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User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

Interesting to see how your buddy processes the image of that aircraft he took a frame of when he was standing next you! Look for the differences in processing if any   Here is an example of when the retro BA 757 made it's last visit to Manchester and Tony tight crop was stood next to me... or was I standing next to him?


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Have you any examples?

Jid


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Not that close, but:


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Didn't expect to see another photo from THAT location! I was in with an enormous amount of the TV and print media from around the world that morning (lots of pushing and shoving), and apart from 1 other occasional a.netter who I know of, I didn't expect anyone else from here to be there.

My photo rated very poorly though.  

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User currently offlineSIA6696 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

I have one

Air Austral taken moments apart. You can tell by the light pole under the tail/wing. Same image size just slightly different editing.


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User currently offlinenotnam From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7713 times:

I don't know the other chap that took this shot (there were a few peaple on the balcony), but I must admit it brought a smile to my face to see an almost identical snap. Very interesting to see the difference in editing as well.


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7698 times:

A few of mine:


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I knew Gavin was standing next to me though! Much more interesting when you're unaware!

Karl


User currently offlineGaryck From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7669 times:
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A couple of Mine:


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Sorry, can't figure out how to get them side by side



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User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7669 times:
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Me and Mats often go spotting together, and here's a pair  
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Slightly different angle though



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria? It would seem that this practice increases the chances of the wrong photographer being associated with a certain shot.

Another thing I noticed, at least in the first pair of photos, is that depending on which screener you ask, the color is significantly different. Look at the grass and the red on the tail. I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?


User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7):
Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria?

Yes, it is, but only if both the photographs are from the same photographer, of the same aircraft and of the same flight (on any given date). Rules are slightly different for cabin shots if I remember correctly.

As far as I understand, there isn't an exclusivity on the general subject of a photograph (it's not patented). When you think about it, it's not anyone's fault if another photographer was standing next to you when you took the picture.  



CYQB
User currently offlinewaketurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7):
Out of curiosity, is there a reason that almost identical photos are accepted? Aren't doubles one of the rejection criteria? It would seem that this practice increases the chances of the wrong photographer being associated with a certain shot.
Double doesn't apply to two (or more) photographers.
Another thing I noticed, at least in the first pair of photos, is that depending on which screener you ask, the color is significantly different. Look at the grass and the red on the tail. I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?

Camera sensors can vary quite a bit from brand to brand. Also, if you were looking at those photos individually you probably wouldn't know the difference. Like all editing that is done for Anet, there are limits to what is acceptable, and although different, they are both within limits.

Here are a couple of mine:

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User currently offlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2323 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

A couple from the same night, standing right next to each other.


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 7):
I thought that no matter what post work is done, colors were supposed to be consistent?

It's suggestions like this that make uploading to this site even less enjoyable. It's a knife-edge to get acceptable quality as it is, but now it is being suggested that if a photo might be accepted after the other person's one - that it should be identical to his/her photo too? Who is to know which colour and contrast editing is more correct? That suggestion is just quite insulting.

Dealing with photos to go to newspapers or in publications is a whole lot easier, more rewarding and much more fun.

[Edited 2010-12-04 20:51:00]

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7493 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 11):
Dealing with photos to go to newspapers or in publications is a whole lot easier, more rewarding and much more fun.

   I have concluded that dealing with photography outside of this site in general is easier, more rewarding, and more fun.



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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7486 times:
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Hello Jid.

Surely you and I must have many examples over the years   .

A couple of examples from me I recall:


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...and how about this example  Wow!
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Is that a record for one aircraft at the same time?

Megatop412 - if the rules of the site were such that 'doubles' from different photographers were rejected it would become a nightmare. You can imagine the competitive instinct we already see amongst some photographers would really come to the fore, with people breaking the speed limit to rush home to get their shot first in the queue (or worse!). The camaraderie we see amongst many photographers - where people tell each other about rare aircraft visiting the local airport etc - might even be threatened, with people fearing that the other guy might get his photo accepted first.

There is absolutely no way there could ever be justification for such a rule.

Paul





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User currently offlinevirgin777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

WOW ... Paul i think the 154 must be a record .

Jid ... or did i just copy your image and re-crop it ??

To be honest i don't really check who's got what on before i upload ... i just think maybe we all have an eye for a superb shot  

Plus when you had a day like we did for the retro im surprised no more have popped up yet !

It was a superb day with Jid , Paul & the Higg

cheers


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7454 times:
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Quoting Jid (Thread starter):
Double Upload Or Your Buddy Standing Next To You!

In this case the first photographer must have made an outline of his footprints, the next guy stepping right into them a while later. The only difference are the lights in the background buildings.

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User currently offlinePUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4163 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7445 times:


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User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Gents,

Us locals who frequent Mildenhall tend to end up at the same spots.


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Gary.


User currently offlineSharktt From Portugal, joined Mar 2008, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

Hi

Since me and my friends normally are in the same place, it's common to see some quite identical pictures...


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7255 times:
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I shot this one:


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...and these two followed suit:


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I think Tony did the best with it.



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User currently onlinewalter2222 From Belgium, joined Sep 2005, 1292 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Also the Nato Tiger Meets bring a lot of similar results, just a couple examples:


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Best regards,

Walter



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

I shouldn't be surprised that the meaning of my post was completely missed.

This site enforces a very narrow set of acceptance criteria, yet when I point out that colors are off I get "sensors of different cameras record colors differently". How comical. Then the response that it's "insulting" to suggest that if this site is going to accept pretty much identical shots from different contributors the colors should look the same. Well, shouldn't they?

I had no idea that doubles of almost the exact same shot are allowed if they are taken by different shooters until someone just pointed it out here. Doesn't that then imply that someone's unique photo of the same aircraft but at a different location could be rejected for "common", since there's a greater number of that aircraft in the database now because of the doubles? I'm just pointing out what seems to not make sense. I thought shots would be rejected if they looked just like others already on the database, but I can see I'm wrong.

And as for the sense of "competitiveness" that would lead to people breaking the speed limit just to rush home to post their shots, that's just pathetic. If there are people out there who are compelled to do that and chance killing themselves and others, that's just downright sad. Could you imagine someone trying to use that excuse in a courtroom after they wiped out and ran someone over? "Your honor, I was in a hurry because John Doe got the same shot of the Sopwith Camel that I did and I was trying to get home so I could get it on Anet before him".

If camaraderie were truly the spirit that photographers carried within themselves, then the "need to post first on Anet" should take a backseat to that. But, I guess the frenzy some work themselves into about "being first" is no different here than it is anywhere else in life.

And if cpd isn't having fun uploading anymore because I asked a photography question on a photography forum, maybe he should start submitting to newspapers and publications as he suggests


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7170 times:
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Quoting megatop412 (Reply 21):
Doesn't that then imply that someone's unique photo of the same aircraft but at a different location could be rejected for "common", since there's a greater number of that aircraft in the database now because of the doubles? I'm just pointing out what seems to not make sense.

No it doesn't because we need to remember that a photo won't be rejected simply because there are many examples of it already in the database. 'Common' should only be used in tandem with one or more other rejection reasons, and suggests to the photographer that - because the aircraft in question already features a lot in the database - standards for acceptance are even higher.

I know what you mean about the "pathetic" nature of what I was suggesting above, but unfortunately I have to say I would bet a small wager that the assumption would be correct (for some, by no means all!). People are people and, for many, the 'prize' of getting their photo on A.net is a big motivator. If a rule as you suggest was instituted I feel sure there would be untoward consequences somehow.

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That terrible man Jid Webb let my car tyres down so that he could get home first to upload this newsworthy photo, as this aircraft had been involved in a 'Mayday'   .

Of course, I am joking - Jid is a real gent and careful viewers might note that despite me winning the race and getting the photo uploaded before he did, he got about 34,000 more views   .

Paul


User currently offlineJid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 972 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 22):
That terrible man Jid Webb let my car tyres down so that he could get home first to upload this newsworthy photo, as this aircraft had been involved in a 'Mayday'
Quoting Psych (Reply 22):
despite me winning the race and getting the photo uploaded before he did, he got about 34,000 more views

So it was not me letting your tyres down that did it then!

I do like to see all the different examples posted, it shows how different people/equipment render a similar image. There is certainly no right or wrong way to process your image as these examples show.



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User currently offlineacote From Canada, joined May 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

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Slight difference in the angle but shot from the same location at the same time.

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25 unattendedbag : Megatop does have a point. You ask "who is to know which colour and contrast editing is more correct?" Well, that's what the screeners are here for.
26 waketurbulence : I already answered it above in reply 9. 1) Cameras and processing CAN be very different. 2) Screeners eyes can be very different - but if the images
27 Post contains images JakTrax : I too think Megatop has a point, although I think it's practically impossible for every double to have the same colour, contrast, etc. Different camer
28 Post contains images dvincent : Just cause you're standing next to your buddy doesn't mean you'll wind up with the same stuff...
29 Post contains images VariEze : It does happen, even in Iceland. Same Approach/landing, different results. What a differece a few meters of position and elevation makes.
30 Post contains links and images klm77 : My second upload on a.net View Large View MediumPhoto © Dan Miclea-Avcam PhotographyView Large View MediumPhoto © Nigel Harris-CYYZ Aviation Photogr
31 Post contains images ghajdufi : For those of you who liked images processed differently: It's extremely difficult to be the only one in AMS: I was standing on the other side of the r
32 Post contains images JakTrax : Here's another example... The colours are evidently different, but both look right to me. Tony's is 'cooler' and brighter (which I prefer), whereas mi
33 INNflight : Seriously though, most of the "off colour" shots can be achieved by selecting a different or custom white balance in camera. This has absolutely nothi
34 ghajdufi : Exactly! But... I have my WB set to Auto on the camera and I always set the WB in post-processing.
35 unattendedbag : Now, that's food for thought.
36 Post contains links and images LGW340 : My contribution! View Large View MediumPhoto © C J GoodwinView Large View MediumPhoto © Terry WadeView Large View MediumPhoto © Dave Chapman
37 INNflight : I honestly wouldn't say it's a big deal. One white balance clearly is warmer than the other. Again... this can be done in-camera to achieve a certain
38 Post contains images CargoLex : The only one I've got: Not sure if they are from the same takeoff sequence, but I definitely remember the day that aircraft was at BFI. I haven't met
39 trvyyz : How does the colour change for two shots taken side by side? What I can think of: 1. Lens used- some lenses are warmer eg. some sigmas 2. Sensors- dif
40 Post contains images MidEx216 : I thought for sure there was a mistake when I saw Gabriel's name on this picture about a week after I had uploaded mine into the queue. Surely he must
41 Post contains images glen : Split seconds away:
42 Post contains links and images walter2222 : When I first saw this shot from Daniel, it was uploaded under another registration (the Swiss Air Force participated with single- and double-seater):
43 Post contains links and images acontador : Even standing right next to each other, you can choose to take different pictures: View Large View MediumPhoto © Javier Guerrero - AirTeamImages Happ
44 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Now THAT's what I like to see!! Best example in this thread! I just remembered. I do have an example to share... [Edited 2010-12-11 08:55:03]
45 Post contains images unattendedbag : indeed!
46 Post contains links and images kiffy : I found two different examples with the same Evergreen International Airlines 742, N487EV: and... I also found a photo album with this same theme: htt
47 Post contains links and images je89_w : When the first United PMUA aircraft was painted into the new CO-UA livery, it sure attracted a lot of photographers. On its second visit to LAX in the
48 Post contains images Plainplane : These two were taken by my friends on a day we went spotting together at SFB last year.
49 Drewski2112 : Dear god, this is exactly why I try to avoid spotting on weekends and at commercial airports. You should see BFI when a new 787 or a highly publicized
50 Nicke : I do not see a problem with these screening rules. However I think screening should be more strict when identical photos of the same aircraft are uplo
51 Post contains images megatop412 : If there are more to come, I hope they will show different composition than the ones already posted. All of these photos are real nice. Having said t
52 Post contains images 2H4 : You and me both! Nice as many of these examples are, I personally find it a lot more rewarding to produce something genuinely unique...something trul
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