Please read my posts again. I NEVER said there has been no progress.
My apologies, you're quite right, you never actually said that. So would you agree with me when I said that "we" have come a fair way with aircraft development since the 1940's? This is what I was getting at originally when people decided to debate that....