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Spotting At LOWW/VIE?  
User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Hello guys!!!

In August I'm going on a trip that will lead me into the Wien aerea.

So, I think I could spend some time having a sane and healthy spotting session there...

So, first of all, I'd like to ask you how is this airport talking about plane spotitng and how authorities look at it. You know, when going in a foreing country you wouldn't do anything wrong...  
Then, also if a permit is needed... maybe something like the photo permit for CDG.

At the moment I don't know if I'll be there by car or not: the possibilities are: get there from the city or get there by a rent car (that I'll use for my trip), but I don't know if I'm going to use it also for a spotting tour or if I'll leave it before.
SO, I'd like to know spotting locations reachable both on foot and by car.

Finally, which is the best part of the day for spotting there?
Maybe to catch lots of heavies and/or a large variety of different aircraft and liveries?

Thank you very much in advance,

MAtteo

p.s.: "charts and maps" would be highly appreciated

p.p.s.: my lenses are Canon 15-85 and 70-200 + 1.4x TC  Wink

[Edited 2011-07-15 08:01:55]

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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Matteo,

I did VIE in 2007 but can't remember much about the spots in all honesty; except that some are notorious for heat-haze. Stick with air shots and you should be fine with a 70-200 + extender.

The place is pretty busy in the mornings, with another busy period between about 17:30 and 19:00. The OS heavies seemed to arrive mid-late afternoon, and added a little interest to what is otherwise an extremely slack period, with only a handful of OS narrow-bodies moving.

Cheers,

Karl


User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5026 times:
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Hello

The best lights are in the morning and late afternoon. The most colorful period is the morning. Arrivals at the mid-day is a little bit boring, but there are some heavy departure. I take the most of the picures til 10 AM.

You have to rent a car, beacuse there are too large distances between the spottong places, runways and terminal. It's not working by foot.

You don't need photo permit, but scanner is not allowed by the police. You have to hide the scanner when policecar come. You don't use the small agricultural roads, you have to park at the main roads!

http://www.vap-group.at/

http://yakfreak.aviation.at/vap/maps/vie_map_info.htm

http://www.viennaairport.com/jart/pr...yes&origin=&flightnumber=&airline=


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting eggohoek (Reply 2):
You don't use the small agricultural roads, you have to park at the main roads!

Yes, I remember there was a LOT of walking!

Karl


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Hello guys... and sorry for being that late!  

First of all, thanks to Karl and eggohoek for their advices and tips about spotting there.

In the meanwhile, some details about my trip have been defined... for example, I'm going to go spotting with a car. So, this is no more a problem.

I think I'll print this map, http://yakfreak.aviation.at/vap/maps/vie_map_info.htm, with these additional info: http://www.vap-group.at/ .
This is a very good take off point, and, of course, I'll "study" before going there!  

Then, I'm not going to bring a scanner with me... so this would not be a problem!  
Quoting eggohoek (Reply 2):
You don't use the small agricultural roads, you have to park at the main roads!

Ok, so, is parking the car on country roads forbidden?
And is there enough space to park the car safely on main roads? (in order not to have any kind of problem with local authorities...)
But I've noticed that some places where to park the car are indicated on the map... so, also this thing should not be an issue.


Finally... my trip will lead me nearby Linz... where there is another airport.
So, it may be an idea to stop for spotting there, too.
But, do you know if it is worthwhile?
And how is the traffic there?

Matteo


User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
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Quoting teopilot (Reply 4):
Ok, so, is parking the car on country roads forbidden?
And is there enough space to park the car safely on main roads? (in order not to have any kind of problem with local authorities...) But I've noticed that some places where to park the car are indicated on the map... so, also this thing should not be an issue.



The map I've linked clearly shows where you have to park. In the main road usually there isn't enough place for parking, but you can park in the conuntry road next to the main road! Normally there isn't problem with local police.

You need ladder for the following spotting points if you take landing shots: G, H, L. You need ladder for point A, this is a good place for GAT and the first hour in the carparking is free.

I never use point M, may be you need ladder in this place.

Good parking place for morning side of RWY 34 is the cemetary's parking opposite side of point I.


User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4807 times:
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Guide for runway usage.

The main landing runway is rwy 16/34.


If wind direction is 34:


early morning landing (about until 6:30-7:00 AM): rwy 29
landing (after 6:30-7:00 AM) : rwy 34
take off: rwy 34 and rwy 29 (all day)

Sometimes there are few rwy 29 landings in daytime.

____________________________________________


If there is opposite wind direction the situation is more difficult!

early morning landing (about until 6:30-7:00 AM): rwy 29
landing 6:30/7:00 - about 10:00 AM : rwy 16
landing from 10:00 AM: rwy 16 and rwy 11, both rwy are in use same time, but usually one of the rwy is in primary use for a half or 1 hour.

take off until about 10:00 AM: rwy 16 and rwy 29
take off after 10:00 AM: rwy 16

Once I have seen after 10:00 AM a more easy rwy usage:
landing: rwy 11
take off: rwy 16


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting eggohoek (Reply 5):
The map I've linked clearly shows where you have to park. In the main road usually there isn't enough place for parking, but you can park in the conuntry road next to the main road! Normally there isn't problem with local police.

maybe, if possible, not going too far away from my car... LOL

Quoting eggohoek (Reply 5):
You need ladder for the following spotting points if you take landing shots: G, H, L. You need ladder for point A, this is a good place for GAT and the first hour in the carparking is free.

I won't have a ladder... so: do I have t exclude those spotting points or is it possible to make something good through the fence? (about this: is the fence net a kind of "evil" or good for us?)
... and, forgive my ignorance... but what is GAT? (general aviation terminal?)

Finally, a big thank your for the runway usage!!!  
I had a look to the Aerodrome charts, too, thus revelaing that both runways have almost the same length... so that heavies could take off from both of them.

Just to know, because I'm not practice with the area... which are the preferred runways, according to the usual wind direction?
I mean, here in Milan, for example, MXP and LIN use 35's and 36 for departures, and rarely the southbound ones...just because wind comes from south more rarely...


User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4779 times:
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Quoting teopilot (Reply 7):
maybe, if possible, not going too far away from my car... LOL

You can leave the car! Such as rwy 16 morning side you have to walk 2-5 minutes.

Quoting teopilot (Reply 7):
I won't have a ladder... so: do I have t exclude those spotting points or is it possible to make something good through the fence?


Ok, without ladder use the following points:

rwy16:
F, E

rwy11:
P

rwy34:
I - you can shot over the fence.
J - you can take photos through the fence. There are big holes in the fence originaly.

rwy 34 morning side:
Look for the cementary parking in Google Earth and walk back to the main road and look for your ideal angle and distance from final.

rwy 29:
- parking in the main road (between Klein-Neusiedl and Fischamend), somewhere under the final and take pictures next to the main road
- go to F point and walking straight to point G and stop somewhere about curve of airport fence.

Take off shots from point: J, K, O

Quoting teopilot (Reply 7):
but what is GAT?

General aviation terminal, there are most of bizjets, but I took photo at GAT from Iran Republic A321.


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

A BIG THANK YOU, again, for giving me such tips!!! I think now I won't have any kind of problem...
I have just to plan my spotting route with the info you gave me... For every wind context! LOL
I repeat that I think there won't be any problem... If any, I'll let you know...

But I still have a question: is ladder mandatory in some points due to too tight holes?


Quoting eggohoek (Reply 8):
J - you can take photos through the fence. There are big holes in the fence originaly.

Do you confirm nothing "illegal" that, maybe, would put me in trouble?  


Finally.... Another tips request...
LINZ... Which would be along the way during my trip.
Then, Bratislava... But I'm not sure if I'll manage. In case, spotting locations reaching on foot in a reasonable time... Because then I'll have to take my flight back to home....
EDIT: let's add Salzburg, too... (LOWS)...

[Edited 2011-07-26 14:19:03]

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Teo, I visited Bratislava on my recent trip, but traffic is very slow.

Peter 



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User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 10):
Teo, I visited Bratislava on my recent trip, but traffic is very slow.

Peter 

As a matter f fact, I would go there from Wien (where I will leave my rent car) in order to take the Ryanair flight to home. So, maybe I could go there long time before my flight... but if yu tell me it's not worthwhile...


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Maybe it's better early or late in the day, but I would check expected traffic before planning to spend time there.


The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4701 times:

BTS is awfully slow - especially since the demise of Sky Europe and Air Slovakia. There are the government/military aircraft based there, but getting them moving is a bit of a lottery (a difficult one at that).

I got a ramp tour a few years ago but I reckon the chances of that these days are pretty slim.

I'd leave BTS as it's really not worth it. Also, you really do need a car to get to the runway ends. We used BTS as a base for our VIE trip, incidently.

Karl


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
BTS is awfully slow - especially since the demise of Sky Europe and Air Slovakia. There are the government/military aircraft based there, but getting them moving is a bit of a lottery (a difficult one at that).

I got a ramp tour a few years ago but I reckon the chances of that these days are pretty slim.

I'd leave BTS as it's really not worth it. Also, you really do need a car to get to the runway ends. We used BTS as a base for our VIE trip, incidently.

Karl

Just noticed that... as soon as I had a look to the traffic.

Maybe I could go there a few time before the canonic 2 hours, and then search for a spotting position near the terminal...
I think this would be a good idea to spend some time, if I won't have anything to do...  

Now... Linz and Salzburg?


User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4681 times:
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Quoting teopilot (Reply 9):
But I still have a question: is ladder mandatory in some points due to too tight holes?



Some points you need ladder, some point you don't need.

Without ladder:
-you can't take touch down shots at rwy 34 morning side.
-not easy to take photos at GAT, through the tight holes - but may be not impossible if you have got static target.

Quoting teopilot (Reply 9):
Do you confirm nothing "illegal" that, maybe, would put me in trouble?



Yes, I confirm. I never had problem with local security.

With GPS you will find everything.
by the way, there is an old Vickers at the Schwechat McDonnalds, near the rwy11 final - about 2 km from point "P", next to the roundabout.


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting eggohoek (Reply 15):
Some points you need ladder, some point you don't need.

Without ladder:
-you can't take touch down shots at rwy 34 morning side.
-not easy to take photos at GAT, through the tight holes - but may be not impossible if you have got static target.

I won't bother about that... I'm used to shooting through the fence... but if there are places where it could be avoidable... they're welcome.

I'm going there in the morning... hopefully I'll be able to get the heavies coming till 13/14.
So, in your opinion, which is the best spotting point for the morning?
A spotting point that would let me to catch both arrivals and deps., if possible...  


User currently offlineteopilot From Italy, joined Jul 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

I have a problem...
I went on the LOWW website, looking for a schedule with departures and arrivals on the 1st of August... when I'll be there.

The only thing I found is this one... http://www.viennaairport.com/jart/pr...=1249344074231&reserve-mode=active
I think it's quite useless for us, isn't it?

Have I missed something?
Is there any way to know all deps. and arrivals for August, 1st?


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