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User currently offlinejeffreyklm From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 39 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10519 times:

Good evening all.

I just want to warn you all to be on the lookout.

There's a facebook profile called "World's best aviation photos". Sounds nice and all but in fact the person behind this page takes photos from airliners.net and edits out the watermarks and copyrights. This surely is concidered as theft.

Link to the page: https://www.facebook.com/#!/WorldsBestAviationPhotography

Stay on the lookout on this page, perhaps you can find your own image stolen one time. If we don't take actions.


Kind regards, Jeffrey Schäfer. Fellow photographer.


✈ a mile of road or railway leads to nowhere, a mile of runway leads to everywhere. ✈ Aeronautical Engineering Student ✈
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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10470 times:

Photographs from here, and their photographers, who are uncredited on the offending facebook page (a.net watermarks and copyright info removed, edited photo then posted by user):

Michel Gilliand - LH 722
Marseno Bremer - AZ 772
Xu Zheng - LH A346
Jerome Zbinden - SQ 77W
Saurabh C. Patel - JL 77W
Andrew Hunt - NZ 747-400 (LAX air-to-ground)
Marco Zeininger - LH Avro 146
Jahnel Klaus - S7 A320
Jeffwell - VS A346 (the famous rainbow contrail)
Richard Barsby - NW A319
Thanat W. - V Australia 777 @ Phuket
Zaninger Jonathan - JJ A330
Darren Wilson - BA 737
Jared Romanowicz - FE A306
Alevik - FE A306
Konstantin Von Wedelstaedt - FE A306
Cary Liao - FE A306

I'm sure there are more.


User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

I suggest someone from the a.net crew follow the advice as provided by Facebook and get this shut down:
https://www.facebook.com/legal/copyright.php

Should be simple enough.


User currently offlinelarseham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2010, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10328 times:

Hopefully this page can be stopped. Although the person behind it will be a bit harder. It looks like he started a new page right when we (Jeffrey and I) started sending him messages.
So also please keep an eye out for this page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Photo-dAviation-I/202896903149096


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 2):

I suggest someone from the a.net crew follow the advice as provided by Facebook and get this shut down:
https://www.facebook.com/legal/copyright.php

The A.net crew cannot do anything about it, as nobody on the crew here (Screeners, Moderators, Editors, Support, Chat) is the "authorized agent" allowed to act on the behalf of those whose content is being infringed upon. Someone like Paul (A.net Community Manager) is the likely person to spearhead such an effort since he is one of Demand Media's representatives on this site. Those photographers whose photos are being infringed upon will need to report the page, which is the standard procedure with many sites (like Flickr, where there has been multiple cases of similar theft).

People have been stealing photos from here and other similar sites for years trying to pass them off as their own works. No amount of watermarks or copyright bars will stop people from pilfering content from here and other sites and passing it off as their own works. Some had even left the watermarks and copyright bars on the photos, which shows how bright some of these folks are. Unfortunately, some think that everything posted on the Internet is free for the taking, as if the Internet is a giant library. There was one page last year that was passing themselves off as Airbus and stole photos from here (and presumably other sites) and replaced our copyright bar with an "Airbus" one, thereby infringing on the intellectual property of our photographers but also that of Airbus. There seems to be another site (as found within the initial one in question) that is also infringing on some copyrights:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...83276.89871.204216432942663&type=3

I know I have posted in similar sorts of pages on Facebook in the past to shame them and to call them out on their thievery. In many cases, I posted the link to the original photo as it is posted here and these people usually delete the posts and some have blocked me from the page.


User currently offlineNC1844V From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10160 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Maybe there's a way to protect the photographs on the Airliners.net website? There's got to be away to stop someone from doing the simple Right Click, save image as, function when it comes to our database of photographs. I don't know much about webpage design or anything related to that topic, just an Idea.

It is really a shame someone is taking credit for others on this websites work. But, People steal. Sadly its a way of life.



Steven Bates
User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

There's nothing you can do that can stop people. You can disable right click, but you just have to shut off Javascript. You can use server side coding but anything people can view in a web browser, they can easily take a screenshot and crop out the image. Even if you embed copyright info in EXIF data, can it can easily be edited out. As soon as you put an image online in any form, you essentially give up and chance of keeping the image to yourself. There are steps photographers can take if the image is hosted on a service that might care like Facebook, but they can easily set up their own website in a country where the ISP wouldn't care and you've got little to no chance of ever getting anything done about it. Sad, but true.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 6):

There's nothing you can do that can stop people. You can disable right click, but you just have to shut off Javascript. You can use server side coding but anything people can view in a web browser, they can easily take a screenshot and crop out the image. Even if you embed copyright info in EXIF data, can it can easily be edited out. As soon as you put an image online in any form, you essentially give up and chance of keeping the image to yourself. There are steps photographers can take if the image is hosted on a service that might care like Facebook, but they can easily set up their own website in a country where the ISP wouldn't care and you've got little to no chance of ever getting anything done about it. Sad, but true.

Just as there are ways to stop them, there are ways to defeat such roadblocks. I've seen a site (not an aviation one) in which the site owner got so fed up with people stealing the images on the site that they made the site only available to those using Internet Explorer (I couldn't even get the extension for FireFox that would allow me to use FF on that page to work) and they put massive watermarks that practically distort the images to the point that they are hard to look at.


Here's the response I got from the person behind this Facebook page when I confronted them about stealing photos from here:

Quote:
Plz stop photo airlines ....
they are not YOURS ....

I am the major share holder of BA, QANTAS, LUFTHANSA , EASYJET , EMIRATES and QATAR.

WHY DON'T YOU ASK FOR MY PERMISSION TO PHOTO MY PLANES

THEY BELONG TO ME.

AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT TAKE ANY PERMISSION FROM THE AIRLINES TO PHOTOGRAPH THEIR PLANES...

PEOPLE WILL NOT TAKE PERMISSION FROM YOU TO REPOST ANY PHOTO.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHOTOGRAPH OTHER PEOPLE PROPERTY ..


IS THAT CLEAR ???

I'm still laughing at this as it's completely absurd and beyond ridiculous. I guess the ALL CAPS and the claims of being a "major shareholder" in BA, QF, LH, U2, EY and QR is supposed to intimidate me? That and a dollar will buy him a newspaper. I don't care if they are major shareholders in every publicly traded airline in the world. Well if they don't want their "planes" photographed, then perhaps they need to park them in a hangar, lock the doors to the hangar so the a/c cannot be publicly seen. By the rationale this person is using, I could walk right up to the front desk of any MGM Resorts property and demand a room and claim it as "my room" and that I "own it" since I own shares in the company. The only airline that I can recall that ever restricted the photography of their fleet here was Alaska Airlines and it was involving photo sales. Most airlines seem to not have any issues with our photographers and some in the past have even linked to here on their sites.

I made sure to provide this person a link to the Photo Usage policies.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 89
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10113 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
COMMUNITY MANAGER

Quoting jeffreyklm (Thread starter):

Thanks for bringing it to our attention, so far I have managed to have 7 pages shut down entirely but it is not an easy process. As noted, photographers own the rights so I took a different approach with a couple and since the Airliners.net name is removed too that is theft and misuse of the trademark for the site. It worked but I must stress it takes time. I am usually following up on some pages, sooner or later a mistake is made by them and I can actually identify who they are in real life as some are very good at keeping anonymous. Once they make that mistake, the process is a lot quicker.

Feel free to email me if you require assistance

Regards

Paul



Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10061 times:

I notice there's no copyright info in the EXIF data from the a.net images. Are photographers just not adding this or is it being stripped by the a.net database?

User currently offlinelarseham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2010, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
Once they make that mistake, the process is a lot quicker.

Hi Paul,
Then (presumably) the second page that his person made (when he started getting critique) can be shut down:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...683.202896903149096&type=1&theater
(airliners.net watermark clearly visible)


User currently offlineLGW340 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

I Just had the following convo over Facebook with this person:



Me - 'Hmmm, love the way you have stolen some of my aviation images there. Would you NOT steal mine and other aviation photographers I know's work and passing it off as your own'

Him - '????????'

Me - 'Oh do you not understand? You did not take the images on this page yourself, I think you will find you stole them from aviation sites'

Him - 'We do not UPLOAD Photos anymore .... We just repost from other Pages and Airlines'

Me - 'If you don't upload them anymore, you should remove this page as they are not your images regardless of where you got them from'

Him - 'ok i will, I WILL REMOVE ALL THE UPLOADED PHOTOS'




So hopefully he will remove them!

Cheers

Chris Goodwin



Live life from the window seat...
User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

He said he would remove the UPLOADED photos. Not the ones he's happily and knowingly gone to a.net and stolen. I'm sure it's going to take more than that to get rid of this fool.

User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9903 times:

So has anyone actually reported him to facebook for copyright infringment via the link in reply 2?

User currently offlinelarseham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2010, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

He has deleted all of his photo's! Great work!

Only he is now uploading his photo to this facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/Photo.de.AviationIV


User currently offlineNPeterman From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 9 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

The Emirates image on that profile was stolen from Danny Fritsche. I'll drop him an email to let him know

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 89
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 9710 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
COMMUNITY MANAGER

Quoting larseham (Reply 10):

That page should no longer be available

Quoting larseham (Reply 14):

The person is now permanently banned from the site with further action pending off site for the removal of the images.

[Edited 2012-03-20 15:36:55]


Ask the impossible to achieve the best possible
User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Basically the nature of the medium makes protecting images next to impossible. The only way I can think of preventing individual images to be protected from simple copying is to embed them in a Flash (or similar) presentation. But even then there is software that will de-compile Flash.

Ultimately though whatever you do there is nothing to prevent someone doing a simple screen capture and a little editing.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently onlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

A little twist of irony here - Bradley International Airport, which surely ranks among the least photographer-friendly airports in the US, has raided a bunch of my (and others) shots from A.net and Flickr for use on their Facebook page. We're told time and time again by police at BDL that taking pictures of planes is a breach of security and illegal, yet they have no problem displaying our work.

User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 18):
taking pictures of planes is a breach of security and illegal

bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


User currently offlinejohnmiller From South Africa, joined Mar 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9301 times:

If it's a criminal offense in the UK to steal photos, does one lay a charge at the police station? I have just discovered a French company and UK firm in Deeside who are using one of my images without permission.

I have sent an invoice and will await their response. I would also be keen to know of any solicitors out there who would support a charge of theft.


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9031 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9277 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Maybe you guys should check here as well:

http://www.facebook.com/RikiPilot

Even removed the copyright bar of some of the airliners.net pictures.

I reported that page for copyright violations.

The owner of that page made a comment on my wallpost: "Megaupload rocks". Looks like he doesn't know any better and he is doing it on purpose... I hope facebook acts fast, I reported that page.

wilco737
  

[Edited 2012-03-23 15:33:35]


It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Looks like our friend is still at it and has a new page:

http://www.facebook.com/StoptheDictatorshipofPhotoCopyright


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9031 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9179 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Quoting srbmod (Reply 22):

Wow, I mean seriously, how sick is that guy?! Reported again. I hope facebook will ban this guy from facebook.

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9156 times:

Found another page stealing photos as well, and in some cases, they didn't even bother to remove the copyright bar:

http://www.facebook.com/AviationFanPage

I wish it was a lot easier to get these pages shut down, as in the case of the photos here, it would be as simple as providing Facebook with the links to all of the stolen photos, especially since the date they were uploaded here is readily available (as is when the photos were uploaded to the Facebook page).

It appears as though a lot of these pages being mentioned here are related to one another, as they seem to appear in each others' "likes".


25 shufflemoomin : The problem with issues like this is that it's our word against his that he doesn't have permission to post those images. It means Facebook has to spe
26 Post contains links 777LR : Hello, Has anyone noticed how on Flickr, it's harder to obtain a copy of a photo by just clicking and dragging. For instance: http://www.flickr.com/ph
27 Post contains links and images Dazed767 : http://www.facebook.com/Airbus.Fan.Page/photos This guy is still at it
28 NZ107 : Haha, he even "trademarked" the name of the page..
29 Post contains links johnmiller : Here's another site that removes Airliners.net byline strips and places them on his 'wallpaper' section on his website. Joe Philips is the name of the
30 Post contains images wilco737 : And the worst part is, he added his own "Copyright" into this pictures.... Wow, there are many of airliners.net in there... Let's see if I can find o
31 shufflemoomin : Again, without hearing from the photographers involved, no one has any right to assume those images are used without permission and take it upon thems
32 McG1967 : I am not on Facebook, so have no idea if any of my photos are being used there without permission. I am however on Twitter and noticed today that the
33 Jez : Whilst not condoning what these people do in any way, I can't help but think 'so what?' Is it the accolades that they may be getting for your work tha
34 megatop412 : Oh, I don't know, maybe it's the part about lost revenue that would be hurting people, if an image thief sold something they had no rights to.
35 Post contains links srbmod : From the Photo Usage policy: http://www.airliners.net/usephotos/ Photos hosted on this site are being used in a manner that does not conform to the P
36 unattendedbag : For me, it's mostly a principal issue. I take pride in my work and I spend a fair amount of money obtaining my photos you see on this site. For someo
37 cruce : Since I was one of the photographer's on the list, I guess I will comment. I politely asked the person that runs the page to take down my picture as i
38 Jez : What lost revenue? Are you saying these people are selling images? I don't believe it myself as why would people buy the very same file that they cou
39 johnmiller : Thing is Jez, some publishers rightfully pay pretty well for top quality images. Some try to pay peanuts. However your disingenuous 'devil's advocate'
40 JakTrax : It isn't harming us exactly but it is bad manners. If these are the ethics of such people what's to stop them participating in more harmful criminal a
41 Jez : If that's true, then those publishers will continue to pay well, but they won't be buying from the people that have stolen them, because those thieve
42 JakTrax : But it is the act or intention that's morally wrong. Whether the stolen 'item' works is irrelevant. If for example a police officer saw me lift the p
43 Jez : JakTrax, I've never said it was OK. I've said that I don't condone it and that it's wrong, but who really has the time to hassle these people for a br
44 Post contains images Jez : OK here's a thought. I liken the ease with which the images on this site and others can be stolen to a house with no doors. We all know it's not secur
45 unattendedbag : That's a valid point. We all know that by paying the company that hosts our photos a small fee, those individuals can steal our photos and post them
46 Jez : Does it? Not sure where. I would consider reckless driving a far more serious issue than stealing photos from the web. There is no risk to life from
47 Post contains links vikkyvik : So no harm has been done. So what? I don't have to be harmed to want to stop someone from doing something. I want to stop everyone from drinking and
48 Post contains images Jez : So stop moaning about it! Let's not equate petty theft with drink driving now. In fact, I retract my previous (now deleted) conclusion that no one ha
49 cruce : Jez, I'm going to steal your car, remove the license plates, and drive it around as my own car. Don't worry though buddy, I don't plan on selling it a
50 ckw : Since the car analogy has been raised, it could be said that most people take reasonable precautions to prevent car theft - lock the doors, and maybe
51 Jez : Haven't we been through this? Do what you like. You'll have a small copy of my car. I'll still have the full size working car. No bother.
52 planespot : That guy wrote: "Any photo exposed in public place (such a websites facebook google+ etc ) Without a Visible Watermark in the middle is considered as
53 srbmod : The guy is a bit ill-informed regarding copyrights and he's going to end up learning this lesson the hard way.
54 Post contains links srbmod : They've started a second page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-t...Photo-Copyright-II/330228727034984 I've tried to report it to Facebook as a "du
55 darthluke12694 : I put in the URL of the original page, then a drop down bar appeared so I could tag the original page. In order to report the page, you must tag the
56 Post contains links and images srbmod : Just when you think this person can't get anymore absurd in their comments, he's now accusing the photographer of this photo (which he stole and put
57 CXB77L : I'm not a photographer, I don't have any images that are actually worth anything. However, I'm a proponent of strong intellectual property protection
58 Post contains links mnazarinia : I found mine here too, I reported them. I hope the page gets closed soon. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...83276.89871.204216432942663&type=
59 Tomskii : It really is extremely annoying that people steal your pictures and don't even give you credit for it...
60 mnazarinia : It is indeed! They removed it from their page in less than 8 hours!
61 avfan : start a facebook page denouncing him or with some information about copyrighting using specific examples of aviation photography then show it to him.
62 Tomskii : Like the guy would even listen... all he can do is freaking spam in the comments of every pictures..
63 Post contains links srbmod : Let's make that a third page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aviati...phers-are-Talibans/281312988616411 He's now resorting to referring to aviation p
64 comair25 : Somebody should get a statement from Delta or whoever stating that its ok to take photos of their aircraft etc. Like it will really do anything though
65 comairguycvg : There was some mention about the photo thieves removing the watermark in this forum. That is something that this website offers as part of the Premium
66 addew1 : Here is one aswell. A lot of pics from a.net https://www.facebook.com/pages/McDonnell-Douglas-MD-11/161208787261704?sk=photos
67 JimmyLWH : such a long thread... actually photos (not only from this website), are being stolen everyday everywhere. Sometimes this is how the internet world wor
68 Tomskii : In my opinion the airliners.net watermark basically ruins your pictures... So I'd prefer not to.
69 srbmod : That does little to stop it. We've had cases in which someone had stolen images from here (as well as competitor sites) with the watermarks in place
70 Post contains images TheGinger : That's a shame, I wish people like that didn't exist. It's just wrong to do that.
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