LH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1672 posts, RR: 15 Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4781 times:
I've recently decided to upgrade from my Nikon D80 to a D300. Since the D300s is a bit over my budget, I figured that getting a used D300 wouldn't be that expensive. After having looking around for more than a month now, I've come to the conclusion that a used D300 will set you back around €750-800 here in Sweden. And they will have around 4-10K exposures on their necks.
A few days ago I managed to get a good offer for a one year old D300 in good condition, i.e no scratches, rubber grips are still in their matt finish, etc. Shop invoice and box included. All for only €600. The only hitch is that the camera have done 26K exposures, and this in just over a year. Nikon claim that the shutter is good for 150K, but still I'm a bit concerned whether it'll last for the two years I'm planning to own it. I make around 4000 clicks every year.
So my question now is whether it's a good idea to buy a camera that has done 26K clicks in its lifetime, or should I fork out the extra cash for one with fewer exposures?
I won't stop complaining until SAS reintroduces free service in Economy Class!
megatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4770 times:
Dude, snatch that body up! Sure, if you can get the service thing mentioned previously that would be great, but even if you can't, that is a FANTASTIC deal on such a top-quality camera. This isn't the Dxx series, the D200/300/s are built to take daily beatings. Even if you just look at the math part of it, in 2 years there will be what- 34-maybe 37k on the shutter? And you still won't be anywhere near the life expectancy. By then, you can decide whether you will want to trade up to the D400 which will be out by then. Then you can sell the D300 to me!
I have been thinking about picking up a used D300 body myself and in the States they mostly run around $1000-$1200. If you have the ability to try the camera out and inspect it for scratches or AF problems etc. and everything checks out, I would personally get it. The fact that it is only a year old with that many clicks on it suggests it was owned by a pro, and pros usually know how to care for their equipment better than a 'consumer'.
26k....thats about as many as my 3 year old D300 has......if your only doing 4000 a year then it has plenty of life left in it. Mine has never put a foot wrong and have not upgraded because I don' need to and the D300 should last me 10 years at the rate I shot!
captainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
Along with everyone else, snatch it up (as long as you've tested it personally).
I have a D90, and in 15 months I've taken over 63,000 pictures with it. It's started to give me some issues just now, so factor in the better build quality of the D300 + your expected less 'intense' use of it, go for it. I've rented both the 300 and the S model, and they are WORLDS ahead of the DXX series, in terms of handling, feel and quality.
Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1422 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4525 times:
Here's another suggestion..........get on Amazon, click on Nikon Digital SLR"s and read the user reports on the new
D 7000 . This body is aimed at midway between the D 90 and the D 300S; several reviewers who presently own D 300's
and even D 700"s have given it extremely good reviews. I was able to "pick up" on a few points that you just don't normally hear about, unless the individual making the review is, A. extremely knowledgeable about cameras, and, B. is totally "objective", (which few people are)
I had already made the decision to purchase the D 7000, (body only), and was mainly looking for input regarding lenses to go with it; the first reviewer made such a strong case for the D 7000 that it made me feel like I was already thinking in the right direction. The guy brought up points to consider that I don't think that many people do consider; and he is obviously very experienced with the D 300. My "take" on what he was saying was........the 300 and 300S, as well as the 700 are designs that have "been around awhile", and as we all know, camera technology is moving ahead a "warp" speed.
One thing to beware of though; almost all retailers are attempting to sell the D 7000 with the 18-105mm "kit lens"; this is a very mediocre lens, as Nikkor lenses go; it definitely is not a lens I have any intention of owning.
All things considered, I think if you read these reviews, you will realize that the shutter cycle issue is not the thing you need to be concerned about. Yes, you can absolutely buy a used D 300 body for less than what you would pay for a new D 7000; but for my money, I'm still going to go with the D 7000.
I hope this gives you some "food for thought"; what ever you do, GOOD LUCK !
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
Shutter cycles really do not guarantee the present condition of the camera but does give you a starting point that would generate your interest. I recently sold my D2x and hunted for another D300 as I already had one...all I could find was D300s's and I was not interested in another model. I wanted exact twin bodies...finally I chased down many used on ebay and KEH cameras in Atlanta. I found low cycles, but worn exteriors and almost new exteriors with high cycles. Typically I won't buy used bodies but had no choice. I did end up with a fairly good purchase via ebay...If you go the ebay route I found that most photographers that baby their gear still have the original box/papers/straps....etc. Why?...don't know but that seem to be an indicator to me that the owner envisioned one day the resale of the camera and typically, would take care of it. When you get the body...go through the camera and reset all the pre sets as the previous owner of mine, in my case never did and I didn't realize till I was on a shoot that things were not as I wished. I purged the camera of the presets and she works great. Good luck...the D300 is a great camera for the money. If you subscribe to the "latest is best" philosophy...you'll never be happy and always be broke where your camera budget is concerned...
cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4481 times:
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 6): Why?...don't know but that seem to be an indicator to me that the owner envisioned one day the resale of the camera and typically, would take care of i
Some owners are really careful about that. And I always think that having all the original packaging for a product means higher resale value, especially on a camera that is well looked after. For me, if you buy any of my camera gear second hand, you'll get extremely well looked after equipment.
Anyone in the market for a D80? I've got one in good condition with original box and all original manuals and extras. Also got the MB-D80 and original box and papers for that too.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 5): as well as the 700 are designs that have "been around awhile"
Just don't agree with that. The D700 might be a design that has been around for a while, but it's a fantastic camera with great low noise performance at high ISO settings (ISO3200 for instance) and beautiful image quality. It can easily hold a candle to most modern cameras in all but the most demanding conditions.
soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2800 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4452 times:
Quoting cpd (Reply 7): Some owners are really careful about that. And I always think that having all the original packaging for a product means higher resale value, especially on a camera that is well looked after. For me, if you buy any of my camera gear second hand, you'll get extremely well looked after equipment.
I'm one of them...won't buy used w/out the original boxes/papers and won't sell my gear the same...most gear used I have run across w/out the above mentioned items were usually used by photojournalists and the gear was rough on the cosmetic side as they will hang three cameras around their neck...ouch!
captainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4395 times:
Quoting Geezer (Reply 5): Yes, you can absolutely buy a used D 300 body for less than what you would pay for a new D 7000; but for my money, I'm still going to go with the D 7000.
Remember though, that the D7000 JUST came out. There will no doubt be small issues in the first batches that Nikon will sort out quickly, just as Canon had with the 50D. I am hesitant to buy one for this reason, and also that it hasn't been proven in terms of quality. I have put 65000 shots on a D90 in a little more than 15 months (enough to make the NPS guy do a double take) and it's wearing out already. While the D7000 does have a better body frame (magnesium vs plastic) and a faster shutter (6 fps vs 4.5 in the D90), I still question the durability of it. For that reason, I am going to scoop up a gently used D300s from the aforementioned KEH.com - the last camera I purchased from them was listed in LN- condition, had no shots at all (!) on it and was 20% less than a brand new model.
There may not be a such thing as a free lunch, but there are good deals out there if you look hard enough!
EstorilM From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4321 times:
That's nothing, I've got double that on my D300 and over 100k shots on my D200 and both shoot like new. Besides, shutter replacement isn't that bad ($$) and you won't be facing that for years (over a decade if your annual shot # is correct lol) and obviously by then, DSLRs will be dramatically different.
Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1422 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
Quoting captainstefan reply=10: Remember that 100K shots on a pro-grade body like the DX00 series is very different from the DX0 series - If my D90 makes it to 100K shots it'll take a few miracles.
I totally agree with you on that !
After being totally sold on the D-7000, and ready to buy one, I happened to run across a great buy on a brand-new D-300s;
After thinking about it, I realized I could buy the thing, for only about $100 more than the MSRP of a new D-7000, and I'd have a much more "robust" camera,...........so I bought it !
It wasn't that I thought the 7000 was any better, it was just that they normally sell for about $500 bucks more; I had no idea I'd ever find a new D-300s for less than what a lot of retailers are asking for the new 7000. All I can say is "thank heavens for eBay !
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein