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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

No surprises here except how, well, uninspiring this camera is. I guess if you REALLY need full frame and can't afford a 5D3 perhaps this is sensible, and possibly the built in WI FI and GPS will appeal to some.

I'm looking for a 2nd body to go with my 5D3 (my 7D having recently been trashed). This might have been the answer, but I don't think so as I don't need WI FI and GPS and certainly do not want a downgraded AF system.

But one thing the really annoys me is that Canon have changed the control layout yet again - now the multi-controller is part of the central control wheel. Now perhaps this is a better location (won't know til I've tried it) - but I want my camera controls to be as similar as possible. If you're working with multiple bodies in a fast moving situation, the last thing you want is to have to keep adapting to the control quirks of the different cameras.

Using a 7D and 5D wasn't too bad - most of the shooting stuff was roughly the same - it was only chimping that caused problems (moved zoom button). But given that after 9 months of extensive use I still kept pressing the wrong thing, I would seriously worry about selecting the right control to change a focus point.

Anyway, I've decided to defer replacing my 7D til the spring. I'm tempted to go with a 2nd 5D3, but still find a crop sensor useful on occasions. Happy enough with 7D AF (even though the 5D3 is better) but really would prefer better IQ.

Cheers,

Colin


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5724 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6054 times:
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I made this happen!!

I was looking for a new body(venerable 30D was starting to have some issues), would like to go FF but could not afford a 5D3 at this time, thought about waiting a few more weeks and get a 7D, would have still been a crop body, went for 60D as interim solution.

Not sure now whether to get a 6D at next opportunity or wait longer for 5D3,

Head is saying wait, shutter finger is saying go FF ASAP!!



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 1):
I made this happen!!

Lol! The number of times that's happened to me!

Without having handled a 6D, I can only speculate, but unless your local price differential is huge, I'd still go for the 5D3.

Couple of things bother me about the 6D as a full rame camera - first, the 97% viewfinder instead of 100%. OK, might not seem like a big deal, and it isn't usually when dealing with standard - telephoto lenses ... but when trying to make best use of your WA lenses (which is of course a big part of going FF), that extra 3% becomes quite noticeable.

An 11 pt AF system seems to leave something to be desired. One thing that often surprises people coming to FF from cropped is how small a area of the image is covered by the AF points. With FF, good AF is not only about speed and accuracy, but also coverage. The 5D/5D2 were partly limited by both poor covereage and relatively poor sensitivity of the outer AF points.

Now if the 11 points on the 6D are well spaced and of decent sensitivity, there may not be a problem - but this is certainly something I'd wait to find solid info on before purchasing (unless of course you're happy with focus and re-compose).

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Just seen the AF layout

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=42513452

looks like a lot of the image area has zero AF coverage!

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4851 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6008 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 1):
Quoting ckw (Reply 2):

Honestly, why would one choose the 6D over getting a 5D2? I just picked up a 5D2 because I wanted to go FF and not spend a lot. Yeah the focus system is a step back from my 7D, but as long as I stick to applying each camera to appropriate uses, I'll be fine.

Oh and did anyone catch that eBay/Adorama sale the other day for the 5D3?? $2745 was a steal! Too bad I couldn't jump on that like all my friends did.  



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6000 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):
Honestly, why would one choose the 6D over getting a 5D2?

Well yes - but you may be limited time wise. Canon's Chuck Westfall said that the 5Dii would be produced for another 6 months back in March, but after that who knows? I thought I saw something saying production had stopped, but can't find that reference. Certainly it won't continue forever - though the used market should be good for a while.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see a quick buy up of 5D2 stock - some people were sitting on the fence, unhappy with the price of the 5D3 and waiting to see what else Canon would offer. Now they have their answer.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1374 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

Just Curious, Is there anything in the 6D, that is better than in 5D MKII being sold for less than $2000?

User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10256 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5985 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 4):

Honestly, why would one choose the 6D over getting a 5D2?

I'm not looking to go full-frame anytime soon (now that I said that, I'll probably have changed my mind in 6 months), but based on my cursory review of the 6D, I'd certainly go with a used 5DII.

Then again, I almost never buy new equipment anyway....

Quoting trvyyz (Reply 6):
Just Curious, Is there anything in the 6D, that is better than in 5D MKII being sold for less than $2000?

It's new. Seriously, some people like to have the latest gadget, whether they need it or not. I'm quite happy with my 50D, which I purchased used earlier this year. Aside from that, looks like the burst rate is faster on the 6D than the 5DII.

Quoting ckw (Reply 2):
(unless of course you're happy with focus and re-compose).

I do that a lot, and don't really mind. My 50D only has 9 focus points, and I honestly can't remember ever using any other than the center. That's just how I trained myself to shoot, for better or for worse.

Quoting ckw (Reply 2):
first, the 97% viewfinder instead of 100%

That surprised me.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

Quoting trvyyz (Reply 6):
Just Curious, Is there anything in the 6D, that is better than in 5D MKII being sold for less than $2000?


At this point it is hard to know - it has an 11 point rather than a 9 point AF system, and one would hope it performs better than the 5Dii (which can be a bit woeful using anything other than centre point). But that remains to be seen.

It has an "all new sensor" (why?) Since the density difference between this new sensor and the 5D3's is minimal I can only assume it's not as good at minimising noise (cheaper). Whether this is better or worse than the 5D2 remains to be seen.

Some good points - built in WIFI and GPS. If that matters. But there is one neat trick with the wi-fi .... there is an app that allows you to control the camera remotely from an iPhone or iPad (and I think android devices). So if you can sneak your camera onto the end of a runway, you might be able to get some interesting shots from a safe distance - or maybe mounting the camera on the external structure of the aircraft. Dust and splash proof (Mk 2 isn't), faster frame rate.

To be honest, it might be a better 'general purpose' camera than the Mk 2, but, unless you need FF, I think the 7D may be a better all-rounder at a much better price, esp. for people in this forum who will probably find higher pixel density more useful.

If the interest is a FF body for the occasional wide angle cockpit shot or similar, I'd suggest a used original 5D which, in my opinion, still produces the cleanest, sharpest images of the lot (at base ISO).

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinetkathurima From Kenya, joined Sep 2006, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Quoting ckw (Reply 8):
Dust and splash proof (Mk 2 isn't)

Colin, I've shot with my 5D2 in plenty a downpour...and in very dusty places, with no ill-effects. The 5D2 does indeed have a pretty decent degree of weather-sealing, so I wouldn't agree with your statement there...but I digress.

The 6D seems poised to attract those new to FF DSLR who may for whatever reason feel daunted by the 5D's. There may also well be those to whom in-built GPS is a very useful feature.

I certainly won't be lining up to purchase one of these. I have my sights set on the 5D mark III. I'm toying with the idea of offloading my Mark II, or retaining it as my second body.

It will certainly be interesting to see the reviews as they start to come through, and also how the market for this camera takes shape in the coming months...


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Quoting tkathurima (Reply 9):
Colin, I've shot with my 5D2 in plenty a downpour...and in very dusty places, with no ill-effects. The 5D2 does indeed have a pretty decent degree of weather-sealing, so I wouldn't agree with your statement there...but I digress.

Its interesting - when Canon say dust/weather proof they mean additional seals have been incorporated specifically for this purpose. Neither the 5D or 5D2 have these (ie. they are no more weather proofed than entry level cameras). However, I agree with your point entirely - my original 5D received much exposure to salt water (spray and worse!) but managed to survive.

Ultimately 'weather sealing' is a matter of degree. Standard cameras will tolerate a certain amount of moisture, weather sealed cameras probably a bit more - no one can say how much, and a lot can depend on how you hold the camera (are critical joints exposed?).

Although my 'unsealed' 5D survived 5 years of sailing photography, I have had 3 other cameras which suffered water damage - 7D, 1D3 and 5D3 - all of which claim some degree of additional weather sealing! (in fairness, the 7D & 5D3 were damaged in circumstances I wouldn't expect any camera to survive when the open boat went through rather than over a wave - 7D was a write off, 5D3 currently being repaired),

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

Why all the fuss about autofocus points?? Do people use them - really?? Honestly in my twenty years of autofocus photography, I have probably strayed from the centre autofocus point half a dozen times at most. For off centre subjects I simply recompose. Is it seriously any easier - or better - to push a button, fiddle with a control wheel, THEN focus and take your shot??

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4851 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5743 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
Why all the fuss about autofocus points?? Do people use them - really?? Honestly in my twenty years of autofocus photography, I have probably strayed from the centre autofocus point half a dozen times at most. For off centre subjects I simply recompose. Is it seriously any easier - or better - to push a button, fiddle with a control wheel, THEN focus and take your shot??

Well when tracking a moving subject, focus + recompose doesn't work very well. It takes too much time and can mean missing "the shot". Trying to shoot sports with my 5D2 is a nightmare, not only because of the number of focus points, but because of the speed and accuracy, or lack thereof.

If talking about aviation photography (specifically, for 90% of the stuff on this site) then you're right. No big deal. It's no biggie being limited to the center point when your goal is to get the subject in the dead center of the frame anyway.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 11):
Why all the fuss about autofocus points?? Do people use them - really??

Guess it depends what you shoot. Simple example - formation of 2 aircraft approaching head on. Centre point will grab dead space between. You want to track the lead aircraft, but still keep the other in frame - responsive outer points are the answer.

I do a lot of sailing photography, often multiple boats in the frame - I tend to compose the shot then place the AF point on the boat I want to be the point of focus. Since I often shoot long lens with shallow DOF, selectable AF is very useful - only alternative is manual focus (which I frequently had to use with my original 5D).

Again, a yachting example - shooting portrait, the key point of focus (the bow) will generally fall in the lower 3rd of the frame. Using centre point will result in a fuzzy bow and sharp mast. In fact, on my 5D3 I've set the default focus point to the lowest in the frame, I use it that much.

I'm sure there are many more examples.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2643 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5732 times:
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I thought besides the larger amount of AF points, the 5D3 also has faster and more responsive focusing in general. What I mean is, if I'm using the 5D3 in low light with only center point AF, it will focus or re-focus faster than a 5D2. Is this true???

User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 14):
I thought besides the larger amount of AF points, the 5D3 also has faster and more responsive focusing in general.

Very much so - by far the best AF I've ever used. I'd say the outer points are better than the 5D2 center point.

Cheers,

Colin



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