I like to think that I submit photos of a decent standard, but by no means can this surely be considered worthy of attracting the attention it evidently has amongst voters. It has only been viewed 400-odd times in total. Equally, in the past I have seen a couple of my photos previously well rated suddenly drop significantly, which can only be accounted for by the fact that they got a few really low votes to make such an impact on the overall average.
You may recall this thread which caused something of a stir, to say the least. I have no desire to open up elements of that debate again, but buried in there were some interesting points and I am interested to follow up whether there have been any subsequent thoughts about making any changes to the voting systems that were discussed then (not just for Photographer's Choice).
Not a big deal for many, but the site still reserves space on its Home page for 'Top Rated Photos' and thus this theoretically is a way for photos to get more exposure. That said it seems to me the feature has not been working properly for ages now (as it lists all photos in the database, not just those rated above a particular level in the 'star' system).
Whilst on the subject, it might be interesting to know what your top rated photo is, and whether you are surprised or not to see it rated as such.
ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2489 times:
It's not easy to devise a rating system that works really well I think. The system in use certainly should not be taken too seriously. It isn't even clear whether one star means an ugly photo, or one still better than average. But that doesn't make the system entirely worthless for me.
I can live with this being my highest rated photo.
spencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
Hello Paul, how's things mate? I've been struggling with this one too, and I certainly remember the thread you linked!! I also thought something must be wrong as my highest rated pic is of low interest, tbh. Here's the pic in question:
Well, I sometimes get a feeling people are deliberately taking an image down...
This one hade a high rating, but then suddenly dropped to under 3, meaning people were giving it 1 or 2 stars...20 votes total:
INNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3765 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
I don't really follow it, but I think the more popular a photo gets, the less likely will it have a high rating. It seems as if some people just rate photos low for the sake of it, but then again.... lowlife - not that I care.
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 2968 posts, RR: 60 Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2315 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 10): But, I can bet it will be going down from there. Wanna know why?
Quoting dvincent (Reply 4): For the longest time my first accepted photo (a NW DC-9 on approach to BDL) had a solid 5 stars until someone just had to go and rate it down.
These comments illustrate my point:
* Should we be operating with a system that is so easy to 'abuse'? Are there ways (such as registering username when votes are cast) to reduce that likelihood?
* If such changes are not possible then why have the system at all when is clearly doesn't function - i.e. there is no benefit at all for the photographer derived from having a highly rated photo because every photo accepted is displayed in that section on the Home Page?
I agree the comments are of more interest to the photographer and it would be good in my opinion, if we are to have a load of statistics, to include one telling us how many photo albums are photo has been selected for - maybe this is a more 'trustworthy' assessment of its merits in the eyes of the viewers.
zbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
Thanks for pointing out that nifty little feature on the Photographer's Corner. I had never seen that before... then again... I've never had a reason to go look for it. As chance would have it, my A.net upload for this year actually made Photographer's Choice to my surprise and delight. It's rated well too I've just seen thanks to your pointer.
I'm not really sure the A.net system can be much improved upon. As Royal has pointed out... you just have those people out there who have nothing better to do with their time than make absolutely sure they let you know they think little of your efforts. That's life I guess.
I was curious about one thing. Now that I've actually achieved a Photographer's Choice photo (and many many many thanks to everyone who actually took the time and effort to vote for the shot btw!!!!!!), I was wondering if A.net was considering some individual page annotation method when the page is pulled up that actually says 'Photographer's Choice Photo" or something along that line. I mean... the data base is only 1.67 million shots, and there are fewer than a few thousand Photographer's Choice (and/or Editor's Choice photos for that matter) photos in the database, making them less than 1% of all contributed photos... it would be another way to set apart quality material and join them all together, and to give the photo a mark of distinction. Just a suggestion. Perhaps it would encourage people to submit more quality instead of just quantity. Don't know. I only know that incentives work, even cheap ones. Look at the military awards system. My 2 cents.
Oh, and btw... not that the photo ratings system has anything to do whatsoever with the Real World. My worst voted photo, with only 8 votes and scoring a solid 3.0 for "yeah, whatever" was picked up by 4 industry publications last year. Go figure.
Cheers again one and all and be back again next year.
clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
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One of the ideas we have kicked around for a few years would be some sort of (for lack of a better term) virtual "trophy room." Think of a series of icons (top of the day, photogs choice, editors choice, 100k views, etc etc) that could be linked to both the photos and the photogs account.
Another idea would be to keep track of the votes placed by individual accounts, perhaps linked via the user profile. Something like "User X has voted for X photos with an average rating of x.xx. At least that way there would be some accountability.
McG1967 From UK - Scotland, joined Apr 2006, 491 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2266 times:
I've noticed that to reply to a comment posted on your photo you need to Rate your own photo (sort of defeats the purpose) in order to reply.
Is there a way of allowing the photographer to reply via the photographer's corner area, and that would show that the comment came from the photographer who took the picture, rather than it showing as a visitor from wherever posted a comment on.
eksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1138 posts, RR: 27 Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 13): Another idea would be to keep track of the votes placed by individual accounts, perhaps linked via the user profile. Something like "User X has voted for X photos with an average rating of x.xx. At least that way there would be some accountability.
That would be a huge improvement to the current system. It is amazing how a picture that one get a lot of positive feedback and hits goes into a photo rating death spiral after it hits the top of the 24 hrs etc.
Hopefully we can put it on our wishlist? How can we start a push for this?
zbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
Quoting clickhappy (Reply 13): One of the ideas we have kicked around for a few years would be some sort of (for lack of a better term) virtual "trophy room." Think of a series of icons (top of the day, photogs choice, editors choice, 100k views, etc etc) that could be linked to both the photos and the photogs account.
Actually Royal, this is exactly what I was hinting at. It would simply be a different way of relating quality photos together by the various quality criteria that the site employs. Hope the idea gets kicked around anew.
cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
Quoting eksath (Reply 15): That would be a huge improvement to the current system. It is amazing how a picture that one get a lot of positive feedback and hits goes into a photo rating death spiral after it hits the top of the 24 hrs etc.
Hopefully we can put it on our wishlist? How can we start a push for this?
Exactly right. It might also prevent the deliberate misuse of the ratings system by some people around this place. Since it is still open for abuse - it wouldn't be surprising if some people tried the same thing again.
Being able to track the photo ratings will stop this once and for all.