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What's With All The Aerial Pics At LAX  
User currently offlinerichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

I notice so many great photos on a.net of planes arriving and departing LAX that are taken right above the runways, with planes almost directly below the photographer. And they're obviously not taken from the tower. Where are all of these taken from, helicopters hovering over LAX? And why does this appear to be more common at LAX than anywhere else. Great stuff.

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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

We had the impression they were taken from fixed-wing aircraft, presumably at 2500-3500 ft. LAX allows VFR flights over the airport at that altitude; do other airports?

User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6902 times:

Some from helicopters,some from fixed wing aircraft,both having advantages and disadvantages. It is common in LAX because they allow the VFR flights overhead. Not many other airports allow that.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

There's a VFR transition route through the Los Angeles Class B airspace that takes aircraft directly over the field at 2,500 feet.

Similarly, I've transitioned through the Class C airspace surrounding Fort Lauderdale by flying directly over the field at the same altitude (which is indeed an amazing experience), but it's not a charted procedure like at LAX.

[Edited 2012-03-03 16:00:44]

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 1):
LAX allows VFR flights over the airport at that altitude; do other airports?

If you leave NEW heading west, ATC will often send you right over the top of MSY and there's even a VFR corridor shown on the sectional. Makes for some interesting views with the airline traffic below you.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlinerunner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Right over the top of an airport at 2500 is the safest and best place to be.

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

Quoting runner13 (Reply 5):

Assuming the overshoot procedure is to A2000  


User currently offlinerunner13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 6):
Assuming the overshoot procedure is to A2000

Even if it's not, if they go around last minute, still wont even come close. If they decide to go around far enough out usually because of a mechanical issue as in gear or flaps there is plenty of time to climb above or vector away. Talking from experience from plenty of lifeflight helicoptors, and sight seeing VFR guys, crossing midfield at 2500 is the best place. When working I don't even think twice about them.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting richiemo (Thread starter):


Last week I overflew JFK to the VOR and back out with no problem and that was upon immediate request, (classB). LGA got me over their runway intersection at 1200' as I had an aerial shoot nearby at a power plant (also class B). So yes, you can obtain passage through controlled airspace in most cases. LAX has consistently good lighting that one can count on especially when spending nice change $$$ on a chopper is concerned. The airport I always depart from has much in the way of chopper instruction and their pattern work always parallels the active where we have a lot of WN 37's arriving and departing. The good images you have seen I suspect are recorded from choppers, not fixed wing aircraft. At 2500 feet you would need perfect timing, a longer focal length lens and repeated passes. With a chopper you could effectively in 1 hour obtain many arrival/ departure shots just by flying patterns. In addition, lower altitude, no door, shorter focal length, etc...bring your AMEX card!...$500.00-$2500.00/hr depending on type!


User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

The helicopter shots are old news by now. I want to start a new fad; shooting airliners from hot air baloons! I finally have a place to put my tripod  

User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 9):

Don't bump into one of the 1000 UAV's Obama has commisioned...  Wow!


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):
The good images you have seen I suspect are recorded from choppers, not fixed wing aircraft.

The 2007 chart says only fixed-wings allowed on the route that passes above the east end of runways 24 (the SMO 128-deg radial).


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 11):


Not familiar with LAX charts but choppers are handled differently anywhere I have seen them operate. Still can't believe the tight low shots are from fixed wing aircraft.


User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5573 times:
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Quoting megatop412 (Reply 9):
The helicopter shots are old news by now. I want to start a new fad; shooting airliners from hot air baloons! I finally have a place to put my tripod

Man that sounds like a super cool idea that I'd love to try...seriously.

What are the cons - besides being in an aircraft that basically flies wherever the hell it feels like (correct me please if I've misunderstood control of a balloon)?   

You guys will love these videos of Bill Daniels' "Cablevision Tool" Lear 35 doing some sweet flybys past a balloon. Some are just hauling ass and sound so cool! Some are far away, some are takeoff/landing from a distance, and they even barrell roll past the balloon. This is one of my favorite all-time videos.

I think the most interesting part of it all is the sound - obviously much more a benefit to Videographers lol but I can't think of another way to hear a LearJet blast past you 5000ft up in dead silence with nothing around to reflect it. Truely an unforgettable experience, I'm sure.  

Enjoy: http://www.optimaljet.com/OptimalJetHTML/N10BDFlight.htm


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