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Fast Prime For A DX Nikon?  
User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

Hello everyone! I have a D3100 with a 55-300 and the kit 18-55, along with a 16-85. I am in the market for a fast low light prime for static airshow pruopses and low-light landscapes. Any suggestions? I am currently considering the 35 f1.8, 50 f1.8, and a few others. I have also looked at the 10-24, although not technincally a "fast" lens, it might be under consideration. If anyone has experience with any of these, please chime in. Thanks!


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Both the 35mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8 are excellent and great value for money. You just have decide which focal length is more appropriate for you. I'd suggest that you play around with, say, the 18-55 and see which of the two focal lengths you feel more comfortable with.

Tony



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User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Thanks Tony! Yeah, I have experimented and I think I might go for the 35, as it would allow me to be a bit closer. Since both are about $200, I might pick both up. My local dealer has them on sale right now anyway. Also, does anyone have any idea when the new 80-400 will be out? I have heard a whole bunch of rumors, but they never materialize. If the 80-40 isn't out soon, I might get the Sigma 120-400. Anyone have experience with this lens?


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Yeah, they've been lots of rumors about the 80-400 replacement, none of which have materialized.

The latest is that Nikon waited to finalize their latest generation VR (the one on the new 70-200 f4) so that they can also put it on the 80-400 replacement. We'll see whether that's true or not. Having said that, Nikon really needs to replace the 80-400, as it currently lags behind the Canon and Sony offerings.

Tony



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

You have the 16-85. Why do you keep the 18-55?

User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Regarding the prime lens, you never said what kind of field of view you are looking for. I know you said for 'static shots and landscapes', but these can be had at many different focal lengths. Airtistically, are you looking for a perspective-distorting wide-angle or something more 'normal'? For wide shots on your body you would need one of the AFS offerings, the 10-24mm is an option. I have the 12-24 f/4 and love it. Then again, you should be able to get everything you want with that 16-85, which I also have and love.

Prime Nikkor lenses that will AF on your body include the 35mmf/1.8(excellent IQ) but on a crop sensor isn't that wide. Nice for landscapes and statics if you can get some distance between you and the aircraft, remember the fov is more like a FF 50mm. If you have the budget for it, there is the 24mm f/1.4 that I hear is an amazing lens. There is also the newer 28mm f/1.8, but if you plan to stick with cropped sensors I would go with the 35mm since it is a lot less expensive than the 28mm.

At airshows I use the 12-24, 70-300mmVR, and the Sigma 150-500mmOS. No need for anything else. I do use the 35 1.8 for landscapes, but not at airshows- often, the fov is just too tight when you only have a few feet between static displays.


User currently offlineRedd From Poland, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

I've just added the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 to my collection, although it's not a prime I rarely find myself taking it off my camera body and at f2.8 it's fast and versatile. Stopped down to f2.8 @ 50mm it does some great portrait work as well. I also own the Nikon 50mm f1.4G and I'd have to say that is the best prime lens I've had the experience to work with.

User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):

The latest is that Nikon waited to finalize their latest generation VR (the one on the new 70-200 f4) so that they can also put it on the 80-400 replacement. We'll see whether that's true or not. Having said that, Nikon really needs to replace the 80-400, as it currently lags behind the Canon and Sony offerings.

Thanks for that info, Tony, I didn't know that's why they were waiting. Hopefully they get it done soon.

Quoting afterburner (Reply 4):
You have the 16-85. Why do you keep the 18-55?

3 reasons:
1. in case the 16-85 has any issues
2. for non-aviation use
3. for my mom's occasional use of my camera

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 5):
At airshows I use the 12-24, 70-300mmVR, and the Sigma 150-500mmOS.

With regards to the Sigma, how is it overall? Does it eat a lot of light? How is the overall image quality towards 500mm? Sorry for asking so many questions, but I am trying to get a good idea on this lens.



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting DL747 (Reply 7):
Thanks for that info, Tony, I didn't know that's why they were waiting. Hopefully they get it done soon.

Not that the above was a rumor! Whether it's true or not... who knows!  

Tony



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User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 8):
Whether it's true or not... who knows!

Well, lets hope it is.

Megatop, if you are still reading or monitoring this thread, how do you like your 50-500?



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting DL747 (Reply 7):
With regards to the Sigma, how is it overall? Does it eat a lot of light? How is the overall image quality towards 500mm? Sorry for asking so many questions, but I am trying to get a good idea on this lens.

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Overall, the Sigma is an excellent piece of glass for what you pay for it. It's OS works very well, it delivers contrasty images, and my 70-300mmVR actually gets used LESS than the Sigma. It's just an excellent zoom range for aviation. Yes it eats a lot of light, but I seem to have been getting better at getting sharp shots even in overcast conditions. I always shoot it at f/9. Yes it is a bit soft at 500mm, but that happens with all consumer superzooms. I don't have any shots here because I refuse to alter my images to cartoonish levels of sharpness, but if you want to see some taken with the lens, send me an email and I'll send you to my own site.

Perhaps most glaringly, the AF occasionally locks up. I have not been able to isolate the reason this occurs. Even turning the camera off and back on doesn't correct it. Fortunately, it hasn't happened in several months.

I own the lens because Nikon, in its infinite wisdom, has nothing in its focal range for the price, and seems to have given up on refreshing the much maligned 80-400mmVR with AF-S. And of course, if you don't wish to deal with these problems, there is always the $7000 200-400mmVR. To me, that is too small a range for the money. But make no mistake; were Nikon to actually refresh the 80-400mm with AFS, I wouldn't hesitate to replace the Sigma with the Nikkor. The difference between 400mm and 500mm is negligible.


User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 10):
Sorry for the delay in responding.

No worries! I appreciate your input!

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 10):
Perhaps most glaringly, the AF occasionally locks up. I have not been able to isolate the reason this occurs. Even turning the camera off and back on doesn't correct it.

I don't like the sound of that. Hopefully it is just a single lens issue.

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 10):
$7000 200-400mmVR.

Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees, so I cannot afford that one. I think I might wait until this round of nikon lens updates is done. and then maybe buy the Sigma.



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

I should add that, almost certainly connected to the AF issue, is the 'play' between the Sigma's mount and the Nikon F-mount. I have to assume that because Sigma reverse-engineered the F-mount, they made their best guess as to what would constitute the best fit on their end, which results in a less-than-perfect fit.

I can twist the Sigma ever so slightly while it is mounted to the D90, which does not occur with any other lens I own(all Nikkor). Surely, this can not be good for the body-lens communication. If that one issue were solved, I probably would be happy to use the Sigma until the HSM died(lets face it, all these lenses with motors in them, these motors will die one day, and the cost to repair will probably be close to replacement cost on all but the more expensive lenses)


User currently offlineDL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 12):
I should add that, almost certainly connected to the AF issue, is the 'play' between the Sigma's mount and the Nikon F-mount.

Well, that doesn't sound good. I travel frequently, so I can't have a lens issue 1500 miles away from my local repair shop. All my Nikkor glass is good, so I might just stick with them, upgrade to the 70-300, and wait for a new 80-400. I seriously cannot believe Nikon is stupid enough to wait this long to upgrade it. They must be losing boatloads of customers to Canon. William, (or anyone else) how do you like your 70-300?



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

LOVE the 70-300. Perfect travel zoom, took it to Germany in 2011 and got a ton of excellent shots(it did help that Hamburg Int'l had a viewing platform). I stop it down to f/8, AF-S is quick, VR works great, and plastic build=light weight. I bough a Domke lens case for it that goes on my belt, so if I have to leave my car I have the 70-300 on my hip with the Sigma on the camera.

If Nikon does end up coming out with a new 80-400, I might just use that by itself with the 70-300 used for vacations that aren't spotting trips. I think a lot of Nikon shooters will be surprised if it actually does get released.


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