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User currently onlinedendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1648 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5630 times:
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As a result of a complaint to Headscreeners this FlickR user was brought to my attention and so far as I can see every image on it under aviation has been taken from this site. What is weird is that the airliners.net footer is intact on most but the FlickR user has applied his own copyright marks, obviously a nonsense.
I have made a complaint to FlickR about my misused images and in general terms on behalf of other contributors here but take a look and follow the complaints procedures at the bottom of the page

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwissman/


Mick Bajcar

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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12042 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5610 times:
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Mick, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had to trawl through quite a few pages before I found one of mine. I've completed the complaint procedure as well, mentioning that he had used lots of images from here.

Interestingly, the cheeky bugger includes his email address in his fraudulent copyright notice - dale@wissman.net



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User currently onlinePsych From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 3043 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5582 times:
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Mick - is this not an example where individuals' complaints should be backed up by some 'higher' authority from the site/DM? Clearly his theft of images is to the detriment of the site, as well as individual photographers, because he is enabling A.net-hosted images to be viewed without having to go through the site - hence a cost to the site owners.

The more complaints the better, though I would have thought a legally worded email/communication from DM or their legal guys might have a more powerful effect on his behaviour than those from individual photographers, whom he clearly has no respect for or fear of, otherwise he would not have stolen the images and brainlessly tried to 'copyright' them for himself.

Paul


User currently onlinedendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1648 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5570 times:
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Paul
The dilemma is that DM do not own the copyright and if a photographer does not mind their photos being so used/abused, that is their choice.
I have however complained on behalf of all and it may be that FlickR will take them all down on that basis but it is better if more people whose images are used actually complain.
DM are in fact in a very similar position to FlickR, they host images with good faith that the photographer holds the copyright and remove any that we find are in breach of it. On this site though, images are screened, on FlickR they are not so we filter a lot out, they act on complaints

Mick


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8908 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5569 times:
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Quoting dendrobatid (Thread starter):

Mick,

thanks for that. We all should file a complain, maybe something will be done. But how weird is it to put his own copyright into the picture   

wilco737
  



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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2174 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5555 times:

He's even posted them with the title "AirlinersnetphotoidXXXXXX". Where's the sense in that?!


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User currently onlinebeaverhunter From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5489 times:
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Thanks Mick,

I have sent my complaint to flickr and I hope they receive many complaints from those whose copyright has been abused by this individual. If flickr wants to retain any credibility, they must act on this quickly.

John Olafson


User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Gents,

He has one of mine, so have also followed the Flickr complaint procedure.

Gary


User currently offlinemnazarinia From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5448 times:
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Thanks Mick! I did the same thing I have got one there.

Mehdi.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12042 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5396 times:
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Quoting beaverhunter (Reply 6):
I hope they receive many complaints from those whose copyright has been abused by this individual.

The one issue I can see is that he has a lot of images - I very nearly gave up looking to see if any were mine after about ten pages. I also only used the first one I found for a complaint, hopefully Flikr will shut him down rather than only remove specific images that have been noticed.



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User currently offlinemkwiat From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5376 times:
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I've found one of mine and logged it with Flickr.

Its quite simple to submit a complaint using the Yahoo! Copyright and Intellectual Property Infringement Complaint Form:

http://help.yahoo.com/l/uk/yahoo/copyright/general.html

Mark


User currently onlinedendrobatid From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1648 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
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There are quite a few blanks now so it looks as though FlickR only take the images down where there are complaints, I guess until a breaking point is reached.
I have actually e-mailed a few dozen people too.

Mick Bajcar


User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5346 times:
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Quoting dendrobatid (Reply 11):
I have actually e-mailed a few dozen people too.

Thank you Mick for the heads up!

by the way, here is the person ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwissman/7152372035/in/photostream



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User currently onlineunattendedbag From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2311 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Quoting mkwiat (Reply 10):
I've found one of mine and logged it with Flickr.

I've done the same.

Quoting eksath (Reply 12):
Thank you Mick for the heads up!

agreed. thanks!



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Better watch out... starting on about page 37 is a series of pictures titled "Dale's Collection of Tactical Weapons." This guy looks to be packing some serious heat.

User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 14):
Better watch out... starting on about page 37 is a series of pictures titled "Dale's Collection of Tactical Weapons." This guy looks to be packing some serious heat.

Jeez, I'll say! Quite a few guns there.

I am beginning to think that perhaps this guy thinks he's being legal, especially given that he left the a.net copyright on. Also, he left the by: ........... tag on too. Perhaps he just wanted to share the images, and wasn't sure how to do so. Now, before ya'll jump down my throat, I think what he is doing is very wrong, and unjust, as well as very muchin violation of the copyright. I don't condone the behavior, nor do I think it is correct. Like I said, maybe he made an honest mistake and isn't sure how to properly share or link the images. He should have taken a look at the link page before doing this, though.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4096 posts, RR: 90
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
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Quoting Psych (Reply 2):

Hi Paul - All

As Mick noted Demand Media host the images and the photographers hold the copyright which limits what they can do. That said I have made a more formal complaint on behalf of all photographers affected by this persons misuse of their images. Additionally I am asking the legal team if there is anything we can do in relation to misuse of the Airliners.net trademark.

Some images still retained the watermark which meant that the person is a member of the site, we have found their account and permanently banned them from the site. Any further accounts found to be owned or created by them will also be removed.

Quoting dendrobatid (Reply 11):

It appears images are being removed and I encourage those who are affected to contact any of their friends if their images are also being misused. There are some who may not read the forum and I'll write to them as well.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinejspitfire From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Found one of mine as well. Has anyone filed a complaint via Yahoo Canada? The page it takes me to says I have to physically mail them a letter detailing the copyright infringment. Seems a little unusual.

User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

I found a few belonging to friends and gave them a heads up. Over on FB there was a discussion about this, and someone found this from May 2012...

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pos...ifestory&pid=157774754#fbLoggedOut



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5486 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 14):
Better watch out... starting on about page 37 is a series of pictures titled "Dale's Collection of Tactical Weapons." This guy looks to be packing some serious heat.

Yeah, I wouldn't really worry about it at this point.....
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pos...ifestory&pid=157774754#fbLoggedOut

Oops you beat me to it Moose. Thanks Joe for bringing this to our attention. I was ready to start a witch hunt.

All the flickr photos have this on them: Request to license DWissman's photos via Getty Images. Hopefully a professional agency would be smart enough to realize there are 2 different copyrights on the photos.

[Edited 2013-01-02 21:39:48]

User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5202 times:
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Quoting moose135 (Reply 18):

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/pos...edOut

Thanks for the info.


I guess that puts a new twist and damper on things. His last upload is on May 07th. The obituary states a May 12th demise.

However, i still think the pictures need to be taken down. I certainly don't want my pics getting "rebranded" and circulated by others - dead or alive.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4738 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5190 times:
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Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 19):
All the flickr photos have this on them: Request to license DWissman's photos via Getty Images. Hopefully a professional agency would be smart enough to realize there are 2 different copyrights on the photos.

All that means is that a Flickr user is allowing Ghetty to invite the photos for licensing through their service. If Ghetty was interested in them, they would contact the photographer with an invitation to join their service.

I had that request to license thing set on my photos and eventually 6 of my photos were selected. I had to go through a formal process that involved uploading high res versions. So really, that request to license thing you see on his page doesn't mean much in this situation. No ones stolen photos are being licensed out through Flickr.



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User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5103 times:

There are rather more important things to worrry about than one of my photos being on someone else's Flickr account.

Over it already.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineChukcha From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 1971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
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2 derekf :

Maybe so, but one of my pictures ended up in an online article with the logo of this person on it and credited to him.

[Edited 2013-01-03 15:31:57]

User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

So what can you about it? Nothing, the person's dead now. Did he ever make any money out of it? I doubt it.
Is it important in the grand scheme of things? No.

Thanks to Mick for flagging it up but I can't get excited about it. Slightly flattered by it though.



Whatever.......
25 Chukcha : I don't care if he made any money out of it. I just want to have my photos with the name of another person (dead or alive) on them removed.
26 dendrobatid : Derek By him displaying the work as his own he has allowed (copied from his conditions on FlickR) You are free: to copy, distribute, display, and perf
27 derekf : I haven't got the time or inclination get botherd by this- its only one photo. One photo that has appeared all over the internet so far. I found the s
28 Post contains images wilco737 : Yes, there is a lot you can do. And simply ignoring photo theft is not the correct thing in my opinion. Well, if you take pictures, you want to share
29 Post contains images Jez : And you are, of course, entitled to it. I tend to concur with Derek on this one. Images uploaded to the internet are prone to theft. It's the price y
30 Post contains images wilco737 : Thanks On facebook I add a huge watermark with my name on it. But that ruins a lot of the picture as it is distracting, but this is the only way to a
31 ThierryD : The page with the stolen photos is gone now. Case closed, I'd say. Thierry
32 cargolex : I do the same. It's just what you have to do. I don't consider watermarking as ruining the image either - in rare cases my sensibilities, as somebody
33 unattendedbag : You seem to be bothered by the fact that WE do care about what happens to OUR photos, or else, why would you be participating in this discussion. You
34 Post contains images derekf : Well pardon me for joining in a discussion. On a discussion forum. I wasn't sure whether you wanted a reply or not as obviously once I've said my piec
35 unattendedbag : You keep saying that, yet you're still here, discussing the fact that you have more important things to be concerned with. Stop claiming that you are
36 Silver1SWA : For someone who doesn't care, you are spending a lot of effort saying so and you're coming off as condescending towards the folks who do care. Anyway
37 dendrobatid : The vast majority of people were upset to see this guy displaying their images as his own and the intention of this thread was to get them removed. Th
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