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User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4739 times:
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Hi all,

I just bought me a Nikkor 80-400- 1.4,5-5,6D VR lens,but i have my doubts.AF is not the fastest an on 400mm it's rather soft.I have a 2 week return policy,so now i question myself,am i better of with the Sigma 120-400mm f/4.5-5.6 DG APO OS HSM ? What do you guy's think?

Marc


Marc
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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
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I just sent out today my brand new Nikon D7000 back to Nikon for recalibration of the sensor. No matter what lens I used, no matter at what focal length, all the pictures came out soft.
I've been playing a lot lately with Sigma 150-500mm and I love it. The quality of the images (besides being soft on D7000) is unbelievable. I've used it with my D300 and I just love it. I've also used it on D7000, the details are there but the pictures were soft (not the lens problem).
I've tried Nikon 80-400mm lens and I pretty much dislike it. Brand new Sigma 150-500mm cost almost half the cost of Nikon 80-400mm. If I were you I would definitely go with Sigma for your D7K


User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

Well I can tell with almost 100% certainty that any lens will be soft at it's longest. But you might want to have a look at the sigma 150-500mm. As far as I can read one certain forums it is a lot better than the nikkor. (and it won't be soft at 400mm anyways!

This btw (if you're flemish) might help you as well: http://forum.belgiumdigital.com/f35/...-voor-vliegtuigspotten-446506.html

[Edited 2013-02-04 12:46:44]

http://forum.belgiumdigital.com/f35/...400-of-sigma-150-500-a-439868.html


[Edited 2013-02-04 12:48:47]


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User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4730 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 1):
I just sent out today my brand new Nikon D7000 back to Nikon for recalibration of the sensor. No matter what lens I used, no matter at what focal length, all the pictures came out soft.
I've been playing a lot lately with Sigma 150-500mm and I love it. The quality of the images (besides being soft on D7000) is unbelievable. I've used it with my D300 and I just love it. I've also used it on D7000, the details are there but the pictures were soft (not the lens problem).
I've tried Nikon 80-400mm lens and I pretty much dislike it. Brand new Sigma 150-500mm cost almost half the cost of Nikon 80-400mm. If I were you I would definitely go with Sigma for your D7K

Are you sure it is soft and not just the well known AF problem by which you need to calibrate it for most lenses?



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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4725 times:
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Quoting Tomskii (Reply 3):
Are you sure it is soft and not just the well known AF problem by which you need to calibrate it for most lenses?


I am sure its not AF problem. I spent 3 weeks trying 'everything' before I called Nikon support. No matter what I did, all the pictures were soft. They were in focus but soft. I've calibrated camera with several lenses, played with Fine Tune AF option in D7K. I took about 5000 pictures in 3 weeks and all of them were soft.
Now I'll let the Nikon to recalibrate the sensor.


User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
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Tomskii,marc1201 that's me on belgiumdigital..About the calibration issue i don't know for sure..


Marc
User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 4):
I am sure its not AF problem. I spent 3 weeks trying 'everything' before I called Nikon support. No matter what I did, all the pictures were soft. They were in focus but soft. I've calibrated camera with several lenses, played with Fine Tune AF option in D7K. I took about 5000 pictures in 3 weeks and all of them were soft.
Now I'll let the Nikon to recalibrate the sensor.

Ah that's sad. I'm looking into buying a D7000 myself (but maybe when the update would come out D7100 so the D7000 is a bit less expensive). Heard a lot about the AF issues but not about soft pictures. Oh well, I suppose you got a bad one  



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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4702 times:
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Go with Nikon D5200. I wanted to get it but its not available in US yet. Only in Europe.

User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

D5200 would be a step back for me tbh.


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User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4681 times:
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Why D5200 would be step back? Its much better than D7000.

User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Any facts that can back that up?

http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon-D5200-vs-Nikon_D7000

Honestly I consider the D5200 a step back from my D90 I have been shooting with the last couple of years. Just my 2 cents.

Anyways were getting off the main subject of this topic which is the lens.



Nikon D90 + Nikkor f4.5-5.6 18-105mm + Tamron f4-5.6 70-300mm
User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

I use a Nikon D7000 with a Sigma 120-400m lens without problems - eventually. The lens was returned to Sigma 3 times as the AF would not lock on to anything and hunted like crazy. I don't know what they did but it is fine now. A nice lens to be honest and a fraction of the cost of the Nikon 80-400mm.
I would advise testing the lens/camera combination in all the camera's AF modes.



Whatever.......
User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
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Tomskii go for the D7000,I can't say much about it since i only have mine from last friday..but first impressions are good.it's a fine camera


Marc
User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 7):

How in the world can you say that? Can it focus on 80-400VR? Can it fire the nikon flahes off camera wirelessly? It will have only one control dial and no indicating panel on the top(iso, shutter, f-stop, metering, wb etc.), for people who have used these, it is not easy to go back.


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4590 times:
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Quoting trvyyz (Reply 13):
How in the world can you say that?

I don't understand what do you mean?


User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 14):

Obviously, you don't
know the difference between an entry level plastic camera and an advanced prosumer camera.


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
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D7000 is a plastic, entry level camera. And?

User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

Well my D7000 is partially magnesium alloy and weather sealed. I don't want to get into a contest about which camera is better as it is clearly the D700 which has the better spec   ,the top plate info display is something I've had since the F80 and I'm not about to give up on it now.


Whatever.......
User currently offlinecomair25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 16):


umm what?? lol


User currently offlineiamlucky13 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting dcaviation (Reply 16):
D7000 is a plastic, entry level camera. And?

  

It's got a lot lacking compared to a D800 or D4, sure, but between the sturdier build quality, the bigger and brighter viewfinder, and the greatly improved controls access, it's also has a big stack of advantages over the D5200.

Plus there's the fact that the D5200 won't even focus the OP's main lens.

The D5200 has a lot squeezed into it for the price, and the newer sensor probably will perform slightly better in the worst situations, but in most regards, it's a full level below the D7000.


As for the OP's question - sorry, no solid recommendations to add. The 70-300 VR has been working well for me, but it sounds like you need longer range.

There is the new 70-200 F/4 that could be an option when combined with teleconverters. Preliminary indications suggest that even with a TC it performs great. Nikon says the D7000 can't autofocus the 700-200 F/4 with a 2x TC, but it sounds like as long as the light is good it actually will.

SLRGear.com's measurements suggest the Sigma 120-400 won't gain you any sharpness at the long end over the 80-400, although having its HSM motor would help with your autofocus speed.


User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

I have mentioned this in other threads but my Sigma 150-500 has a little bit of play in its mount with my Nikons that causes the focus to be soft unless the lens is kept twisted all the way to the right. This has been discussed by many others as well. Good lens when focusing properly, though. Not sure if it happens with other mounts or with the other Sigma lenses.

User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
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Quoting megatop412 (Reply 20):
but it sounds like you need longer range.

no i do not necessarily need more range,but i'm looking for better quality glass then the 70-300vr(wich i also have)
my budget is a max of 900€ (around 1200$) and now i'm thinking of returning the 80-400vr and buy a Sigma 50-500mm f/4.5-6.3 DG APO OS HSM Nikon second hand for 900€ Seller says that he used is only about 5 times so i guess it's in a new state.
Is the "bigma" a good choice for my D7000?



Marc
User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting spotterke (Reply 21):
Quoting megatop412 (Reply 20):
but it sounds like you need longer range.

no i do not necessarily need more range,but i'm looking for better quality glass then the 70-300vr(wich i also have)
my budget is a max of 900€ (around 1200$) and now i'm thinking of returning the 80-400vr and buy a Sigma 50-500mm f/4.5-6.3 DG APO OS HSM Nikon second hand for 900€ Seller says that he used is only about 5 times so i guess it's in a new state.
Is the "bigma" a good choice for my D7000?

That's the third time that's happened to me in these forums, where I am quoted as saying something yet it was said by another member. Admins- what the heck is going on with this???

And to answer the OP's last question, yes and no. Yes the Bigma would be a good choice in general, but maybe not for someone who already owns the Nikkor 70-300mm or the 80-400mm. People can correct me on this, but in my mind, all of that glass is roughly the same quality. If you want better quality, you'll need to step up to the pro teles. Me, I'll take the convenience of good glass over the impracticality of excellent glass(personally I feel that 70-200mm is an impractical zoom range for how I want the focal lengths divided up between lenses).


User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4433 times:
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Quoting megatop412 (Reply 22):
And to answer the OP's last question, yes and no. Yes the Bigma would be a good choice in general, but maybe not for someone who already owns the Nikkor 70-300mm or the 80-400mm. People can correct me on this, but in my mind, all of that glass is roughly the same quality. If you want better quality, you'll need to step up to the pro teles. Me, I'll take the convenience of good glass over the impracticality of excellent glass(personally I feel that 70-200mm is an impractical zoom range for how I want the focal lengths divided up between lenses).

Hmm...i returned the nikkor 80-400 today to the shop where i bought it from..After that i went to the guy that sells the bigma,and it looks like new.This thing is hardly used i think,so he asks a good price...But if the quality is about the same as the 70-300VR i don't think i'm going to spend 900€ at the thing.



Marc
User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
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How is the IQ from the bigma compared to the nikon 70-300VR ? Anyone?


Marc
User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
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Quoting spotterke (Reply 24):
How is the IQ from the bigma compared to the nikon 70-300VR ? Anyone?

No one??



Marc
User currently offlineiamlucky13 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

I refrained from offering an opinion on a lens I've never used, but SLR Gear's tests indicate the 50-500 looks run a hair behind the 70-300 where they overlap, looking pretty sharp at F/11, but gets progressively softer past 300mm, which really is what you'd expect for such a big zoom range and the price.

Sigma 50-500
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/215/cat/31

Nikon 70-300 VR
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/992/cat/13

I'd expect better performance from the 150-500, which a couple people above said they liked. SLR Gear hasn't tested it, though, and I'm skeptical it will do better than match the resolution of the 80-400. However, with HSM it will almost certainly focus faster.


User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4302 times:
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Quoting spotterke (Reply 24):
How is the IQ from the bigma compared to the nikon 70-300VR ? Anyone?

I've been shooting with Sigma 150-500mm and Nikon 70-300ED VR using D7000. Short answer, I love both lenses. If it wasn't for the softness (camera problem - currently at Nikon repair center in Melville NY).
Tested on D300 - With Sigma I was getting details that I haven't got before with any other lens. With Nikon lens you get speed and quality.
You can't go wrong with ether lens.


User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
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Hmm yes,but 150mm is too much for most places at EBBR.I have a lot of shots there at about 135mm even 120mm.
Maybe i have to go for the sigma 70-200 2.8 os hsm,but on the other hand..200mm can be on the short side sometimes.Depends of the place i'm standing ..Have the nikon 70-300now and looking for some better quality glass.



Marc
User currently offlinedcaviation From Poland, joined Aug 2011, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
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What are you talking about "better quality glass"? Which 70-300 lens do you have?

User currently offlinespotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4245 times:
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I got the nikon 70-300 AF-S 1:4.5-5.6 G VR It's not bad but i assume there are better(read sharper) lenses..


Marc
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