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Best Camera For A 13 Year Old Starter  
User currently offlinedylanjgrant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Hi all,
first time posting for me,.
I just wondered what would be the best camera for a 13 year old beginner who can get near the runway at Southampton?
Thanks to all who answered

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User currently offlinedazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting dylanjgrant (Thread starter):
I just wondered what would be the best camera for a 13 year old beginner who can get near the runway at Southampton?

It depends on your budget really. How close can you get? What quality do you want / expect from the camera? Are you wanting to take photos of static aircraft, taxiing or fast moving / in the air?

If you have the budget, there's no question an entry level DSLR is the best option. A compact or bridge camera, while good, have their limitations. Don't be tempted by the amount of zoom they offer. While in some situations it's useful, they tend to offer poor quality the more you zoom in and can be tricky to use (keep steady). Shutter lag is also a consideration. For static and slow moving subjects, they are fine. For fast moving subject such as aircraft on approach, they simply aren't fast enough. A DSLR will get around most of these problems, but will cost more.

Darren



Equipment: 2x Canon EOS 50D; Sigma 10-20 EX DC HSM, 50-500 EX APO DG, Canon 24-105 f/4 L, Speedlite 430EX
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

I'm using a Nikon D3200, which is about as entry-level as it can get. They run between $400-700 depending on where you shop. I got mine for about $400 at a camera shop in Japan....cheapest possible route  

Mine came with 2 lenses too, so shop wisely.



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User currently offlineegondo From Indonesia, joined Dec 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

For motion shots, it is better to use SLRs for their fast autofocus. If you're in a budget, cheap SLRs costs $350 (Nikon D3000). IMO, this is a good body to start your SLR life because it has a 'guide' button to help you with bells and whistles in an SLR. If you want to upgrade, you can use the newest D3200 or D5200. In Canon, the cheapest SLR is the 1000-1100D, and you can also buy the newest 650D, which may be costly.

User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

Hi Dylan.

If you're hoping to, at some stage, have photos on here then you'll need a DSLR with a reasonable lens, so you're looking at Nikon, Canon, Sony and Pentax, all of which have a range of good cameras. There are perennial arguments about which of Canon or Nikon is best, but don't discount the others, they get good reviews and are aimed more at the amateur/consumer than the professional.

DSLRs and lenses can be expensive when you add it all up so a lot will depend on how much money you've got to spend.

For being reasonably close to the runway, with the planes that come to Southampton you'll need a lens, or lenses, with focal lengths covering the range from around 40mm or 50mm to 200mm.

You can check amazon for prices and see what's available.

For example there's the Nikon D3100 with 18-55 and 55-200 lenses that should be more than enough.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-D3100-...oto&ie=UTF8&qid=1365949310&sr=1-27

There will be similar with the Canon 550D, perhaps and either a 18-135 lens or 18-55 and 55-250 lens

You'll also need some SD cards and maybe a spare battery.

For processing the pictures there's Photoshop (if you've lots of money) Photoshop Elements (which is enough for most editing purposes and you can buy from the Adobe website) or there's GIMP that's free and does much the same as Photoshop but without as much documentation.

If you just want to take photos then you can use a bridge camera or compact camera, but get one that has full control, i.e. not one that just has various scene modes. For this you won't want more than a x10 or so zoom. You need to be able to control the exposure rather than rely on the camera. Planes in the sky can confuse cameras because the sky is bright.

After all that, you'll spend a year or so getting to grips with the finer points of taking photos. It's not as easy as it looks and planes are challenging because (i) they move and (ii) the lighting can be difficult.



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User currently offlinedylanjgrant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Okay thanks.
I am on a budget of about 200-250, so I shall have a look around.
Cheers
Dylan


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Dylan, Argos currently offer the Nikon D3000 for £249.99, with a kit lens. It's been discontinued I believe (hance the price reduction) but at 10.2 megapixels would be a great starter DSLR.

Karl


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

Hi Dylan,

If you're in Southampton you're lucky as we have some decent camera shops with good 2nd hand gear - City Photographic in Bedford Place and London Camera Exchange (x2) opposite the Civic and near the corner of Above Bar and East Street.

You say you can get "near" the runway at SOU - AFAIK unless you're thinking about shooting through fences, then either you mean the carpark (from which you'll get chucked out of pretty quick if you're spotted with a camera) or the hill running alongside the runway. For the hill you probably want around 300mm. If you're considering the approached at either end, then again 300 would be about right, though 200 would be probably be OK

To be honest 200-250 is not going to be enough for a DSLR body and lens, even used. So you'll have to decide whether you want something right now and risk getting frustrated by it in a short time, or wait until you can afford what you need.

If you are just doing this for your own records and enjoyment, then a compact or bridge camera might be fine. If you see this as a starting point for something more serious, then I'd suggest you wait.

One thing you might consider is buying a film camera in the short term which can be had real cheap. Some models will use lenses that you can later use with a DSLR.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlinedylanjgrant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Cheers,
Colin: Do you know where West End Park is? I go spotting there (as I'm 13 and not allowed to the airport) and you can read the reg off with 60x binoculars. A film camera seems a good idea actually! Shall look for one just until I can get a decent cam.

Dylan


User currently offlinedylanjgrant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Also just found the Canon EOS 300 / EOS Rebel 2000 135 mm Camera on amazon for 70 gbp,
is that good?
Dylan


User currently offlinedazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Dylan,

For the type of photography you're wanting to do, I would stay clear of 35mm film cameras. You'll have the ongoing expense of purchasing and developing film (which is only really the demain of specialists these days) and unless you know the basics of how to use a camera and the exposure triangle, it'll not yield the results you're after. For your budget, a bridge style camera will probably meet your needs but bear in mind the disadvantages with these that I mention above. Ebay can be a good source of equipment, you may be able to pick up a used entry level DSLR and lens for your budget, but be careful to get one with a low shutter count if you can. Many start out with compact / bridge cameras and soon grow out of them as they realise the limitations they have with aviation photography quite quickly. That's were the DSLR's come in as performance is another step up. If you're using 60x binos, you're going to need a long lens to get photos of aircraft. That's were the expense of using a DSLR is, not in the camera body, the lens. A 70-300mm is about the least you'll need with the sounds of it.

Darren



Equipment: 2x Canon EOS 50D; Sigma 10-20 EX DC HSM, 50-500 EX APO DG, Canon 24-105 f/4 L, Speedlite 430EX
User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

Hi Dylan,

Yes I know West End park well - you can get some great views of aircraft landing/taking off there, but it is a fair distance from the airport. To get the equivalent view of your 60x binoculars you would need at least a 600mm lens.

I think the only way you will get close to this is with a digicam with a long zoom range.

As to film cameras - yes, getting film processed can be expensive ... but you can do it yourself for quite low cost. It really depends if you just want to "spot" aircraft or want to get involved with photography as a hobby in its own right.

You might also want to check if your school has a camera club (or might be interested in starting one). If a club existed, it may be prepared to buy a camera for loan to club members.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Despite what's been said above I think the Argos deal on a brand new Nikon D3000 is your best bet. You might need to hurry though, as stocks will soon run low due to it being replaced by the D3100.

Karl


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
Despite what's been said above I think the Argos deal on a brand new Nikon D3000 is your best bet.

If the object is to acquire a DSLR, then yes it is a good deal.

But that 18-55mm lens is going to be useless for the scenario described by the OP. Essentially double the price to get the 300mm which is pretty much a minmum requirement.

Bottom line is that for the budget, there will need to be a compromise either on IQ and performance OR lens reach.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 765 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

PS to last post.

I just got LCE Southampton's (Civic Centre) used equipment mailout. Amongst other things they have a used Canon 300D for £119 and a 75-300 for £99 which is in budget. Good people at LCE and you get a 6 month warranty.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlineepten From Macedonia, joined Sep 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

I'd recommend any second hand DSLR.

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