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User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1370 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

Canon 5D MarkIII has been released. Faster shooting and more AF points compared to its predecessor
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkiii/

22.3 Megapixel full-frame sensor
61-point autofocus
Up to 6fps continuous shooting
Native ISO 100-25,600 sensitivity
Full HD video with manual control
14-bit DIGIC 5+ processor
Enhanced Weather sealing
8.11cm (3.2-inch) 1,040,000-dot screen
HDR mode with presets


3500 bucks, worth it? $1500 less you could get the markII

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User currently offlineswadeep From Thailand, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9822 times:

I have just infact asked this a few days back. I am upgrading also from 550D and deciding now between mk2 and mk3 having elimanated 7D. The price indeed is really high. Can't decide yet whether it's worth to go for MK3. I guess I'll wait and see few more responses before deciding.

Thanks
Swadeep



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User currently offlinebell407 From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

Just interested to know your reasoning as to why you eliminated the 7D as one of the options for your upgrade?


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User currently offlineswadeep From Thailand, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9813 times:

Quoting bell407 (Reply 2):

hi there.

Canon Camera Upgrade (by swadeep Feb 28 2012 in Aviation Photography)

I want to upgrade to full frame censor also interested in low light use also. To be honest i have not totally decided anything. I got a bit of time to research more , think and then I'll decide.

If you have any suggestions also please feel free.

Cheers
Swadeep



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User currently offlineeggohoek From Hungary, joined Nov 2005, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9780 times:
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As 5D mkII user for me don't worth to upgrade mkIII.
I required more MP from Canon.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3307 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9703 times:
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Quoting eggohoek (Reply 4):
I required more MP from Canon.

Why? Do you print posters larger than 30"x20"? 22MP is just fine for HUGE prints, and more megapixels would have given higher pixel density which leads to more native noise at all ISOs. Personally, I am thrilled they didn't increase the sensor size. I would have hated if they had.

However, for this price, it puts the camera out of reach since I want the 24-70 f/2.8L II.

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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

Well I've ordered mine - to replace a 5D mk1 AND a 1D3 (I'll be using it alongside a 7D).

Yes the price is high, but it depends how you look at it - this really is a bit of a hybrid camera. You're getting a lot of Canon pro features (weather proofing, lastest AF system, dual card support) for a lot less than a Canon 1Dx.

I had feared I would have to go with a 1DX to replace the above cameras, so the fact that the 5D3 appears to have all the features I need as well as an increase in pixel count means I can convince myself I'm saving money  

Strictly speaking, the 1D3 doesn't need replacing, but the spec of the 5D is good enough to allow me to use it for trade-in.

However, I can see how people with a 5DII would be disappointed - £3k is a lot just to get a decent AF system!

Whether or not this is good value compared to other camera makers is another matter - but I can't justify the loss in my lens investment which would result in switching brands - something I'm sure Canon included in their pricing calculations.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Its way more than a "new" AF module for your money.
Where will I start..

ISO 102000 and from the samples 6400 is brilliant even at pixel level..
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/03/02/canoneos5dmarkiii-isoseries

6FPS which is 50% faster than a non gripped D800 something women shooters highly appreciate in not having o fit a heavy grip to a big chunk of camera to start with...a segment Nikon continue to ignore..

Unlimited buffer if you shoot jpeg.

Twin card slots...about time..

63 zone metering..

HDR shooting..

Improved shutter life..150000 frames.

There is more..and on the AF system it is a direct copy of the 1Dx AF system including all options other than 1 which requires the larger metering system of he 1Dx..it is by far he best AF system ever put in a camera to date as the 1Dx hasn't been released. Something like 45 cross sensors..

No F8 converter work though as it's limited to f5.6 like the 1Dx

Overall great value package and considering its price will fall in a few months a brilliant camera with a swag of pro features and systems available for around 3k US.
Even at launch of 3500 it's great value. IIRC the original 5D launched or over 3000US so 3500 for all the stuff you get is from here value plus.



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User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Interesting at DP review latest D4 stuff is up.
I'm pretty surprised that a modest improvement in MP has affected the Nikon's Hi ISO performance.
The D3s still reigns...I'm surprised I was expecting another Nikon increase in Hi ISO capability.
The 5Dmk3 with a big MP advantage over the D3s has a real go at taking the crown of being a new hi ISO king...well until the 1Dx arrives...at 18 MP even if it just matches or trails at per pixel level the resampling will put it to the top of the heap.
And the poor performance of the D800 with 36mp crammed onto a sensor starts looking like a bad decision.
Interesting times!



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting Dehowie (Reply 7):
Its way more than a "new" AF module for your money.

Of course it is - but the I think the other changes are more evolutionary than revolutionary, and I can see that these alone may be hard to justify as an upgrade from the 5D2 - its all about 'good enough' versus 'best'.

But for me the AF is the important thing - I've always felt the 5D was crippled by the AF system - everything else was perfectly useable. The new AF turns the 5D into a camera for all situations.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlinegonzalu From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9384 times:
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D4 is a bit cleaner than D3s in some cases. From what I can see if the samples posted, shadow area noise at ISO 6400, processed in Capture NX (latest version) renders shadow noise a lot smoother and cleaner than D3s.

D3s is still king when Quantum Efficiency becomes the dominant factor: ISO 102K ... it is cleaner than D4!

For the most part, I think the D4 will be a better choice for someone upgrading from D3 (myself) or D700 as the features alone are worth the upgrade. I shoot a lot of Airshows and Sports. The deep deep buffer and super fast QXD cards are worth the price alone !

I am also getting a D800 to fill the void my D2Xs left behind (sold it waiting for a D300s upgrade or a new Pro D series DX body   )



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Quoting gonzalu (Reply 10):
I am also getting a D800 to fill the void my D2Xs left behind (sold it waiting for a D300s upgrade or a new Pro D series DX body )

Hey Manny great seeing you at JFK this morning, too bad the light sucked ba**s. I meant to tell you, while I don't think there will be another DX pro body, something tells me the D300s successor will still have a crop sensor. I bet we'll know for sure by Photokina time

-William


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

Not worth it.

The 7D is a better camera than the MkII in almost every sense (except for the full frame sensor). And believe me - it is the full frame sensor that incurs the cost. It is physically difficult and expensive to make.

So why do you need a full frame sensor? You don't. Unless it's truly important to you for "50mm" to mean the same now as it did in 1976, there really are no tangible advantages to full frame - at least, none which justify the price differential. And also, I defy any photographer to say hand on heart that they never have any use for a built in flash. The 5D 'aint got one. The 7D does.

I'm actually still using my 30D from 2007. Yes, the "purist" in me occasionally hankers after a full frame D-SLR - but entirely for emotional reasons rather than practical. I use L-series lenses - and when I'm disappointed with the photographs, it's 99% because of me - and not because I don't have a 7D or 5D.

That said, more megapixels would occasionally be nice (but only rarely!) - so when the "7D MkII" is released, I'll be taking a look at that.


User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4817 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9160 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 12):
The 7D is a better camera than the MkII in almost every sense (except for the full frame sensor). And believe me - it is the full frame sensor that incurs the cost. It is physically difficult and expensive to make.

So why do you need a full frame sensor? You don't. Unless it's truly important to you for "50mm" to mean the same now as it did in 1976, there really are no tangible advantages to full frame - at least, none which justify the price differential. And also, I defy any photographer to say hand on heart that they never have any use for a built in flash. The 5D 'aint got one. The 7D does.

Seriously? I have the 7D. I want the 5D (still debating mk2 or mk3). Know why I want full frame? Two major reasons for me. I want the better ISO performance...the 7D can't touch the 5Ds ISO performance! And two, full frame sensors offer much greater depth of field for portraits. The difference in DoF is incredible and it's not something I realized until I shot with a full frame for the first time.

The 5Dmk2 and the 7D serve two different purposes. 5Dmk2 is great for landscape and studio/portrait work and the 7D is great for action. If I got the 5Dmk2 I would need to keep my 7D to be able to handle my interests in action photography. However, with this new 5Dmk3, the 7D becomes less relevant alongside it. So I'm considering giving up my 7D to get the new 5D.

Full frame cameras have substantial benefits, in my opinion.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
I want the better ISO performance...the 7D can't touch the 5Ds ISO performance!

Would anyone truly know this is an issue had it not been measured in the laboratory? I doubt it.



Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 13):
full frame sensors offer much greater depth of field for portraits

You mean full frame sensors offer much LESS depth of field for portraits. That's true as far as it goes - but you can certainly produce lovely bokeh with cropped sensors - it's just a case of getting focal length and aperture combination right as it is for anything. But yes, for a given lens, at a given perpsective, at a given aperture, depth of field will be less in full frame sensors.

That point is, IMHO, far outweighed by the 7D's:
- price
- weight
- better weatherproofing
- better autofocus
- HD video.


User currently offlinegonzalu From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9100 times:
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William, I just hope you're right. I like the D7000 but it is far from being a D300s   Great hanging this morning even with sucky light :P


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User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4817 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9094 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
Would anyone truly know this is an issue had it not been measured in the laboratory? I doubt it.

Um yes. Having a play with both cameras made it quite obvious immediately. Shots at ISO 400-800 on the 5D are cleaner than ISO 100-200 on the 7D. I'm not a pixel peeper and I have no problem with the 7D noise levels. Most can be corrected easily and it's never been a problem. But I could still see very clearly that the 5Dmk2 kicks the 7D's butt.

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
You mean full frame sensors offer much LESS depth of field for portraits.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. I meant to say greater depth of field advantages. The shallow depth of field is something I find very attractive. You are right that good blur can be obtained by experimenting with focal length and aperture, but I find in order to achieve satisfactory bokeh I must zoom in extremely tight. I often run into compositional problems of cutting of parts of the subject because I went in so tight.

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
That point is, IMHO, far outweighed by the 7D's:
- price
- weight
- better weatherproofing
- better autofocus
- HD video.

Price, ok. Weight? I'm not sure that's an issue. Side by side the 7D and 5Dmk2 are the same size...not sure what the weight difference is, but not much.

The other three points you listed are major improvements in the 5Dmk3. I'd consider getting rid of the 7D if I got the new 5D.

It all comes down to what you need and what you like to shoot. Right now the 5D and the 7D are taylored for different applications. However the new 5Dmk3 seems to be more well-rounded to be used for almost anything.



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User currently offlinearndt262 From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9061 times:

Quoting swadeep (Reply 1):

The problem of the 5Dmk2 is the weak auto-focus in low light conditions. The 5Dmk3 has big improvements in this point. I was thinking about having the mk2, too, as it is cheaper. But I guess in a few month I would hate myself for not choosing the mk3.

Arndt


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3307 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9050 times:
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Quoting arndt262 (Reply 17):
The problem of the 5Dmk2 is the weak auto-focus in low light conditions. The 5Dmk3 has big improvements in this point. I was thinking about having the mk2, too, as it is cheaper. But I guess in a few month I would hate myself for not choosing the mk3.

Don't hesitate for a single second over choosing the Mk2. I bought one in December, and I couldn't be happier. The poor AF is a myth created by those who don't use the 5D2 for what it's meant to do. If you're trying to shoot a guy in a black suit, in front of a black background, using an outer point and AF servo mode, then any camera will struggle and, yes, the 5D2 will miss. But, and I can't stress this enough, if you're using the camera like it's intended to be used (i.e. in a scenario where high-ISO, low frame-rate, and single-shot focus are acceptable), it's really, really hard to make this camera miss focus. And if you're using the center, you'll never, EVER miss.

Get the 5D2, save yourself the money over the few nice features the 5D3 has. You won't regret it.

TIS



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8979 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 16):
However the new 5Dmk3 seems to be more well-rounded to be used for almost anything.

Except in situations where you didn't bring your external flash.


User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4817 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8965 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 19):
Except in situations where you didn't bring your external flash.

Most of my lenses are too large for the built-in flash to be used effectively. The large barrels create shadows. Therefore, I don't have a need for the built in flash. I have an external flash to handle that job.



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 20):
Except in situations where you didn't bring your external flash.

Most of my lenses are too large for the built-in flash to be used effectively. The large barrels create shadows. Therefore, I don't have a need for the built in flash. I have an external flash to handle that job.

Yep - completely agree that if you have zero need for an in built flash, need maximal bokeh effect, and money is no object, the 5D MkIII is the camera of choice.

But, if like me you are a mere mortal who occasionally is grateful for the presence of an inbuilt flash, and someone for whom value for money is important, I'd still argue the current 7D is a better way to go.


User currently offlineswadeep From Thailand, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8828 times:

Quoting arndt262 (Reply 17):

yeah i am kinda settled with mark III now. waiting for it to come and let's see.  



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User currently offlinearndt262 From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Quoting swadeep (Reply 22):
yeah i am kinda settled with mark III now. waiting for it to come and let's see.

Me too. I'm waiting for it to come as a kit with the 24-105/4is!

Arndt


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 742 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 18):
But, and I can't stress this enough, if you're using the camera like it's intended to be used (i.e. in a scenario where high-ISO, low frame-rate, and single-shot focus are acceptable), it's really, really hard to make this camera miss focus. And if you're using the center, you'll never, EVER miss.

... so I guess that's why the new model cost so much more - it actually works in any other situation  

Seriously, I don't think you can contend that that's how the 5Dii was intended to be used. The bottom line is that Canon wanted the Mk ii to be the first DSLR to produce quality video - apart from that feature it is essentially a standard 5D - Canon spent no effort in improving a now 7 year old model except for a new sensor. Metering, AF, speed, LCD are all seriously out of date. This was not a design decision, it was a marketing one.

Of course it is possible to get brilliant stills from a 5Di, ii, or for that matter any DSLR Canon has produced, but as your statement indicates, you have to work round the camera's limitations. The mk III if it lives up to the paper spec. seems to come pretty close to a 'no limits' camera at a price significantly below that of the 1D line.

If I were Mr Canon I'd be concerned about the impact this will have on 1D sales (including the new 1Dx) - I was considering a 1Dx, but honestly cannot see a single reason to pay an extra 2K+ for it. The 5Diii may seem an expensive jump compared to xD or xxD cameras, but you are getting a lot for your money.

Cheers,

Colin



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25 ua935 : People will pay the additional simply to have a dedicated, separate processor for AF alone let alone the better build etc. The 5D MK III and 1D X are
26 arndt262 : It will have an impact on 1DX sales, as press photographers won't be forced to take the 1DX as the 5Dmk3 can shoot 6 frams per second. If you are not
27 LGW340 : Couldn't agree more, I was honestly quite shocked by the poor ISO performance of the EOS 7D Chris Goodwin
28 Post contains images ckw : Well I was going to, but have instead put my deposit on the 5D III, so that's one IDx sale lost Yes, they are targetted at different sectors, but peo
29 Post contains images arndt262 : I still have it and I was very happy with it I even shot icehockey with it. The speed was and is sensational. I expect the same from the 5Dmk3! So if
30 ckw : My 5D3 arrived yesterday - not had much time to play with it, but initial impression is very favourable. Basically it handles and performs much like a
31 NZ107 : Wow, that sounds pretty crazy. Something to be saving up for I think. Just might take a little while! Love to see some sample pics sometime soon! Is
32 ckw : Yes - Abobe 6.7 beta handles the Mk III just fine - avaiilable for download now. I don't upload here, but there will be pics on another site in the n
33 AdurianJ : I might get the 5D3 because i shoot models. One of the problems with using a full frame camera is that the glass get more expensive because you need t
34 eadster : I am an owner of both Cameras, the 7D isn't half the camera of the 5DmkII The images are so different noise and quality wise, its amazing... 5DmkII ha
35 Silver1SWA : The 5Dmk3 has been called a full frame 7D, with better image quality of course. That makes me very, very interested. I'm considering a huge shakeup i
36 cpd : I've tried the 5D Mk.III, just briefly. Enough to know that it's a huge quantum leap from the 5D Mk.II. I used the 5D II for portrait photography with
37 eadster : I am very interested too now don't worry!!!
38 Post contains links Tomskii : For the dutch speaking people on here, nice little comparison between the Mark II and Mark III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwWEGZXspI
39 Post contains images MWHCVT : Well I ordered the 5D3 yesterday so expect some photo's to be posted in the non-av section soon Matt MWHCVT
40 Post contains images Silver1SWA : I hate you.
41 Post contains images MWHCVT : haha well I had to do something to try and keep up with your excellent work so it was about time I treated myself to something a little more upmarket
42 Post contains images MWHCVT : Well it's here and all I can say is wow it's a great chunk of hardware
43 Post contains images yerbol : Friends, Have anyone tried 5D Mark3 for aviation photography? May I see an example please? Thanks in advance!
44 ckw : Not yet - just yachts and motor racing so far ... the AF worked better than I had hoped for motor racing - better than my 1D3 it replaced. Cheers, Co
45 Post contains images yerbol : Thanks Colin! I need a ASAP!
46 chris78cpr : Where did you get yours? Mines been on order for what seems like an eternity?!?!?
47 ckw : I think there was a delay in supply while Canon looked into the infamous 'light leak issue'. I think stocks are following again now. Best bet would b
48 Post contains images MWHCVT : Sorry hadn't been into the thread for a while but I got mine from DigitalRev and was extremely happy with the service and speed less than 2 working d
49 Post contains images cpd : There were some examples posted in the forum of the "other" aviation photo website. 5D Mk.III and 400mm F/2.8L lens.. I'm sure the photographer will
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