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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4292 times:
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As I am sure you will know, we can all visit 'Photographer's Corner' to get an update on any comments made on our photos and also see our highest rated photos.

I just did that (after a long time) and was amused to see that my highest rated photo of all is currently this one:


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Photo © Paul Markman


This has a rating of 4.82, with 11 votes.

I like to think that I submit photos of a decent standard, but by no means can this surely be considered worthy of attracting the attention it evidently has amongst voters. It has only been viewed 400-odd times in total. Equally, in the past I have seen a couple of my photos previously well rated suddenly drop significantly, which can only be accounted for by the fact that they got a few really low votes to make such an impact on the overall average.

You may recall this thread which caused something of a stir, to say the least. I have no desire to open up elements of that debate again, but buried in there were some interesting points and I am interested to follow up whether there have been any subsequent thoughts about making any changes to the voting systems that were discussed then (not just for Photographer's Choice).

Not a big deal for many, but the site still reserves space on its Home page for 'Top Rated Photos' and thus this theoretically is a way for photos to get more exposure. That said it seems to me the feature has not been working properly for ages now (as it lists all photos in the database, not just those rated above a particular level in the 'star' system).

Whilst on the subject, it might be interesting to know what your top rated photo is, and whether you are surprised or not to see it rated as such.

All the best.

Paul

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User currently offlineGPHOTO From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 827 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4278 times:
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Photo © Jim Groom



5 stars, 5 votes. Baffles me, it isn't that good!

I often do not understand my top ten highest rated photos, being rated so highly. Most are very ordinary indeed!

Best regards,

Jim



Erm, is this thing on?
User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

With so few votes I'm not sure a rating system has any real significance. Do people know it's there?

The top one of mine with 14k views, 17 ratings giving 4.35 is


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Photo © Andy kennaugh




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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3884 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

It's not easy to devise a rating system that works really well I think. The system in use certainly should not be taken too seriously. It isn't even clear whether one star means an ugly photo, or one still better than average. But that doesn't make the system entirely worthless for me.

I can live with this being my highest rated photo.

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Photo © Peter de Jong


Then again, the #2 is odder.

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Photo © Peter De Jong


And how did this mediocre picture collect 61 ratings? Perhaps the number of photo albums a photo is in, in this case, zero, is a better indicator.

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Photo © Peter De Jong

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 1):

That photo does capture the B-52 nicely.

Peter 

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User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4250 times:
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At this posting, this was my #1 rated photo, at 4.6 with 5 votes.


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Photo © Dan Vincent - New England Airports



For the longest time my first accepted photo (a NW DC-9 on approach to BDL) had a solid 5 stars until someone just had to go and rate it down.


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Photo © Dan Vincent - New England Airports



2.42 in 21 votes for my second most popular photo. Someone's jealous...



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User currently offlinespencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1633 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Hello Paul, how's things mate? I've been struggling with this one too, and I certainly remember the thread you linked!! I also thought something must be wrong as my highest rated pic is of low interest, tbh. Here's the pic in question:

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Photo © Spencer Wilmot


OK, it has some interest, maybe but my highest rated? It could just be not many people are aware of this function?
Spence.



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User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1397 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
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This is my top one, 4.4 with 5 votes, not that hot IMO:

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Photo © Johnny Kristensen




Well, I sometimes get a feeling people are deliberately taking an image down...
This one hade a high rating, but then suddenly dropped to under 3, meaning people were giving it 1 or 2 stars...20 votes total:


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Photo © Johnny Kristensen



My most popular shot with KLM 747 passing the moon was at 4.8 for a long while, and then dropped to 4 with just a few additional votes, and is now up to 4.2, with 31 votes.



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User currently offlineINNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

I don't really follow it, but I think the more popular a photo gets, the less likely will it have a high rating. It seems as if some people just rate photos low for the sake of it, but then again.... lowlife - not that I care.


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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Funny, I never checked these stats (not that I have that many photos in the db anyway...   ).

But it's indeed surprising:


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Photo © Stefan Gebenus


Rating: 4.17 (6 votes)


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Photo © Stefan Gebenus


Rating: 3.87 (8 votes)

The second photo was in the top 15 list of the photogs choice for a few days. Don't know if that has something to do with the lower rating?


User currently offlinewalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1292 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Funny system, I never understood it...


Highest rating (5votes): 4.8

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Photo © Walter Van Bel


views:1747

Highest number of ratings: 59

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Photo © Walter Van Bel


views:1943

I do like the comments section (although only about 30 - most recent - are shown).

Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
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Weird - I never knew such a thing even existed. My highest rated picture is:


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Photo © Royal S King



4.8889

But, I can bet it will be going down from there. Wanna know why?



User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4091 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 10):
But, I can bet it will be going down from there. Wanna know why?
Quoting dvincent (Reply 4):
For the longest time my first accepted photo (a NW DC-9 on approach to BDL) had a solid 5 stars until someone just had to go and rate it down.

These comments illustrate my point:

* Should we be operating with a system that is so easy to 'abuse'? Are there ways (such as registering username when votes are cast) to reduce that likelihood?

* If such changes are not possible then why have the system at all when is clearly doesn't function - i.e. there is no benefit at all for the photographer derived from having a highly rated photo because every photo accepted is displayed in that section on the Home Page?

I agree the comments are of more interest to the photographer and it would be good in my opinion, if we are to have a load of statistics, to include one telling us how many photo albums are photo has been selected for - maybe this is a more 'trustworthy' assessment of its merits in the eyes of the viewers.

Cheers.

Paul


User currently offlinezbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Hey Paul!

Thanks for pointing out that nifty little feature on the Photographer's Corner. I had never seen that before... then again... I've never had a reason to go look for it. As chance would have it, my A.net upload for this year actually made Photographer's Choice to my surprise and delight. It's rated well too I've just seen thanks to your pointer.

I'm not really sure the A.net system can be much improved upon. As Royal has pointed out... you just have those people out there who have nothing better to do with their time than make absolutely sure they let you know they think little of your efforts. That's life I guess.

I was curious about one thing. Now that I've actually achieved a Photographer's Choice photo (and many many many thanks to everyone who actually took the time and effort to vote for the shot btw!!!!!!), I was wondering if A.net was considering some individual page annotation method when the page is pulled up that actually says 'Photographer's Choice Photo" or something along that line. I mean... the data base is only 1.67 million shots, and there are fewer than a few thousand Photographer's Choice (and/or Editor's Choice photos for that matter) photos in the database, making them less than 1% of all contributed photos... it would be another way to set apart quality material and join them all together, and to give the photo a mark of distinction. Just a suggestion. Perhaps it would encourage people to submit more quality instead of just quantity. Don't know. I only know that incentives work, even cheap ones. Look at the military awards system. My 2 cents.

Oh, and btw... not that the photo ratings system has anything to do whatsoever with the Real World. My worst voted photo, with only 8 votes and scoring a solid 3.0 for "yeah, whatever" was picked up by 4 industry publications last year. Go figure.

Cheers again one and all and be back again next year.


User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4049 times:
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One of the ideas we have kicked around for a few years would be some sort of (for lack of a better term) virtual "trophy room." Think of a series of icons (top of the day, photogs choice, editors choice, 100k views, etc etc) that could be linked to both the photos and the photogs account.

Another idea would be to keep track of the votes placed by individual accounts, perhaps linked via the user profile. Something like "User X has voted for X photos with an average rating of x.xx. At least that way there would be some accountability.


User currently offlineMcG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 506 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

I've noticed that to reply to a comment posted on your photo you need to Rate your own photo (sort of defeats the purpose) in order to reply.

Is there a way of allowing the photographer to reply via the photographer's corner area, and that would show that the comment came from the photographer who took the picture, rather than it showing as a visitor from wherever posted a comment on.


User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 13):
Another idea would be to keep track of the votes placed by individual accounts, perhaps linked via the user profile. Something like "User X has voted for X photos with an average rating of x.xx. At least that way there would be some accountability.

That would be a huge improvement to the current system. It is amazing how a picture that one get a lot of positive feedback and hits goes into a photo rating death spiral after it hits the top of the 24 hrs etc.  

Hopefully we can put it on our wishlist? How can we start a push for this?



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User currently offlinezbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 13):
One of the ideas we have kicked around for a few years would be some sort of (for lack of a better term) virtual "trophy room." Think of a series of icons (top of the day, photogs choice, editors choice, 100k views, etc etc) that could be linked to both the photos and the photogs account.

Actually Royal, this is exactly what I was hinting at. It would simply be a different way of relating quality photos together by the various quality criteria that the site employs. Hope the idea gets kicked around anew.

Thanks again and cheers all!


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting eksath (Reply 15):
That would be a huge improvement to the current system. It is amazing how a picture that one get a lot of positive feedback and hits goes into a photo rating death spiral after it hits the top of the 24 hrs etc.

Hopefully we can put it on our wishlist? How can we start a push for this?

Exactly right. It might also prevent the deliberate misuse of the ratings system by some people around this place. Since it is still open for abuse - it wouldn't be surprising if some people tried the same thing again.

Being able to track the photo ratings will stop this once and for all.


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