Sponsor Message:
Aviation Photography Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Photogaphy Issue Today At EGNX/EMA  
User currently offlineGaryck From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 283 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2734 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

A little story for what happened to myself at Karl Nixon (Jaktrax) today.

The idea was to get the TNT cargo 777 on departure at 5.30am The weather was poor, to much cloud and went of an hour late. As we drove around the airfield to the Cafe for breakfast, we stumbled across the Nimrod, I had forgot it was there. We looked at the cloud situation, and decided to come back later.

Got back later, took some shots of the Nimrod, and many civvi aircraft including a nice C130. Security had a moan at us as the ladders were to close to the fence, We moved them back as requested, but got the shots we wanted anyway and left...........

As we were driving off, A fat little man walked in to the middle of the road and stopped me driving, walked around my side of the car, I wound down the window. ''CAN YOU PLEASE PULL YOUR CAR OVER THERE, TURN OFF THE VEHICLE AND GET OUT, SECURITY WANT A WORD''. mmm a little head scraching went on, So I asked why. He replied ''your in a restricted area, YOU CAN BE SHOT FOR WHAT YOUR DOING, taking pictures of a military aircraft''. I had to correct him at this point, and inform him the Nimrod is no longer a military aircraft, its part of the Museum and as far as I'm aware I can not be shot. We let him know that security have asked us to move, he went to tell us that ''SECURITY IS POOR here at EMA and if it was down to him, he'd have us arrested and taken away.


He then changed the coversation to say that we are tresspassing and we can be clamped, We made our excuses that we hadn't realised we had tresspassed as there are not signs, he informed us that if we look behind us there are some very faded signs on the fence.. Karl was starting to get a little frustrated, they began talking about by-laws and civil matters. We were offerd a copy of the by-laws for the area, but when we said ok, he changed the conversation again............Ready for this

''Why can't you find something better to do than take pictures of aircraft, your not 14'', Now I was starting to get mad, I told him its a hobby........ to which he laughed. I asked him what he thinks I do for a living.............. I'm a fully grown man and have a full time job for a car manufacturer, if I want to take pictures so be it.

It was at this point we drove off, he was left stood in the middle of the road writting down the reg of my car. As we pulled out of the road, the Police were pulling in, they never stopped us. We contact Leicestershire Police control room to ask/talk about this incident, letting them know everything that was said and threatened. Nothing had been logged with them in the first place according the woman in the control room.

I fully understand that if we were in the wrong, I'd put my hands up to which I can tolerate, but to be insulted like this is disrespectful. To make maters worse, an employee of the Airport then ridicules the security that protects him. I still can't believe we were told that we can be shot for taking a pictures of a plane at an airport.

Here's one of the images. Nimrod R1 XW664.
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7476/nim2.jpg

Gary

[Edited 2011-08-09 15:25:12]

[Edited 2011-08-09 15:27:40]


Keep your Ladders close, but your camera closer
7 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinechuck9941 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

I think a few of us are already thinking it but....

Was kinda hoping for the shot of the other 'Nimrod'   

Quoting Garyck (Thread starter):
To make maters worse, an employee of the Airport then ridicules the security that protects him.

somebody always has to be the hero who can always do better


Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

He actually told us that trespass is a civil offence, but then proceeded to threaten us with a police presence. In such cases, the police must simply act as observers, and ensure that peace between two disagreeing parties is maintained. A civil action is required to remove someone from private property, but seeing as we were leaving anyway (and we weren't entirely convinced by his description of applicable 'by-laws') it seemed rather irrelevant to go through all that fuss.

His badge read 'Engineering Manager' - quite what gives him the right to stop a vehicle and have its owner hand over keys and step out I don't know! Horrible little man with a badge who thinks it gives him some kind of elevated authority.

I never once argued that the by-laws were wrong, but I did sincerely ask for a copy - which HE offered to ME initially! I even offered to apologise if the by-laws supported his actions, however without notification signs I felt I had the right to question his judgement. All equal, right?

I'm sure it would soon have been a public enough road had I been driving around drunk.....

It got to an unacceptable level when he started getting personal against us and our hobby. Quite frankly, I found his actions and words childish and downright rude. He proved his level of professionalism in the last 60 seconds of the encounter.

Karl

User currently offlineindiaecho From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2010, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

What an obnoxious little man!!!

East Midlands is an airport very close to my heart, as it is where I discovered this wonderful hobby over 20 years ago, and while I don't get to go back as often as I would like, I always enjoy my visits to the airport.

Did you manage to get the name of his employer? If you did, it might be worthwhile dropping them an e-mail saying how dissapointed you were to encounter one of their employees (and clearly identifiable as such) behaving in such a rude and uncalled for manner. While what you were doing probably did contravene the airport by laws (I have not read the EMA by laws, but airport by laws generally usually only allow passengers, people picking passengers up or dropping them off and employees to be on airport land) that doesn't make what he did right.

He certainly had no right to stop you, and you had no obligation to stop, and dependent on the status of the road he may have committed a criminal offence himself by blocking the road. He also had no right to threaten you with being shot, and to seek to ridicule you or your hobby.

User currently offlineryan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

What an obnoxious little w*****.

Put some people un a uniform and give them a fancy title and this is what you get.


South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineGaryck From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Quoting indiaecho (Reply 3):
Did you manage to get the name of his employer?


No I didn't, but I'm working on it. His name bage was an official East Midland Airport one which was also a photo ID, so I expect he's an employee of the airport and not one of the business around the airport.


Keep your Ladders close, but your camera closer
User currently offlinepicturethis From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 196 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

I would have probably just said "yeah, yeah pal, whatever" whilst preceding to just drive off after about a minute of listening to him.

Like you said, jumped up bloke with zero authority. Get back to Managing your Engineering.

Good photo by the way, I was round there the other day and there was a small fence making it hard to get any photos.


Make sure they know we're playing the game, but we don't need to play the game because we've already won the game.
User currently offlinedarreno1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

I would definitely pursue this and take it as far as possible. Wimps on power trips sometime deserve to be put in their place. Great pic btw!


Nikon D7000 / Tamron SP 70-300 f4-5.6 VC USD / Tamron SP AF 28-75 f2.8 / Nikkor 35 f1.8G / Nikkor 50 f1.8D / Bower grip
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Tu-204s At EMA - Anyone Know? posted Mon Jul 28 2008 04:09:31 by JakTrax
G-MIDJ At EMA 24hrs - Damaged! posted Wed Jun 4 2003 20:05:54 by Work4bmi
Rock Stars At EMA! posted Fri May 30 2003 13:41:49 by Work4bmi
Possible Photo Opportunity At EMA posted Sat Mar 22 2003 02:47:48 by Work4bmi
Petition: Re-opening The Observation Deck At BUD posted Tue Aug 9 2011 13:39:03 by Gregor83
Ladder Height At Kbfi? posted Thu Aug 4 2011 13:30:33 by matai
Spotting At SIN, SYD, YVR And YYZ posted Fri Jul 29 2011 10:43:11 by ebentes
Spotting At DFW posted Wed Jul 27 2011 21:21:04 by kann123air
Spotting At ATL Question posted Tue Jul 26 2011 22:59:13 by msypi7185
Spotting At LOWW/VIE? posted Fri Jul 15 2011 07:51:13 by teopilot