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Loss Of Saturation In CS5 Save For Web Function.  
User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

Hello All,

I am in the process of editing some photos from a day of shooting yesterday, and have noticed something that I have not seen before when saving my photos. I always use the save for web function, and today, I have noticed that the final image looks rather flat and unsaturated when compared to the original displayed above. Is there something that I am missing? My working space is srgb, as is my raw convertor. Do I simply need to over-saturate it a touch while working on it so that it looks "properly saturated" after saving?

Many Thanks!

NPeterman

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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
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Under Edit-->Color Settings, Color Management Policies, RGB, does it say: "Convert to Working RGB"?

User currently offlinedvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5162 times:
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When using Save For Web, there's a checkbox for "Convert to sRGB." Make sure it's checked.


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User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Thank you both. Unfortunately, I had already checked both of those settings, and canconfirm that I have done them both, yet the issue persists. Any other thoughts?

User currently offlinedarreno1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

What web browser are you using? If it's Chrome that may be your issue. Chrome still has limited color profile support. Try browsing the site with IE or Firefox.


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User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear above. The loss of saturation is visible even in the save for web window, where it shows the original, and the file that is about to be saved. That loss of saturation then carries through to when the image is viewed on Internet Explorer, Windows Media viewer, etc

User currently offlinestevemchey From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting NPeterman (Reply 5):
The loss of saturation is visible even in the save for web window, where it shows the original, and the file that is about to be saved.

That is usually a sign that the color profile of the working copy (original) is different then the one that is about to be saved. But as you stated, your working color space is already sRGB... so that's odd...

Just as a sanity check, I would open the original, then manually change the color space through "Edit > Convert to Profile..." and choose sRGB as the Destination Space (at that point, also note the Source Space and see if it is the typical "sRGB IEC61966-2.1").

Good luck...

[Edited 2011-08-08 13:44:48]

User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5074 times:
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Also going on what Steve said, when you open the file, does it ask you to convert to SRGB?

User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

It does not ask me to convert to SRGB, no.

User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5037 times:
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Alright. On Edit->Color Settings, you said you had Convert to Working RGB in the box, do you also have Profile Mismatches: Checked on Ask When Opening and Missing Profiles: Checked on Ask When Opening?



User currently offlinestevemchey From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Nick, did you try what I suggested in Reply 6? Did you see sRGB listed in the Source Space when you went to "Edit > Convert to Profile..."?

User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Dumbell, I did not have the mismatch boxes checked. I do now. Steve, I did try what you suggested in reply 6, and the source was listed as SRGB. I will ask, just in case I am doing something stupid and missing something obvious that I just wasn't aware of, could the fact that this is a RAW file that I am saving as a jpeg have anything to do with this? are RAW files just inherently "more"saturated, and lose this when saving as a jpeg?

User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
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Quoting NPeterman (Reply 11):
I did not have the mismatch boxes checked. I do now.

Try starting over from RAW now. When you do your RAW adjustments then open in PS, it should ask you a question like would you like to convert to SRGB? or something like that. Click continue/yes (sorry not on a PS cpu atm) and you should be fine.


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9780 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5014 times:
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Quoting NPeterman (Reply 11):
are RAW files just inherently "more"saturated, and lose this when saving as a jpeg?

With RAW, you should be able to set the saturation before you export to JPG.

I find that the images I get from my camera are a bit undersaturated, so I've gotten in the habit of adding a bit of saturation in RAW before exporting.

Related question - in ACR in CS5, how do you set it to export JPGs in SRGB? It seems to default to AdobeRGB, which then means that I get the prompt to convert to SRGB when I open the JPGs in Photoshop. I haven't been able to find a menu which allows you to change the RAW export settings (if it exists!).



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User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):

if you open ACR, down below the image pane, there should be some blue writing which shows your color space, etc. Click on that and it will bring up a dialogue box where you can change color space, depth, etc. There is no way to click save for these settings, ACR just seems to "remember" them and always pulls them up. I've never had to do it again.

Oh, and for the resolution to my other question, it appears that although the image is high de-saturated when viewed in the save for web pane, pulling it up after uploading it to Airliners.net or Flickr reveals perfectly normal saturation now. Something has changed, although it still appears de-saturated in the save for web pane. I'll just chalk it up to another CS5 mystery...


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9780 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4889 times:
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Quoting NPeterman (Reply 14):
if you open ACR, down below the image pane, there should be some blue writing which shows your color space, etc. Click on that and it will bring up a dialogue box where you can change color space, depth, etc. There is no way to click save for these settings, ACR just seems to "remember" them and always pulls them up. I've never had to do it again.

Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure that out for a long time, but it never occurred to me that the blue writing was something you could click on to change settings!



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