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User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Hello people,
I convinced my dad to buy me a new camera (SLR), and I need help in which one to buy. Now I am in a dilemma of what to buy... I was first thinking of buying the Nikon D90 since well the kit lens is really good (18-105mm Nikkor) and the reviews are good. But then it got me thinking--- the specs. Do you think for me (the guy who experiments a LOT with SLR features but is always on a budget [$1000-ish]) a 1/4000th second shutter speed and 3200 ISO sensitivity is enough? If it isn't, can you give me some good cameras which are in the same price range with same/better (mm) lens and better specs?

Thanks A LOT!
vincyag2000

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Thread starter):
a 1/4000th second shutter speed and 3200 ISO sensitivity is enough?



Well I've heard of experimenting but.....

Why would anyone want to experiment with 1/4000th shutter and 3200ISO? Most people are happy with 200ISO with shutters of around 1/500th.

Think of what you WANT to do with the camera, not what you CAN do. No point in buying something based on features you're never going to use. Realistically 3200ISO isn't typically usable; and if you genuinely do need that sort of sensitivity I'd recommend something a lot more expensive than a D90!

Karl


User currently onlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Thread starter):
new camera (SLR)

Don't forget the "d" in dSLR. You aren't taking about a film camera here.



Slower traffic, keep right
User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 1):
Think of what you WANT to do with the camera

Obviously I would like to contribute to the website that has encouraged me to start photography (A.net), plus 30+ second shutter speed shots, and stills (for instance, an airplane taking off.) Is 1/4000th and 3200ISO sensitivity enough?

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
Don't forget the "d" in dSLR. You aren't taking about a film camera here.

Ahahha, sorry, I forgot.. Do they still make them? Our family used to have a Pentax Mz-m (if I am not mistaken) film camera.. thought the world ditched them 10 years ago   Sorry anyways  

Thanks,
Vincyag2000


User currently offlinezbot69 From Hong Kong, joined May 2009, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

If you intend on experimenting a lot and are on a budget you can't beat the D90. Nikon noise handling is superb, and the D90 kit lens is probably one of the best kit lenses on the market (the 18-105). Throw in a Gorillapod and a shutter release cable for a few extra bucks and go nuts.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 1):
Realistically 3200ISO isn't typically usable;

On D90, forget it. ISO3200 is *just* useful on a D700, but more difficult on the lesser cameras.

Quoting vincyag2000 (Thread starter):
I convinced my dad to buy me a new camera (SLR),

Depending on price, maybe look at D7000 instead. It's a much better camera. Superior viewfinder too, and it is fast, even with the high megapixels. I recommend that if the budget can stretch, since it'll last longer down the track.


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 5):
maybe look at D7000 instead

I got a $1000 +- $75-ish range (quite low for a DSLR, but yeah. Welcome to the modern Indian parental mentality   Joking. They are really nice   ). I was first thinking about the D7000 but gave up after the price tag... $1700 for the whole lens kit is too steep. I mean if atleast I had some lenses I would've thought about the body ($1200) but sadly, I don't. Do you have any other cameras (not only Nikon guys, broaden the search criterea   LOL jk). Ahaha

Thanks,
vincyag2000


User currently offlineasuspine From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5342 times:



Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 3):
Obviously I would like to contribute to the website that has encouraged me to start photography (A.net)

Great to have a nice camera with a good lens but not an essential for good photography.

Budgetographers: Small People, Little Skills (by asuspine May 2 2010 in Aviation Photography)

Cheers

[Edited 2010-10-09 05:33:44]

[Edited 2010-10-09 05:41:24]

[Edited 2010-10-09 05:43:09]


HFK
User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting asuspine (Reply 7):
Budgetographers: Small People, Little Skills

You may not have realized but I had commented in this post  I was still in the process of convincing my parents to buy a DSLR and now finally I have succeeded in my eternal battle of photography   But according to you, do you think a D90 is enough? (I know I am annoying the living soul outta you. But you gotta realize, I am an ignorant 14 year old   )

Thanks,
vincyag2000

[Edited 2010-10-09 07:01:51]

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

It is a common myth that budget gear won't get you good images. Any DSLR if used properly will do the job. Like I say, don't worry about how it performs at completely opposite ends of the scale as you're unlikely ever to successfully push it that far.

The D90 I assure you will be more than enough for what you aim to do. As will the D7000.

Karl


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 9):
The D90 I assure you will be more than enough for what you aim to do

Thanks a lot for the advice Karl! Its really helped. Obviously I won't be able to convince for a D7000, but as you said, a D90 is most likely more than enough for me   Thanks A LOT


Thanks again,
vincyag2000


User currently offlineasuspine From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 8):
You may not have realized but I had commented in this post ........

Sorry didn't realize that. D90, D7000, D5000 are good options. I was trying to suggest that you may be able to do better with anything even lesser.

Good Luck



HFK
User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 3):
Obviously I would like to contribute to the website that has encouraged me to start photography (A.net), plus 30+ second shutter speed shots, and stills (for instance, an airplane taking off.) Is 1/4000th and 3200ISO sensitivity enough?

I have more than a few photos on this site, and none were taken with settings even close to what you have listed. If your primary use for this camera is to upload here, I think you would do best to find out if you even need those kind of settings for what you plan to use it for.

In reality, ANY dSLR from the past 4-5 years is more than sufficient in the right hands. Why not try to get a used body? The D80 is four years old, but I guarantee it can still take photos acceptable for uploading here. My second body is nearing four years in age, and I have zero problems uploading photos from it here. You have fallen victim to the marketing hype - 16 megapixels!!! 6400ISO!!! etc... are you really going to be able to use the camera to its full potential? If not (and yes, that's what I'm implying) why not get a much cheaper but not much less capable camera to learn on? Then you can save some money for a better lens, or for a newer body in a year or two when you finally figure out what you're doing.


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 12):
You have fallen victim to the marketing hype - 16 megapixels!!! 6400ISO!!!

Totally  
Quoting dlowwa (Reply 12):
figure out what you're doing.

I have already been in an advanced photography "group" of our school during flex block (a period in our school in which we can choose "groups" to join and work with [there is a teacher present as well]). Here are a few pictures I have taken.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vineet777/


(by the way for the moderators, I am not advertising.. I am just proving my point. If theres a problem please tell me I will edit the post)
(They aren't that good. I know.. but for my age they I feel are fine   )

The teacher told me I was good at it. Here is his photostream.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_anthony/

Thanks,
Vincyag2000


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

BTW I forgot to add, these photos are all taken by a borrowed 2007 Canon Digital Rebel XT

User currently offlinedamien846 From UK - England, joined Dec 2006, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

The D90 should be fine...I started with the D50, and moved up to the D300 3 years ago and and very happy with Nikon.
Good luck


User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 12):
You have fallen victim to the marketing hype - 16 megapixels!!! 6400ISO!!! etc... are you really going to be able to use the camera to its full potential?

This. Big ISO numbers or super-slow shutter speeds don't matter much after a certain point.* All my shots on this site have been done with a Canon EOS Rebel XSi (450D) body with either the 18-55mm kit lens or the 55-250mm lens. That body and the long lens are what I used to land this photo of a fast-moving demonstration team:


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Trevor Nagamine

(ISO 400, f/6.3, 1/1600s, 200mm [x1.6])


I'm not too familiar with the specifics of Nikon's line-up, but you'd be able to get excellent shots with a D90 or a used D80 easily, provided you know what you're doing.

(*: I've used my camera's maximum ISO 1600 to shoot indoors without flash, only because flash photography wasn't allowed in those particular instances. While I admit a higher ISO would be nice for those occasional times, it would only be worth it if the camera is also able to reduce the associated noise, since the XSi is already messy at 1600 to begin with.)


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Well, my father has chosen for me, and according to him I should get a Pentax K-7 since I already have Pentax lenses (20-58 and 100-300). Do you think it would be good?

Thanks,
vincyag2000


User currently offlineasuspine From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 13):
Here is his photostream.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peter_a...hony/

Was expecting some aircraft photos, anyway nice shots.



HFK
User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Quoting vincyag2000 (Reply 17):
Well, my father has chosen for me, and according to him I should get a Pentax K-7 since I already have Pentax lenses (20-58 and 100-300). Do you think it would be good?

That's my camera. Outside of Japan, Pentax is a well kept secret. The K-7 has the same quality as D90/50D, but is smaller and has a weather-sealed body. Take a look at my aviation picks here and tell me what you think. I certainly think it's good enough, though as with any camera, it's the lens that you put in front of it that makes the real difference.


User currently offlinevincyag2000 From Japan, joined Jan 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting asuspine (Reply 18):
Was expecting some aircraft photos, anyway nice shots.

LOL I don't blame you   Our teacher was talking to us about taking us to the airport after school for taking pictures, but the school denied it. PLUS I wouldn't be allowed to take the camera since I have borrowed a camera from the school (well... not anymore :P ) (and its not only me. My friend too).

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 19):
it's the lens that you put in front of it that makes the real difference.

Well the lenses are really good, but the problem is that those lenses were used on a Pentax film camera 10 years ago. So no say on the quality produced. But oh well, lenses are lenses. Plus people pay $1000 dollars for a 100-300 mm lens nowadays  


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