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User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
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Just in case you have a trip to MAN planned and are not aware, the popular photographers' spot for taking photos of aircraft approaching/lining up on 23R - known locally as 'Joe's Field' - is changing rapidly. After the place looking like a neglected building site for a long time now, real building has been going on apace recently, and many of the old rocky mounds have been flattened. I believe a car park is going to go there.

At present other mounds have been created as part of the construction work, though JCBs are literally building them and taking them apart as I write. The one I was standing on this morning was having its right flank put into the back of a lorry as I was snapping away. Though I don't know for definite, my sense is that it may not be too long at all before this spot changes radically as a place for photography. So if it is a favoured place for you, now may be a good time to give it a quick visit - before it is too late.

I took a couple of images to show those familiar with how it used to look what is happening as of today.

Joe's Field 1


Joe's Field 2


Cheers.

Paul

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User currently offlinedazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

I was their last weekend Paul and was surprised at the pace of the changes. It's a shame we're losing such a good vantage point for photography and given there is a public footpath running through the area, hope the council insist this remains. It would be nice to think the airport would leave a couple of mounds for viewing when the work is finished but somehow, I doubt that will happen.

Darren



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User currently offlineIan777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Yep, I was there a few weeks ago and was a little shocked to find it in this condition. The mounds I normally take photos from no longer exists. It wont be long before there is no spot at all to take shots from. However I really hope I am very wrong about that. But its not looking good.

Ian Marsh.


User currently offlineplanemad1 From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Such a shame but that's progress. Won't be long before they're charging you £12 an hour to park there.

User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Guys, this really isn't as bad as it looks or sounds. This time a month ago we were all resigning to the fact that Joe's field was to be no more in a very short space of time - but there I was yesterday morning (17th) shooting arrivals and line-ups from a rather large mound of earth. Granted, this mound probably won't be around today (they were scooping up earth from it as were were stood on it!) but there'll be another, different one tomorrow; and so on.

You can see the fence line now, and they have been told that the public right-of-way must be preserved. Testimony to this fact is perhaps that none of the workmen (they even work Sundays!) tried to move us on. I can assure you that, after a group of us made contact with Cheshire East council (Sue Orrell is the lady dealing with it, if anyone wants to drop them a line), the airport cannot simply close the path. Even if they attempt to, I am not being forced to give up a hobby I have been doing for the best part of 20 years overnight - and I really don't think anyone can expect that.

I shall be in that car park one way or another, and until someone invents a new law that's where I'll still be spending many a happy hour. Employing these kind of tactics will simply force enthusiasts into the smaller nooks and crannies of the airfield - and you can bet that's the last thing the airport wants!

Before speculating let's just see how things pan out. If it really does end up being worse than we thought, we can cross that bridge as and when.

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3048 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
I shall be in that car park one way or another

I can well imagine that Karl! The issue that was tasking me (and many others) is whether in future there will be any raised areas allowing photos that take out much of the fence for aircraft close to/on the ground. I agree that the landing shots against the sky should remain for all (hopefully). It is hard to image the powers that be leaving significant mounds to clamber on to - though you just never know. Maybe them will purposely build them!

Paul


User currently offlinedazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting Psych (Reply 5):
It is hard to image the powers that be leaving significant mounds to clamber on to

I think the same Paul, the health and safety brigade will probably intervene and prevent that from happening, but common sense might prevail one day!!

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
I was yesterday morning (17th) shooting arrivals and line-ups from a rather large mound of earth

Is that the one at the end of the path towards the right side of the field Karl? That is where I was tempted to go last Saturday but it was fenced off so I thought I'd better not go over the fence given they were likely to be working. Even though it was easy to walk around the fence, the last thing you want is blue lights turning up and moving you on so it's interesting to note they are allowing you on them, even when they are digging around them!

Darren



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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

A quick google on "planning applications moss lane manchester" reveals that the development is an extension to the Manchester airport remote/shuttle parking - the same search also reveals MAG may have breached planning regulations by starting the work without appropriate permission! It seems pretty clear, given the reaction to the work, that the footpath will have to be maintained - but whether there are any mounds is an entirely different matter. Remote parking at airports isn't usually cheap so I think we can be pretty sure it won't be economical to park in the new carpark, and indeed for the security of vehicles parked there it's unlikely they'll let people just stroll in and out so I suspect the footpath will be outside of the car park. Another concern I'd have is that if more traffic starts using Moss Lane because of the car park, will there be more parking restrictions (double yellow lines) on Moss Lane meaning that photographers will have to park much further away and walk further to get to the footpath?

Andy


User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Upon further checking, it appears that access to this new car park will be from the main Styall Road and not from Moss Lane itself - thus presumably passing behind the houses/garden center as viewed from Moss Lane. If this new car park/access is to be appropriately secured with fences (to stop people who don't have cars parked there casually walking into the car park), which I presume it will, then its difficult to see how the footpath, if it remains open, could still go up to the airport perimeter fence.

Andy


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Something worthy of note...

In a recent conversation with Sue Orrell (of Cheshire East Council) a friend of mine was advised that the bridal path MUST be preserved actually up to the perimeter fence. For those old enough to remember, the original path actually crossed the threshold of the original runway, leading to the Airport Hotel. When the runweay was extended, special permission was granted to close the path as it was restricting the growth of traffic at the airport. Unfortunately for them, having a new car park isn't considered essential to the expansion of the airport, and so there is no permission for the path to be closed or diverted. Since the current public footpath runs right up to the perimeter fence that's the way it must remain apparently. Sue Orrell has personally told us that we have the right to wander right up to the fence if we wish as the heavy machinery should not be crossing the footpath, which actually marks the border between Manchester City and Cheshire East.

I have been down todays and all yesterday's mounds are still there. We also had no issues wandering between the mounds and the fence. I think the workmen know there's not a lot they can do to stop us and don't bother now.

Karl


User currently offlineIan777 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

This is much better news indeed. If that bridal path has to stay, then at least some sort of photography is possible. Also if Moss lane does become a problem regarding parking, there are other options (means walking a bit) but still better than I first thought when I first saw the state of things a few weeks ago.

Ian.


User currently offlineplanemad1 From UK - England, joined Dec 2010, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Could I ask a couple of questions please? It's around 18 months at least since I last visited MAN. Is the mound still there opposite the place where planes line up (worms eye). And how much does it cost now to go to the AVP?

User currently offlinejaktrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Yes, the moundat 23L is still there, abd the RVP is £3 or £4 an hour now (up to a maximum of £12).

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