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Update To Double Rule  
User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Hi everyone,

The screening team has decided to implement a few revisions and clarifications to the double rule in order to be a little more inclusive of unique, rare, and difficult to obtain images. Some of these points are changes from what we had previously allowed, while some are simple clarifications on existing rules.


1. Air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews - whereas previously we had allowed only an overview, or a close up of one of the aircraft, now we will allow both, i.e. a wide view and closer crops of each of the aircraft visible in the wider view. For closer crops of structures such as terminals or concourses, they will only be allowed if there is no overlap with the wider view (i.e. the same structure is not visible in both images).

2. Cockpit shots - one wide view of the cockpit and one close up of a specific instrument, set of gauges, screens or HUD etc will be allowed. The motive rule will still apply in all situations; if attempting a close up shot in addition to the wide view, it will need to be well-composed.

3. Cabin Shots - one overview and one seat shot allowed per cabin, per flight, regardless of whether the flight takes place over two dates (i.e. departs one date, arrives another date). Again, the motive rule will still apply, so no close ups of IFE systems or meal trays will be allowed, and any seat/row close up will need to be well-composed.

4. Incidents such as the LOT 767 or other major incident - for these and other special or unique occurrences, it will be at our discretion to add more than one image of the event per photographer, if deemed worthy.

5. Space - We will allow two shots of launches with different motives (i.e. not taken with same camera/from same angle).

All other aspects of the double rule will remain unchanged.

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If you have any questions, please feel free to post them, and we will attempt to address them. These changes will be included in the Rejection Guide shortly, so you will also be able to refer there if needed.

Dana

Edit: this rule update is meant to be back-dated, so if you have any images that had previously been rejected for double and fall into any of the situations described above, please feel free to re-submit them!

[Edited 2012-10-31 18:13:34]

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6439 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting dlowwa (Thread starter):
Air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews

Just for clarification, is there supposed to be a comma between air-to-ground and airshow?

Thanks



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User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5725 times:

Hi Nicholas,

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):

Just for clarification, is there supposed to be a comma between air-to-ground and airshow?



No, air-to-ground is meant to describe the following types of overviews, i.e. air-to-ground overviews of airshows, boneyards, or airports.


User currently offlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Hi folks,

It is very good news indeed. As it can attract more interesting and beautiful aviation staff it will bring benefits for all of us - photogs, viewers and Anet itself.

Thanks for the wise decision!

Regards,

Fyodor


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

Quoting dlowwa (Thread starter):
1. Air-to-ground airshow, boneyard, and airport overviews - whereas previously we had allowed only an overview, or a close up of one of the aircraft, now we will allow both, i.e. a wide view and closer crops of each of the aircraft visible in the wider view.

Indeed very good news!!! Now let's have the motive and obstruction rules revised/updated too. These rejections still cause a lot of confusion.

A388

[Edited 2012-11-03 09:42:38]

User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Now let's have the motive and obstruction rules revised/updated too. These rejections still cause a lot of confusion.

Hi, these were revised a few months ago. You can find the thread here:

Update To Motive Rules For Obstruction (by dlowwa Jul 17 2012 in Aviation Photography)


User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5290 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

Quoting dlowwa (Thread starter):
5. Space - We will allow two shots of launches with different motives (i.e. not taken with same camera/from same angle).

Dana,

Thanks for the update. I have a few questions.

1. What happens when a spacecraft/rocket turns in the trajectory? Since the same camera is capturing different sides of the vehicle would this make it a double now?

i.e. a shuttle stack does a half pirouette that gives one a view of the top side and bottom side within 15-20 seconds of launch. Will this rule make this condition double now?

2. A long shot of a launch from 3 miles versus a close of a launch from 500 feet with a remote camera. Are these doubles now as they are different cameras but both of launch? I am guessing if the profile of the spacecraft is different it would not be but i am asking for clarification.

3. The Kennedy Space Center description in the database is an anomaly. The SLF (Titusville - NASA Shuttle Landing Facility (TTS)) sits inside the Kennedy Space Center base (which is large) and designated by the A.NET description as "Off-Airport - Kennedy Space Center". So it is a donut shaped location description. i.e. a spacecraft orbiter or aircraft has to overfly the "off airport - Kennedy Space Center" to get to the Titusville - NASA Shuttle Landing Facility (TTS) but if you upload such pictures one is branded a double. Can we please fix this? Can we call it all KSC?

thanks.



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User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Sorry Suresh, missed your post somehow.

Quoting eksath (Reply 6):
1. What happens when a spacecraft/rocket turns in the trajectory? Since the same camera is capturing different sides of the vehicle would this make it a double now?

No, two different sides are still allowed (if it clearly obvious they are different sides - which would be hard with rockets I would think), so with a two-camera set up, you could conceivably have four images accepted.

Quoting eksath (Reply 6):
2. A long shot of a launch from 3 miles versus a close of a launch from 500 feet with a remote camera. Are these doubles now as they are different cameras but both of launch?

No, as the rules make clear now, two different setups of the same subject will be allowed for space launches.

Quoting eksath (Reply 6):
3. The Kennedy Space Center description in the database is an anomaly. The SLF (Titusville - NASA Shuttle Landing Facility (TTS)) sits inside the Kennedy Space Center base (which is large) and designated by the A.NET description as "Off-Airport - Kennedy Space Center". So it is a donut shaped location description. i.e. a spacecraft orbiter or aircraft has to overfly the "off airport - Kennedy Space Center" to get to the Titusville - NASA Shuttle Landing Facility (TTS) but if you upload such pictures one is branded a double. Can we please fix this?

This would need to be dealt with by the editors.


User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5290 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
ARTICLE EDITOR

Thank you for the clarification Dana! These are most welcome changes!

Regards

Suresh



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