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User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Hello guys hope everyone its doing ok . for a long time now i have been trying to get a nice camera to start taking pictures of airplanes Around here (Houston KIAH/KHOU) but since i dont know what to look for i never got anywere . so yesterday i went online and did some googling and find out that my old Canon Powershot A510 has the option of getting biger lences put on. i saw the adaptors online and lences but i dont know what im looking for when it comes to camera hardware. so is there any use of this adaptors or should i wait and save up for a nicer newer camera???

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User currently offlineviv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

You would do better with a basic DSLR body, even secondhand (Nikon D70 or similar) and a good mid-range zoom lens.


Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
User currently offlinespencer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1635 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Take Viv's sound advice. Any DSLR with 6 mega pixels and higher will give you great results, providing you learn how to use it and invest in a decent lens.
Spence



EOS1D4, 7D, 30D, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS USM, 70-200/2.8 L IS2 USM, 17-40 f4 L USM, 24-105 f4 L IS USM, 85 f1.8 USM
User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

thanks alot guys .....

User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

how about a used D60 with a AF-S DX NIKKOR
55-300mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR lens for $650 ??? i saw it at the pawn shop today ....


User currently offlinedarreno1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

A d60 will definitely get the job done and that lens should be fine for starters. However if I were you, I'd definitely test it out well before buying it. The price isn't bad but you can probably haggle it down to $600 or less. Also look out for deals on the d90 and d3100 as well.


Nikon D7000 / Nikkor 105mm AF f2.8 / Nikkor 35 f1.8G / Nikkor 50 f1.8D / Nikkor 85mm / Nikkor 300mm f4 AF
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Before I even comment on the camera, let me say this; a pawn shop is a terrible place to buy a camera, for many reasons;

First, pawn brokers are seldom knowledgeable about cameras in general, and they have almost no idea about the condition of a camera they take in; they really aren't in the camera business, they're in the "loan" business; ( read: making money business ) I wold absolutely advise against buying a camera from a pawn shop; especially if I didn't know a lot about cameras.

The best place to buy used camera equipment is at a high volume camera dealer, or else on eBay ( but only if you are knowledgeable about cameras AND about eBay ) ( better forget eBay for now )
The big dealers are extremely knowledgeable about equipment, they know how to "rate" equipment, almost all are honest, and many are very "OK" to deal with. I would much rather buy used equipment, sight unseen, online, from say B&H Photo in NYC, than trying to deal with an individual in my town.

Individuals only know what they paid for the camera; most have absolutely no idea what a particular used camera is worth; they only know what they "want" to get for it;

You must understand this; camera equipment is very complex; it is also very expensive unless you buy bottom of the line stuff; the only possible way one can make intelligent decisions about buying equipment, is to have knowledge; without it, you are at the seller's mercy, ( and very few have much mercy )

I think what is even harder, is for a knowledgeable person to advise a beginner as to what camera to buy ! There are just so many things one needs to know, that even the prospective buyer doesn't know; intended use for the camera; how "deep" are your pockets; etc. etc. etc. etc.

The camera you mentioned is definitely not a "buy" at the price mentioned; I just had a very good idea ! before you spend any amount of money for a camera, you need to do some "homework"; do this ( it's free )

Get on eBay, click on "electronics", then on "cameras and lenses"; then in the little search box, type in "Nikon D 60, or D 70, D 80, whatever; you will find hundreds and hundreds; go through them, see what they are asking for the same camera, etc. You can learn a lot about pricing just by browsing on eBay; get some knowledge this way.
You may very well find that you can buy a brand new camera/lens combo cheaper than what the pawn broker is asking for the used one, which he knows absolutely NOTHING about. When you familiarize yourself with prices a bit, before you spend a ton of money on any camera, send me an IM and I'll try to give you some advice.

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Thanks alot charley. I went to a few local dealers after doing a bit of homework on ebay and saw a used D70 the lens that comes with it its a nikkor 18-70mm the guy even offer me a 1g and a 5gb memory all for 300 and i get 90 days waranty .anything goes wrong i can bring it back . Sounds alot better than 650 . Now i know i could got a new cam for that much .

User currently offlinedarreno1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Well you have to consider the lens as well. The 55-300 vr lens that came with the d60 is around $300 or so. And you will more than likely need a longer lens than what you are getting with the d70. So you are probably going to end up spending around $600 or more anyway. However Charley's advice about pawn shops are right on the money and the deal you got with d70 is the safer bet.


Nikon D7000 / Nikkor 105mm AF f2.8 / Nikkor 35 f1.8G / Nikkor 50 f1.8D / Nikkor 85mm / Nikkor 300mm f4 AF
User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Darreno thanks for the reply i did took charleys advise . I do feel alot better with the second deal the guy even invite me to join him and oder customers that he has to go out on a weekend with a group of his customer and give than some sort of free lessons on how to use their cameras he says they pick a local park or anyother place and just go and take pictures and share with each other what they know . thanks alot for the advise on the 55-300 vr lens ill try to learn as much as posible before spending more money. once again thanks to you and all the others for the advise and help .

User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4324 times:

rtodepart.....

The dealer taking people out for lessons....

Sounds like a very good idea to me ! I've never heard of a dealer doing this, but it kinda indicates to me that he's a good business man, and probably a "good guy" as well.

Let me explain something about lenses to you; before digital photography came along, 35mm was the most common film "format"; all 35mm cameras used the same size film; the "35mm" referred to the width of the film; as you probably know, 35mm film has a row of sprocket holes down each side; the film lays flat against an "opening" ( which is 36 mm wide, and 24 mm high; ) this is known as the "format"; ...........all 35mm cameras use the same format. So all lenses designed for 35mm cameras are designed to produce a cone of light that fits that 24mm by 36mm format. So..........

Let's forget about zoom lenses for a minute; let's talk about fixed focal length, ( or so-called "prime" ) lenses;
On a 35mm camera, a lens with a focal length of about 50 to 55mm is said to be a "normal" lens; which simply means, that lens, with that format, sees things just about the same as your eyes see things; things appear "normal", no bigger, no smaller. OK.........so......as the focal length of lenses gets smaller, such as 35 mm, or 28 mm, the "field of view" becomes wider, and things appear farther and farther away, as the focal length gets shorter; anything shorter than, say, 28 mm is said to be a "wide angle" lens;

Going the other direction, as focal length becomes longer, the field of view becomes narrower, and things appear to be closer; just like a telescope. Zoom lenses are simply "variable focal length" lenses.

You need to understand all of this, because.............................along came digital photography; a "D-SLR", ( or Digital Single Lens Reflex ) camera looks just about like a 35mm camera; they are "similar" in some ways, but very different in other ways. To start with, as you know, they don't use film; they collect the light from the lens with a "sensor"; ( which is a very complex device, that goes by all manner of confusing names, and comes in "a bunch" of different sizes !
( all of which was apparently meant to "confuse" the hell out of anyone attempting to switch from shooting film to shooting "digital". ( I'm trying to "un-confuse" the differences between 35mm film, and D-SLR cameras )

In the beginning, sensors were very costly to make; so in the beginning they were very small; then they started getting a little bigger; it hasn't been but just a few years, that all but extremely expensive D-SLR cameras used sensors that were about the size of your little finger nail; so..........a lens from a 35mm camera used with that small little sensor.........much of the "cone of light" from that lens misses the sensor ! So they had to design all the lenses all over again. ( The lens used with a particular format (or sensor) needs to be designed so that all of light from the lens just fits on that size format. ) Looking on eBay, or any catalog, you'll notice lenses which are for DX and one that are for FX;
Here's the good part; you can use a FX lens with a DX body, but you can't use a DX lens with a FX body. ( That has recently become a very costly problem for guys who have been shooting D-90's and have a bunch of lenses, and now want to "graduate" to a full frame D-700, or a D 3s. ( Playing with cameras is like having a giant vacuum cleaner attached to your pocket ! )

Finally, now, 2011, things have become a little better; now, most D-SLR cameras (up to about $2,600 range) use a "DX" size sensor ( which is about 2/3 the size of a "FX" or "full frame" ) sensor; so here's what that means. You can mount a 50mm lens from a 35mm film camera on the D-70, and it will "work", but because the D-70 uses a "DX" (read: smaller) sensor, the "sffective" focal length will become about 75mm; The DX sensor is said to have a "crop factor" of 1.5 ( or 1.4 ), so you must multiply the focal length by 1.5 X .

In the Nikon line, the first camera "UP" to have a "FX" ( or "full frame" ) sensor is the D-700. The FX sensor is 24 X 36 mm, so it has the same format as a 35mm film camera, and in some cases is able to use the same lenses. ( but that's a whole "nother can of worms we won't worry about just now".

So with the 18-70 zoom lens on the D-70, you will have an effective focal length of about 27 to 105mm
I'm not familiar with either one of the lenses you mentioned, but as I mentioned before, I'd forget about the pawn broker and his 55-300mm lens.

With the D-70 body and one lens, the 18-70 zoom, you have all the lens you need until you learn to use the camera, and learn about photography. Then you can start thinking about what you want to take pictures of, and what you need to do it with. If you have a problem, or need to know something, send me an IM and I'll try to help.

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinertodepart From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Once again charley thanks alot .

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