Aer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 0 Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3524 times:
I suppose this is mainly directed to those like Mike, Joe, Andy and Carlos but here goes anyway.
Would any of you dare give me a sort of review and your opinions of the film, trying not to be biased of course ! My reason being that I recently saw some processed paid K64 for the same price as Fuji Sensia 100 and Im quite anxious to try it out, it being much more expensive in other camera stores that I've been in.
approx $10 I saw it for and maybe some people could tell me how much it is where they live, just for comparison sake
S.P.A.S. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
We don't have KR down here in Brazil, so we have to use Fuji or Ektachrome.
I used Eckta many years ago but since 5 years I'm a Fuji user, mainly Velvia 50 or Provia 100F... I also had the opportunity to use KR, both 25 and 64, and what I can say, without trying to start and Fuji x KR war, is that I don't like it, as I think KR has a greyish look..the colours seem not natural and it is also much more difficult to scan it with nice results. Fuji, specialy the 100F, brings out very sharp images and very natural colour rendition...
Now, being a litle nasty, check out the professional photography magazines around and you will see that most of the pros use Fuji only, KR is hardly mentioned.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2888 times:
Excellent film... beautiful virbrant saturated colours (better than any else in my opinion, and certainly NOT yucky - sorry Dan, you're wrong!)... and very very easy to scan.
It must be handled correctly though. Exposure must be very accurate, it must definitely not be underexposed except on the very brightest of days, and if its a bit dull it helps to give it a bit of a kick with a little bit of over-exposure.
PS: The only pictures of mine ("Andy Martin") on the database that are not on Kodachrome 64, out of 649, are the pics of the BMI A330 and one picture of a 747 taken at Manchester many years ago. I shall not be moving away from K64 until it disappears from the market.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
With respect Joge, that sort of inappropriate comparison is just the sort of thing that can get ANY film a bad name. Aeroflot IL-96 - direct sun, Gulf Air A330 - no direct sun but bright background (there are no shadows from the Gulf Air, look below the wing whereas there is beneath the Aeroflot). This Gulf Air was taken in just the sort of lighting situation that would fool almost any camera metering system (note I say metering system and NOT the film).
The next bit is not directed at you Joge, but is a general observation:
Kodachrome rewards those who are prepared to get to know how to use it properly. It is not a simple point and shoot film, but in all honesty neither is most slide film. The people who I find typically get disenchanted with K64 are those who put a film in the camera and expect perfect results every time, no matter what the lighting conditions, just by leaving the camera on automatic. These people will usually get better results from prints, where minor exposure errors are compensated for in the printing process. If a photographer is prepared to learn to use camera and film, and adapt to get the best out of both, Kodachrome will reward with some of the most stunning slides you will ever see.
Every so often I get frustrated with Kodak - the processing, etc. But without fail, once that yellow box falls through the mail box, everything is forgiven and I abandon any idea of using any other film.
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2845 times:
I tell you what i found worst about K64, it was the fact that I don't get out to an airport very often and so never get good conditions or weather or anything. And that is where it was worst, but to be honest I find it lifeless compared to the more vibrant films (Fuji's slide films and most print films).
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
OK guys, I'll admit that K64 can be a bit lack-lustre on dull days if not treated right, but what the heck... If its dull, leave the camera in the bag unless the subject matter is really worthwhile anyway (and if you do get the camera out, know how to get the best out of the film ). Dull days are marginal in terms of it being worthwhile to shoot anyway - save money and effort and wait til the sun comes out. Then use K64 - on sunny days it'll reward you more than any other!
LGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2833 times:
Im the same as Dan. I am doing my A-Levels 8-4.30 Monday - Friday and I work from 8-6 on a Saturday. That leaves me with sunday which I have coursework/revision to do etc. So I have to plan a day to go to the airport and go regardless of the weather. I dont reallyt get a choice!
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Dan, that cloudy thai 744 pic i just put up is K64 and its fine, so K64 can be shot in any weather. I think the reason many people hate it is because like anything in life that requires a bit more attention- its overlooked because you can shoot something else and not worry about light etc as much.
I tell you what i found worst about K64, it was the fact that I don't get out to an airport very often and so never get good conditions or weather or anything.
EDIpic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2807 times:
Kodak isn't selling a lot of KR64 to Scottish a.netters that I know.
Fred Seggie and David Unsworth along with myself have dumped KR64 for Fuji. I think we may have converted Alastair Gardiner to Fuji last year as well whilst the rest have all gone 100% digital.
It's the Fuji quality and service that's won us over.
TomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2808 times:
Most of my color images on A.net are K64. I disagree with those who say it doesn't work in cloudy weather. I have found that K64's higher contrast actually enhances some bad weather shots.
K64 isn't as colorful overall as most other slide films today. But many other films have colors that are less realistic, some very much so. This characteristic is more noticable on non-airliner photography, such as scenery. For me, telephoto shots with K64 require bright sunlight, otherwise I find myself shooting at 1/100 or so which is marginal.
It costs a little less than Provia 100F for film and development where I live. It has a huge following among transportation shooters to this day. Don't go near the disasterous 200 speed version. If you have done everything right, expect the sharpest images you are likley to get with any film. The problems I have with K64 are as actually problems with the Kodak organization more than anything else.
1.It takes too long to get K64 slides back, 15-18 days lately for most people not living in a big US city.
2.The infamous Kodachrome scratch has been around for 20 years. This is a shallow lateral scratch running most of the length of the roll. Usually about 1/3 down from top of frame. They say it's not their problem-hah!
None of the competitors give you an image like it. It is ancient history, but it is still among the very best there is. Buy it, try it. You can learn to love it, but the same can't be said of the Kodak organization.
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
Why dont they make a new kinda of film which is derived from K64 and has all the goodies including its ASA setting of 64.
Ekta and Elite.. YUCK!
I dont like that film either as I shot 3 rolls.. puhh!
But I will give this film another try sometime.. As some picts came out decent in scans.. And even in Projection light ALL KL64 shots came out wonderful!!!!
But I just hate Kodak. They put in Goobies and scratches for almsot all my shots..
What are these guys? Grade 1? 4 days of lab training??!
I like the fujis cuz they are more flexible than the old 64. and quick/cheap yada yada..
Joe pries From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1957 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
You know, this may upset alot of people but i really have to laugh- i am involved with auctioning of kodachrome slides pretty heavily (many of you reading this know about kodachrome slide auctions that take place all over the world)- slides that are selling sometimes for over $400 (yes, thats four hundred dollars for one slide)- so when people tell me that they switched from kodachrome to fuji or prints or whatever, i say to myself- hey, do what you have to do my friend. With kodachrome, even if you shoot for yourself, you are shooting something that has value- possibly tremendous value to certain collectors. So I just keep on listening to all the people who switch, and thats all good and dandy- but i swear if any of you email me privately and i show you some auction results you're seriously gonna be angry that the format you choose (whatever it is other than kodachrome) is worth nothing to a collector, only to you or if you sell it to a company.
To each his own- for me- its kodachrome- and when digital slr's increase to above 7MP's and are somewhat affordable, i'll use digital to complement the slides.
Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
People complain that shooting in poor/no sun conditions with K64 produces poor results. Well, you really shouldn't be shooting in those conditions anyway. While a hot item or if you're on a trip is fine, I personally stay away from the airport on anything but good sunny days. The result with any film in poor conditions is just that..poor.
With that said..
Kodachrome is excellent. I find the colors to be dead-on, exactly as the scene I just shot. You really have to see a perfectly exposed K25/64 slide to appreciate the film. Anyone here who shot K64 and said that it was horrible or "yucky" well..without being rude..didn't shoot a quality shot. Plain-and-simple guys (and girls)! If you are nailing the exposure and focusing, shooting in the conditions any slide shooter should be shooting in (sun!) you should have a perfect slide representing the scene as close as I've seen on any film type. Yes, K64 is not the best but it IS pretty damn good. If anyone wants to see what I mean just stop by my apartment in Rockaway Beach and I'll show you 1000's of "pretty damn good" slides. And no, this is not a bash against Fuji, Provia 100F is good also just not for me as a serious slide collector. Kodachrome is the currency required for that purpose.
So Martin...I say go for it!! Try out that K64 and shoot away....
F27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
I have to agree with Joe we bought a colection that is all kodachrome and is worth a mint. Will be starting to Auction them soon. My camera is a KR64 Virgin as that is all that will ever go in there. On a cloudy day i use my other camera to shoot prints only as a safety shot just in case anything happens to the aircraft. I started to use KR64 in the 70's and have always loved it and always will. What you shoot today is going to be worth a fortune in the future. Especilly to serious slide collectors like me who shoot rolls of spares to trade and sell with other collectors
: The problem with Kodachrome is that it takes too long to process. I think this is the main factor that newbies (as myself) start off with other films,
: Shooting Kodachrome is fine, but for non-collectors/traders (which is about 90% of us), it is an inconvenience. Poor quality control from Kodak, redic
: But does Fuji give you a licence to print money at auctions like KR 64 does as joe said the price that old slides are going for you will never seee Fu
28 Joe pries
: sorry to sound mean but what you say below, 5280 sounds dumb as heck- how can you say that it is hogwash and then say will "probaby last just as long"
: Maybe the novice / beginner type shooters should start off with Prints and after a while with increased skill and knowledge of the camera they are usi
: ok, so we have come to the conclusion so far that.. If you are a collecter, and 50mm shooter, then Kodachrome is for you. If you are just a hobbyist o
31 Joe pries
: Dan, please note- full frame sharp as a tack action shots (approach/rotate/whatever) are very much accepted by k64 collectors- not just 50mm ramp shot
: All I am saying is that traders are not the majority of aviation photographers, nor are they the standard. Most people are interested in achieving the
33 Joe pries
: 5280, Im sitting here telling you that all the money you spend on film- you can recoup a good percentage of it if you shoot kr- if that sounds unreaso
: I have to agree with Joe on one part. The word 'probably' did your argument in. Don't get me wrong, I am a former K64 refugee myself and now a solid F
: I do not argue the fact that Kodachrome is probably not the best slide film out there or easiest to shoot but come on?? Crap? Can't get good results?
: I still Think KR64 sucks in less-than-perfect conditions, it just looks...
: I still Think KR64 sucks in less-than-perfect conditions, it just looks I think any film or any shot sucks in less-than-perfect conditions unless it's
38 Joe pries
: eggd, so in other words youre saying that mine and other people who shoot kodachrome here on ainet in less than perfect conditions, our pics should be
: Martin: Kodachrome 64 offers the best combination of color and proven longevity of any slide film. The historic contrast is with Ektachrome, which his
: EGGD says "yucky in almost all conditions except sun fully on the a/c." I say don't waste film on overcast days.
: Joe..don't believe what you read..isn't that your famous line. As if I had to tell you..Kodachrome is perfect in excellent conditions and holds up jus
: Staffan wrote: "I've shot a few rolls of K64, found it rather tricky to get the exposure correct, most of the shots came out underexposed. If I used i
: I should quantify my statement "K64 refugee" what I meant by that was that I often a victim of their (Kodak's) increasingly slow and poor processing i
: EGGD goes on and on about K64 looking awful on cruddy days See: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=211291 It was a cruddy day. Any film would produ
: I can appreciate all the reasons for those who use and promote KR64.....in fact I may have some old slides from my KR64 days that are probably worth $
46 Joe pries
: Gerry- i 120% disagree- example- today mclaughlin and i shot for the first time primo shots of aer lingus A330-200 EI-DAA. you should have seen us- li
: Joe: I completely agree with the fact that there is nothing wrong with making a few extra bucks on the side. But, you don't need Kodachrome to do so (
48 Joe pries
: 5280, yes you dont need kodachrome but between myself, mclaughlin and psa188 i think we've pretty much nailed it home why kodachrome helps you out. yo
: It's this simple : Shooting Kodachrome is like having the best of both worlds... not only do you get a high-quality slide for publications (whatever t
50 Carlos Borda
: Wow! Are we having a nice K64 discussion of here today.... I can't really add much more than what Joe, Mike, Bill, Andy, Rob, Tom, Bo already added. B
51 Carlos Borda
: If I remember Joe's line correctly it's "Believe nothing that you read and half of what you see" (I think) Another thing about K64 too... I'm sure if/
: People complain that shooting in poor/no sun conditions with K64 produces poor results. Well, you really shouldn't be shooting in those conditions any
: Here is my 2 cents... I just came back from Japan with 40 rolls of KR and 20 rolls of RDP. While I know RDP seems to be better in some respects, I can
: K64 photos are already faded, that's why you don't have to edit them. -Joge
55 Aer Lingus
: Thanks guys for the comments. Very interesting indeed to read and keep them coming. One of the main reasons for bringing this topic is after looking t
: Psa188, yes perhaps I would get better quality and long lasting slides if I waited 3 weeks, I do that some times, but I haven't been shooting a/c for
: Good one Martin... Having read more of this thread, I will admit that I won't close the door on KR64 but it won't be my normal 1st choice either but I
: Shooting planes with a harpoon is illegal...
: Hey Joge, we agree on something finally! http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/C-FCRW.jpg Shot on a really hazy day, with the sun in front of me, I t
60 Aer Lingus
: Dan is your lens f***ed or something ? Have a look at the maple leaf on the AC baggage cart on the far right. Its totally distorted yet the one beside
: Yes Dan, get your lens alignment checked out. I see you took the shot on 29th December at 13:13! Is that right? Gerry/EDI
: My opinion: Kodachrome is a GREAT slide film. It WAS the best. It WAS the sharpest, with higher colour accuracy, developing was the safest, and the ol
: Yup, I have had that problem ever since I dropped the thing, but it only appears on certain photos . Maybe I should get it checked out.... Yeah I took
: Again, I appreciate the fact that some of you guys like to sell and trade your slides, but most people do not. I really could care less how much money
65 Joe pries
: yes 5280 you are indeed getting the wrong message- no one is saying shoot kodachrome or else you are an amateur and your shots suck- were just saying
66 Carlos Borda
: Makes a lot of sense Joe... to be able to offset some of the high cost of travel with the sale/auction of K64 slides. Air fare, hotels, rental cars, c
: This KR issue always leds to the auction/selling matters and I personally think all this sucks... I don't shoot slides, whatever KR nor Fuji, thinking
: Yes, it is a hobby. The hobby of trading excellent quality slides which at this time require Kodachrome slides if you're going to do it with the big s
: ========================== So, what you're saying is just because we require slides (in my case Kody) that it's no longer a hobby? ==================
: Come on guys, this is just turning into another dick measuring contest like the Nikon vs. Canon thread. Everyone has their own personal preferences...
: Don't hold back Aric, tell us all what you really think LGW
72 Joe pries
: well said Aric. Renato, you sound like an angry print shooter (had to) Joe
73 Aer Lingus
: Jeeze guys Im only asking an opinion on a film I've never used before. I come back and there's 72 replies of which 60 are KR v Fuji. Please stick to t
74 Joe pries
: lingus, this is always a heated debate so thats no surprise. btw- yesterday EI-DAA got smashed on k64 slides- finally after a long long time of huntin
: I really don't have an opinion, I shoot digital! Seriosuly though, the system that works best for me is a combination of digital (which is 95% of my w
76 Aer Lingus
: Please call me Martin I hate being called Aer Lingus or Lingus or Cunnilingus or whatever......... Its so impersonal MARTIN I look forward to seeing s
77 Jan Mogren
: I think cunnilingus is pretty personal... /JM
78 Joe pries
: Martin, you know, i thought about that- i didnt want to call you lingus but thats what your name says- see mine and Jans, its our names- so you know w
: I have yet to see DAA Maybe in DUB or SNN when I go LGW
: Martin wrote: "Jeeze guys Im only asking an opinion on a film I've never used before. I come back and there's 72 replies of which 60 are KR v Fuji. Pl
: Joe, how did you know that was my prison number?
82 Joe pries
: because- 5280AGL- Assumed Guarded & Lockedup
83 Aer Lingus
: Bill Im merely meant that I ddint want this to move into a KR v Fuji war. And thank you for your opinions also Bill Martin
: Hey Joe... Yeap, indeed I do prints, but also slides, mainly Fuji 100F... but I made some KR in the past... Renato
85 Joe pries
: Its a shame- for me, not for you Renato because there are alot of beautiful shots you take down in GRU that I would love to buy from you if you were s
: Exactly Joe... that's how much we love our KR... we have to get guys to go down there and shoot the stuff for us. Which reminds me Joe, if you see som
: Lots of debate, but none of it very scientific. Even less of it very convincing. I'm curious to know why no one has made a true film comparison on thi
88 Joe pries
: Tom- good comments but do keep one thing in mind- the so called "debate" is not necessarily centered around which is better- k64 or provia but rather
: TomH...I'd have to agree with Joe on this one. I'm not debating the films or trying to find out which is better. So a scentific test result is useless
: Hmm lots of opinion, less fact except that I agree with Joe that if you want to sell slides then K64 is probably the only way to go. Let's try a few m
91 LGB Photos
: Here are some Kodachrome 64 photos from me. The first one is taken just immedietly after the sun came over the horizon in the morning. Click for large
: hhmm, i would've thought that most KR64 shooters would highly recommend it, otherwise why would they be..... nevermind
93 LGB Photos
: I do but only in bright daytime or for nightshots depending on the light. Stephen
: (Hee hee… we have this topic come up on a regular basis but I still have to throw my 2 cents in!) “K” is a great film... especially K25 (R.I.P).
95 LGB Photos
: Really? I had no idea that Fuji developed Provia 100F for archival! I just starting a little bit of it because I like the color balance and detail. St
: Why on earth would anyone want to bring K200 back!? Unless, of course this is a new kind of 200 slide film that's actually worth using. Cheers, Colin
97 Jan Mogren
: They killed the gem in the series, the K25, and bring back the K200. I'm lost for words. /JM