Jid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 960 posts, RR: 35 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5209 times:
Interesting to see how your buddy processes the image of that aircraft he took a frame of when he was standing next you! Look for the differences in processing if any Here is an example of when the retro BA 757 made it's last visit to Manchester and Tony tight crop was stood next to me... or was I standing next to him?
Didn't expect to see another photo from THAT location! I was in with an enormous amount of the TV and print media from around the world that morning (lots of pushing and shoving), and apart from 1 other occasional a.netter who I know of, I didn't expect anyone else from here to be there.
notnam From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5167 times:
I don't know the other chap that took this shot (there were a few peaple on the balcony), but I must admit it brought a smile to my face to see an almost identical snap. Very interesting to see the difference in editing as well.
megatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria? It would seem that this practice increases the chances of the wrong photographer being associated with a certain shot.
Another thing I noticed, at least in the first pair of photos, is that depending on which screener you ask, the color is significantly different. Look at the grass and the red on the tail. I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?
Numero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7): Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria?
Yes, it is, but only if both the photographs are from the same photographer, of the same aircraft and of the same flight (on any given date). Rules are slightly different for cabin shots if I remember correctly.
As far as I understand, there isn't an exclusivity on the general subject of a photograph (it's not patented). When you think about it, it's not anyone's fault if another photographer was standing next to you when you took the picture.
waketurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4997 times:
Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7): Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria? It would seem that this practice increases the chances of the wrong photographer being associated with a certain shot.
Double doesn't apply to two (or more) photographers.
Another thing I noticed, at least in the first pair of photos, is that depending on which screener you ask, the color is significantly different. Look at the grass and the red on the tail. I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?
Camera sensors can vary quite a bit from brand to brand. Also, if you were looking at those photos individually you probably wouldn't know the difference. Like all editing that is done for Anet, there are limits to what is acceptable, and although different, they are both within limits.
unattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2240 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4993 times:
A couple from the same night, standing right next to each other.
cpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 44 Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7): I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?
It's suggestions like this that make uploading to this site even less enjoyable. It's a knife-edge to get acceptable quality as it is, but now it is being suggested that if a photo might be accepted after the other person's one - that it should be identical to his/her photo too? Who is to know which colour and contrast editing is more correct? That suggestion is just quite insulting.
Dealing with photos to go to newspapers or in publications is a whole lot easier, more rewarding and much more fun.
Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4535 posts, RR: 26 Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4947 times:
Quoting cpd (Reply 11): Dealing with photos to go to newspapers or in publications is a whole lot easier, more rewarding and much more fun.
I have concluded that dealing with photography outside of this site in general is easier, more rewarding, and more fun.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
Is that a record for one aircraft at the same time?
Megatop412 - if the rules of the site were such that 'doubles' from different photographers were rejected it would become a nightmare. You can imagine the competitive instinct we already see amongst some photographers would really come to the fore, with people breaking the speed limit to rush home to get their shot first in the queue (or worse!). The camaraderie we see amongst many photographers - where people tell each other about rare aircraft visiting the local airport etc - might even be threatened, with people fearing that the other guy might get his photo accepted first.
There is absolutely no way there could ever be justification for such a rule.
Scooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
Quoting Jid (Thread starter): Double Upload Or Your Buddy Standing Next To You!
In this case the first photographer must have made an outline of his footprints, the next guy stepping right into them a while later. The only difference are the lights in the background buildings.
megatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 250 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4650 times:
I shouldn't be surprised that the meaning of my post was completely missed.
This site enforces a very narrow set of acceptance criteria, yet when I point out that colors are off I get "sensors of different cameras record colors differently". How comical. Then the response that it's "insulting" to suggest that if this site is going to accept pretty much identical shots from different contributors the colors should look the same. Well, shouldn't they?
I had no idea that doubles of almost the exact same shot are allowed if they are taken by different shooters until someone just pointed it out here. Doesn't that then imply that someone's unique photo of the same aircraft but at a different location could be rejected for "common", since there's a greater number of that aircraft in the database now because of the doubles? I'm just pointing out what seems to not make sense. I thought shots would be rejected if they looked just like others already on the database, but I can see I'm wrong.
And as for the sense of "competitiveness" that would lead to people breaking the speed limit just to rush home to post their shots, that's just pathetic. If there are people out there who are compelled to do that and chance killing themselves and others, that's just downright sad. Could you imagine someone trying to use that excuse in a courtroom after they wiped out and ran someone over? "Your honor, I was in a hurry because John Doe got the same shot of the Sopwith Camel that I did and I was trying to get home so I could get it on Anet before him".
If camaraderie were truly the spirit that photographers carried within themselves, then the "need to post first on Anet" should take a backseat to that. But, I guess the frenzy some work themselves into about "being first" is no different here than it is anywhere else in life.
And if cpd isn't having fun uploading anymore because I asked a photography question on a photography forum, maybe he should start submitting to newspapers and publications as he suggests
Psych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 2968 posts, RR: 60 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4624 times:
Quoting megatop412 (Reply 21): Doesn't that then imply that someone's unique photo of the same aircraft but at a different location could be rejected for "common", since there's a greater number of that aircraft in the database now because of the doubles? I'm just pointing out what seems to not make sense.
No it doesn't because we need to remember that a photo won't be rejected simply because there are many examples of it already in the database. 'Common' should only be used in tandem with one or more other rejection reasons, and suggests to the photographer that - because the aircraft in question already features a lot in the database - standards for acceptance are even higher.
I know what you mean about the "pathetic" nature of what I was suggesting above, but unfortunately I have to say I would bet a small wager that the assumption would be correct (for some, by no means all!). People are people and, for many, the 'prize' of getting their photo on A.net is a big motivator. If a rule as you suggest was instituted I feel sure there would be untoward consequences somehow.
That terrible man Jid Webb let my car tyres down so that he could get home first to upload this newsworthy photo, as this aircraft had been involved in a 'Mayday' .
Of course, I am joking - Jid is a real gent and careful viewers might note that despite me winning the race and getting the photo uploaded before he did, he got about 34,000 more views .
Jid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 960 posts, RR: 35 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4605 times:
Quoting Psych (Reply 22): That terrible man Jid Webb let my car tyres down so that he could get home first to upload this newsworthy photo, as this aircraft had been involved in a 'Mayday'
Quoting Psych (Reply 22): despite me winning the race and getting the photo uploaded before he did, he got about 34,000 more views
So it was not me letting your tyres down that did it then!
I do like to see all the different examples posted, it shows how different people/equipment render a similar image. There is certainly no right or wrong way to process your image as these examples show.
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Slight difference in the angle but shot from the same location at the same time.
[Edited 2010-12-06 09:13:14]
25 unattendedbag: Megatop does have a point. You ask "who is to know which colour and contrast editing is more correct?" Well, that's what the screeners are here for.
26 waketurbulence: I already answered it above in reply 9. 1) Cameras and processing CAN be very different. 2) Screeners eyes can be very different - but if the images
27 JakTrax: I too think Megatop has a point, although I think it's practically impossible for every double to have the same colour, contrast, etc. Different camer
28 dvincent: Just cause you're standing next to your buddy doesn't mean you'll wind up with the same stuff...
29 VariEze: It does happen, even in Iceland. Same Approach/landing, different results. What a differece a few meters of position and elevation makes.
31 ghajdufi: For those of you who liked images processed differently: It's extremely difficult to be the only one in AMS: I was standing on the other side of the r
32 JakTrax: Here's another example... The colours are evidently different, but both look right to me. Tony's is 'cooler' and brighter (which I prefer), whereas mi
33 INNflight: Seriously though, most of the "off colour" shots can be achieved by selecting a different or custom white balance in camera. This has absolutely nothi
34 ghajdufi: Exactly! But... I have my WB set to Auto on the camera and I always set the WB in post-processing.
37 INNflight: I honestly wouldn't say it's a big deal. One white balance clearly is warmer than the other. Again... this can be done in-camera to achieve a certain
38 CargoLex: The only one I've got: Not sure if they are from the same takeoff sequence, but I definitely remember the day that aircraft was at BFI. I haven't met
39 trvyyz: How does the colour change for two shots taken side by side? What I can think of: 1. Lens used- some lenses are warmer eg. some sigmas 2. Sensors- dif
40 MidEx216: I thought for sure there was a mistake when I saw Gabriel's name on this picture about a week after I had uploaded mine into the queue. Surely he must
42 walter2222: When I first saw this shot from Daniel, it was uploaded under another registration (the Swiss Air Force participated with single- and double-seater):
44 Silver1SWA: Now THAT's what I like to see!! Best example in this thread! I just remembered. I do have an example to share... [Edited 2010-12-11 08:55:03]
46 kiffy: I found two different examples with the same Evergreen International Airlines 742, N487EV: and... I also found a photo album with this same theme: htt
47 je89_w: When the first United PMUA aircraft was painted into the new CO-UA livery, it sure attracted a lot of photographers. On its second visit to LAX in the
48 Plainplane: These two were taken by my friends on a day we went spotting together at SFB last year.
49 Drewski2112: Dear god, this is exactly why I try to avoid spotting on weekends and at commercial airports. You should see BFI when a new 787 or a highly publicized
50 Nicke: I do not see a problem with these screening rules. However I think screening should be more strict when identical photos of the same aircraft are uplo
51 megatop412: If there are more to come, I hope they will show different composition than the ones already posted. All of these photos are real nice. Having said t
52 2H4: You and me both! Nice as many of these examples are, I personally find it a lot more rewarding to produce something genuinely unique...something trul
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