PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8231 posts, RR: 19 Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10081 times:
I always enjoy shots of the cockpit by you all, and I myself have a few shots, especially of the 77L, 763, and MD90, but I was reading some trip reports by some of the guys and they mentioned they were "invited" by the crew to the cockpit after the flight. Usually when I want to take a cockpit shot, I usually ask the crew after I land and when I am walking towards the front of the aircraft.
I feel like a jackass sometimes when I have to ask, so I gotta ask, is it notoriety that gets you an invite (everyone knows Sam Chui in the aviation industry) or is it just being nice or chatting with the staff?
DL747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10079 times:
Hi Zach! I usually find myself like you, I have to ask. Although, I think if you were wearing a 777 shirt or something of the like, you may get noticed. My plane shirts get a lot of looks form the pilots. I was even overhearing on a weather conversation one time at SNA and the pilots kept looking in my direction. When I reguritated a NOTAM form SEA to them, they took some notice. Really, in most cases, though, I would imagine you have to ask. I have asked quite a few times, and never been denied. AS pilots especially are extremely friendly in almost every case.
Just like the shirt says, Boeing Builds It Better!
N243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1656 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9918 times:
Usually, if I want up front for a couple minutes, I ask the flight attendants after the flight (not before, when the crew is busier) if I could "say hi to the pilots." It sounds a bit nicer and less suspicious than "see the cockpit."
Results have generally been very good. Often (on smaller planes, especially) the pilots can overhear me asking the FAs and invite me in even before the FAs can say anything.
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9861 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2): Now what about a 747 cockpit? That's what I'm flying to NRT in March, and i'm in E.C.
Some crews will let you, other crews won't. It doesn't just differ from airline to airline; it depends on the crew you get. I flew on the NZ 744 twice in 2011, both times in economy class, and both times I asked to visit the cockpit at the end of the flight. They said 'no' the first time, but 'yes' the second time, and I managed to go upstairs on a 747 for the very first time, as well as take a picture of the cockpit.
It never hurts to ask. Explain that you're an aviation enthusiast. The worst they're going to do is say 'no'.
jlunddk From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9835 times:
I was on a KLM flight from TNCM to EHAM and when I saw the captain take a walk in monkey class, I asked him if it was possible to visit the flightdeck. He told me that they weren't allowed to let anyone into the cockpit during flight, but I was welcome when they had parked at the gate and the passengers was disembarked. Unfortunately I didn't have time because of my connecting flight, but as you will see, it's not impossible to visit the cockpit if you ask politely and will wait till you have landed.
megatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9830 times:
Don't ever be too shy to ask or feel foolish for doing so. The reward you get for taking chances for something as simple is this is by far greater than the feel of rejection. No one is going to just hand it to you, especially in these days of heightened suspicions about requests for cockpit access. After the flight lands, identify yourself as an aviation photographer and ask to see the front end and chat with the crew. More often than not you will find success
FYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 665 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9801 times:
Two things you need for success:
1. Guys told correctly - ask. Do not afraid to hear 'No'. You lose nothing, you just with the same you had. And you might will get 'Yes'. This is unigue investment with no risks and possible benefits
2. You have to talk to people on the same language. Learn aviation more deeply, communicate with pilots, aviation specialists. People always fill friendly and less alert if they see you know the issue and experience.
Indeed now it is not as easy as it was in 90s - those times I regulary asked permission to visit the cockpit. After 9/11 it is more difficult, however still possible. Nine years ago I've entered the cabin of Il-114 just talking to guys from the crew and the company (luckely it was charter for football game). In couple of years I've become this airline phorographer. In additional couple of years have started to fly officially with different companies and different crews. There were no relatives, external help etc. Just communication and skills - in aviation and in photography, indeed Third important condition to have doors open - people like good photos.
You just heard it from the best aviation photographer in all of Russia ! I'm thinking that any pilot who realizes Fyodor is aboard his plane, he's gonna run back and INVITE him to the cockpit. ( Would probably sneak him in and have him fly the jump seat.)
Everything he says is exactly the way it is; asking your question is anything but "strange"; all pilots were little boys once; and you're not even a little boy anymore; you're a confident, bright, young man who is passionate about something that both of those fellows "up front" are STILL passionate about. I'll give you a very good example of what I'm talking about; when I still lived in Cincinnati, there is a big printing company there that makes silk-screen T shirts and sweat shirts for every college there is; ( Its called "Velva Sheen" I think) I used to stop at their outlet store from time to time and pick up a few "over runs"; on one trip, I saw this nice sweat shirt that had been printed for Embry-Riddle Aviation University in Florida; One day I wore my Embry Riddle shirt to the Home Depot Store on Fields-Ertle Rd. Just as I was coming out of the store, I had a couple of sheets of plywood, and this very nice looking young fellow with his wife and little boy came up and offered to help me; then he asked me, "did you go to Embry Riddle"? I told him "no, but I sure wish I had, because I'm always loved airplanes" ! He grinned real big, stuck out his hand and introduced himself...... at the time, he was a B 727 Captain for Delta, and said he was just ready to start transitioning to fly the 767;
So I don't know how impressed flight crew may be by an "airplane " T shirt, but I can tell you that Captain was damn well impressed to see me with his Alma Mater on my shirt ! ( I think he was even more impressed that I didn't lie about it and try to B.S. him about doing something that he did and I didn't ). I swear, if that guy hadn't had his family with him, I think he would have offered to buy me a beer; he ended up giving me his card, and telling me to give him a call at home sometime, and that he would arrange to meet me at CVG before he was scheduled to fly, and would give me the "grand tour" of any Delta birds that was not doing anything at the moment; I think you're a pretty resourceful young fellow, so maybe you can score a few T shirts some place that will have a similar effect ! Here's my BEST advice; don't waste your time on Non Av; start hanging on Tech Ops; read every single thread; you don't need to know how to fly an airliner; but the more you know about all of the systems, about ATC, about "why does one company do this, while another company does that"..........the more knowledgeable you become about airline ops, you will be enhancing yourself as being someone young who really is interesting and worth talking with, for people who are a little older than you, and who probably had the same interested that you have, when they were your age. Let's face it; anyone who is an airline pilot has obviously worked long and hard to get to where they are at; they see themselves as professionals, and rightly so; It's not like auditioning for a part in a play, or interviewing for a job, it's merely preparing yourself a bit so as to be seen as exactly what you are; a confident, knowledgeably young person on the way up ! And confident people are NEVER shy about meeting ANYONE !
I almost forgot...........this is the most important thing of all; good grammar ! You don't need to be an English major, but you DEFINITELY need to be able to speak English effectively; (something that is becoming harder to find daily any more)
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
Garyck From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9597 times:
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Quoting FYODOR (Reply 8): 2. You have to talk to people on the same language. Learn aviation more deeply, communicate with pilots, aviation specialists. People always fill friendly and less alert if they see you know the issue and experience.
Thats exactly right, I've been keen flight simmer for years, flying on-line using real world flightplans and learning the correct ATC procedures via CAP413. Over the years I have gained access to the flight deck when we have reached the gate just by asking the FA is she will ask the captain for the days route, I always wait till after meal service when the FA's are winding down a little mid flight, I tell them that I'm into flight simulation, I know we departed the airport from RWY XX and if she could ask the captain/CO-Pilot what SID and route we are on, if possible the STAR in to the destination airport.
Twice the first officer has come to out speak to me, and all but once I have been invited to the flight deck to been 'shown' around and to be given the information I asked for inc the Arrival RWY.
On one flight from ORD-MAN, the captain gave me all his flight notes, North atlantic Plotting charts, Diversion info, Aircraft weights etc when at the gate.
As Fyodor said, learn the 'aviation Language', don't be afraid of hearing No, if you are going to use 'the language' be competent on what your saying, I'm sure once a Captain tried to call my bluff, but I was able to engage easily into the conversation. He asked me if I knew what LNAV and VNAV was..............
Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9549 times:
Quoting Garyck (Reply 10): On one flight from ORD-MAN, the captain gave me all his flight notes, North atlantic Plotting charts, Diversion info, Aircraft weights etc when at the gate.
Excellent advice Gary ! I had never thought about that, but that's even better than what I was thinking about; You're idea about having an FA slip a note to the flight crew at an "appropriate" time is REALLY a great idea.
I was very interested in reading what a few of Fyodor's "secrets" are ! ( Fyodor being among my "hands full" of the very best photographers contributing to A.net )
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9250 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9429 times:
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I want to bring in some light from the 'other side'.
I am first Officer so I am not alone to decide if someone is allowed to visit the cockpit or not. It is the final decision by the commander (Captain).
Problem is: we don't know if anybody wants to get into the cockpit. We are sitting behind the door (and in the 747 on the 1st floor) and are simply not at the door to say goodbye or hello during boarding.
Just ask! That is the most important thing. And ask the F/A to call in the cockpit to ask if you are allowed to make a short visit in the cockpit.
Usually during boarding or deboarding we have a couple of minutes of spare time to welcome you guys.
But it looks like that many people don't ask anymore as during my 2,5 years on the 747 now only 3 times people ask. Well, it was a couple more, but that were 3-8 year old kids with their parents
So, don't be shy, be polite and ask the F/A that you are an aviation enthusiast and you would like to see the cockpit.
KLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
I try and ask and overcome my fear of "No." and have only gotten rejected one time. The only time I've been rejected was on my first ever A380 flight on SQ, from JFK-FRA, and the FA rejected it even before asking the pilot. Asking does have its AMAZING perks. I've received old charts after visiting the cockpit of a LH 346 in MUC. Also, I have received a B767 pin and an entire OFP from a HA Captain on the 330. Another thing I recommend is try talking to the FA during the flight. It is very interesting to see where FA like frequenting and how they enjoy their job. Don't be afraid.
I guess that is the biggest fear of most people. I remember when I was young asking the F/A and that was pre 9/11. I was afraid all the time, but it was worth it. Did my first landing in the cockpit of an Airbus A310 in PMI. I loved every second of it
That sucks. It is not her job to decide who may get into the cockpit and who may not. Maybe the pilots told her they don't want any visits or it was some kind of checkflight or training etc so that she knew in advance that visits are not possible.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8231 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9011 times:
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 22): I guess that is the biggest fear of most people. I remember when I was young asking the F/A and that was pre 9/11. I was afraid all the time, but it was worth it. Did my first landing in the cockpit of an Airbus A310 in PMI. I loved every second of it
I never had a fear of asking the F/As or pilots anything, really. I posted this thread because it seemed like some got an invite but I guess most just asked
Here's a few cockpit shots I managed to grab:
Obviously not the best photos (the 77L cockpit was from my iPhone) but yeah They're all really nice pilots over at DL