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Enjoy Aviation Vs. Taking Pictures  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9032 posts, RR: 75
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
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Hi guys,

I wasn't sure how this thread title should be. But I try to explain.

When I am at the airport I like to take pictures of airplanes as well and sometimes uploading it here.

But what I recently observed is that many people seem to see the aviation world only through their cameras. A lovely Boeing 747 (or any other airplane) is approaching and everybody has their cameras up (including me) and taking pictures. Then when the motive isn't as good anymore, people turn their heads down and check their pictures instead of watching the airplane continue its approach or watch the touchdown. Many just turn around right after they took the picture and turn their back on the airplane.

Is the taking pictures getting more important than enjoying aviation in general? Just looking at the airplane floating in, doing a nice landing?

I personally took the pictures, put the camera down and watch the airplane land or see it disappear slowly after take off.

I hope you guys understand what I mean. It is not mean to offend anybody, but I enjoy aviation that much and I don't want to see it all the time through the camera.

What do you think about it?

wilco737
  


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User currently offlineyerbol From Kazakhstan, joined Feb 2010, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Hi Phil,
I enjoy both as you do, taking photos and watching the aircraft.
My example. Here in Almaty we still have a chance to see old Antonov and Tupolev planes which can be recognized from a far distance by their smoke and sound. Same with other airplanes. Nice background, crosswind, humidity etc brings additional visual effects so you can't take your eyes from the whole picture.



With best regards from Almaty
User currently offlineEpten From Macedonia, joined Sep 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Oh, yes, it's a big dilemma for me too. I often find myself feeling guilty of checking the focus instead of the graceful touchdown. Or feeling guilty of missing that perfect shot while simply watching the beautiful big bird.

Solution? Go to the airport when weather is not perfect for photography and enjoy watching without feeling guilty.  


User currently offlineyerbol From Kazakhstan, joined Feb 2010, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting Epten (Reply 2):
Solution? Go to the airport when weather is not perfect for photography and enjoy watching without feeling guilty.  

Hard to go to the airport without a camera   Surprizes usually happens when you do not expect them  



With best regards from Almaty
User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

I get the best of both worlds because there's very little I shoot at my local these days. If I head out it's usually only for a couple of things, so most of the time the camera stays in the bag and I enjoy being solely an observer for a while. Equally important is enjoying the weather (if it's good) and the banter with the lads!

All in all, the whole aviation experience collectively is what I like - particularly the pub at the end of a successful evening!

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4020 times:
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Since I work at an airport, I see planes takeoff and land all day every day. It never gets old. In fact whenever I hear a plane take off or land, I will turn and look. Every single time. Same if I'm elsewhere in town under the flight path. I can't help but not look and enjoy the beauty of an airliner in the sky.

When I take photos, it's either of a unique visitor or exceptional conditions. But it's all about the beauty of aviation for me and if I'm focusing on the photography, it's because I'm trying to capture the beauty before my eyes.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Interesting dilemma. I think from time to time we all ask ouselves the same question.
Personally, it depends on where I am. I am used to spotting at AEP, and traffic here is limited. Same models, same regs, same angles, etc. So yes, when I go to AEP I take a picture or two and then just watch the planes do their thing. A few times I have gone there without even taking the camera out of the bag.
However, when I have the chance to take pictures at places that are rare for me, it's pictures pictures and pictures. But even then, it will depend on what aircraft I am seeing. I am much more interested in a 747 than a A320.



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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

OMG.....I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad you did this thread. I totally agree with you. I've known some folks who are only about the livery and not abot the joys of aviation.

Yesterday @ TPA, I frantically got pics of the zero-gravity 727 on taxi and runway entry. But then, it was time to put the camera down and enjoy the sight/sound of that beauty thundering down the runway.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
It never gets old. In fact whenever I hear a plane take off or land

  



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User currently offlineThierryD From Luxembourg, joined Dec 2005, 2070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
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Nice thread!  

I know the feeling and the question very well myself.
Especially at airshows sometimes. I regularly catch myself being so focused on getting the perfect photo that I forget about just enjoying a perfectly nice display.

I got more relaxed over the years though. I've photographed all kinds of aircraft at most different locations so I don't get upset anymore if I miss an opportunity of taking a good shot and instead just relax and enjoy the "show".  

However I stopped going to an airport without my camera long ago cause I've missed too many nice opportunities just because I thought "Oh well, there's not gonna be anything interesting today anyway" and left my camera at home. I now always take it with me but don't shoot everything that passes by.

Thierry



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10027 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3877 times:
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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 7):
I've known some folks who are only about the livery and not abot the joys of aviation.

Hey, if catching the livery gives them joy, who am I to say otherwise?

Basically, that sums up my thoughts - people may have different reasons for going down to the airport/airshow/wherever, and I have absolutely no problem with that.

Personally, sometimes I don't watch the aircraft all the way through landing. Sometimes I am looking to see if I got a good shot. Other times, I force myself to watch it land. At airshows, I make sure I'm enjoying the show beyond taking photos.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Well there's all kinds of reasons people take photos - I'm sure its a psychological can of worms if you want to go down that road. For me photography is a disease - I am an addict pure and simple. Be it aviation or anything else, if I can't take photos I go into withdrawal. Its not pretty.

But I'm not hurting anyone - and so far have not resorted to crime to support my habit  

Maybe we need a photographers anonymous. "Its been 7 days since I took a picture ..."

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
"Its been 7 days since I took a picture ..."

With English summers as they are you can go months!

Karl


User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 838 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
"Its been 7 days since I took a picture ..."

With English summers as they are you can go months!

Karl

Only if you're a fair weather photographer, Karl.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Quoting 747438 (Reply 12):
Only if you're a fair weather photographer, Karl

Or if you happen to live anywhere near Manchester.......


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

I have noticed this, and ill admit that im sometimes guilty of it, especially during my first few spotting trips to MAN. It sometimes is so bad that im pretty much only seeing the aircraft movements on my camera LCD screen and not with my own eyes... But for my last few spotting trips to MAN and LHR, ive learned to put my camera down and enjoy the sights and sounds of aviation.


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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14):
ill admit that im sometimes guilty of it,

I don't understand the 'guilt' element some seem to be expressing. If you're a photographer, that's what you do. I only feel guilty when I put down the camera. On a good day, you get into the zone ... everything comes together, you're into a rythym and you just know you're getting the shots you want .... why break the spell?

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2387 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting ckw (Reply 15):
If you're a photographer, that's what you do.

Yea well, when I first moved here to MAN, my real intention was to only watch planes not really photograph them. But when I bought a camera late last year, I went a bit photo crazy at the Airport, practically taking a picture of every plane that past the park, eventually running out of battery and missing the A380 take off... MAN gets alot of similar traffic (meaning A320s and 737 series) so lately ive backed off taking photos of those types and focusing more on the larger types  



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User currently offlineviv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Last year, I went to a major airshow without a camera.

What's wrong with me?



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
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Quoting viv (Reply 17):

Nothing at all, a lot to be said for seeing rather than "keeping"

This applies to other fields not just aviation, I go to car races with a friend, I will take photos, he watches the races.
After 30 + years of this we have a regular pattern, I shoot, he explains what happened afterwards.

On another forum a member asked about storage options because he was going to Europe with his wife and had planned to take 5-600 photos a day to remember their special holiday.
Myself and several others tried in vain to convince him if he was taking 5-600 pics a day he was not going to have a "special holiday" to remember.

I am all for taking photos and do take many .. but I am a big fan of "the experience" as well



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

I spent enough time 'watching' as a kid without a camera.

I 'watched' 747SP's, L-1011's, IL-62's, 707's, DC-9's, DC-8's, Shorts 360's, 727's, A300's, Concorde, Pan Am, Northwest Orient, Varig, Swissair, Lan Chile, LTU, Olympic, BWIA, Alia, Eastern, American Trans Air, Flying Tigers, Malev, Republic, Sabena, TWA, Avianca, Aer Afrique, etc. all fly by me to land at JFK as I played during school recess or in my backyard. Now all I have left are hazy memories and other people's pictures. The hell with that, going forward.

A big part of my motivation as a photographer is that it allows me to steal back a moment in time that otherwise would be lost forever. What I saw through my eyes, not someone else's. When Airliners had its annual show at EWR a few years ago I picked up the 'JFK Classic' DVD. It was riveting seeing many of the same aircraft again, but my own shots tie me to that moment personally.

Plus, as someone else mentioned, the day you leave the camera at home is the day something nice flies by you.


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10027 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 16):
practically taking a picture of every plane that past the park

I still do that. It's a rare airplane that flies by without at least one photo being taken. Even if it's just another WN 737.

Quoting viv (Reply 17):
Last year, I went to a major airshow without a camera.

What's wrong with me?

Sometimes I wish I could still do that. But it's just too much fun to me to take photos. Plus it really helps kill time between demos.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
Myself and several others tried in vain to convince him if he was taking 5-600 pics a day he was not going to have a "special holiday" to remember.

That's up to him (or his wife   ). Whenever my girlfriend and I go somewhere, I inevitably end up taking loads of photos. She knows that, and is quite supportive.

I've also met a married couple or two who both basically had their cameras glued to their hands.

Quoting megatop412 (Reply 19):
I spent enough time 'watching' as a kid without a camera.

I 'watched' 747SP's, L-1011's, IL-62's, 707's, DC-9's, DC-8's, Shorts 360's, 727's, A300's, Concorde, Pan Am, Northwest Orient, Varig, Swissair, Lan Chile, LTU, Olympic, BWIA, Alia, Eastern, American Trans Air, Flying Tigers, Malev, Republic, Sabena, TWA, Avianca, Aer Afrique, etc. all fly by me to land at JFK as I played during school recess or in my backyard. Now all I have left are hazy memories and other people's pictures. The hell with that, going forward.

That is a very good point. I have a terrible memory, and photos are an important way for me to not lose experiences into the black hole that apparently resides somewhere in my brain.

For me, it's really an all-or-nothing question. I'm not good at just taking a few photos. It's either zero, or at least several hundred, hard drive space be damned.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting viv (Reply 17):

Last year, I went to a major airshow without a camera.

I really do not think I could do that ... and remain sane. Last year I trashed both my cameras toward the start of a day long boat shoot - no option to go back. I was naturally upset - not for the loss of the cameras, insurance would cover that - but the prospect of watching potential great shots sail pass me all day long. Fortunately a fellow photographer took pity on me and let me use his camera as he was feeling a bit sea sick.

At least that's what he said. Perhaps he'd noticed a slightly deranged look in my eye and decided to be generous before I threw him overboard.

Anyway, I think I've discovered what's wrong with me
http://danielstainer.wordpress.com/2...pulsive-photography-disorder-ocpd/

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Not taking photos is fine; as in taking hundreds. Looking back I am glad I photographed 727s, 732s, DC9s, etc. in numbers, as they're just not around any more. I do, however, wish I'd photographed many more, instead of being more of an observer at the time. Not taking photos can come back and bite you on the arse. I love looking through the database at images from UK airports in the 1980s/1990s, and if people hadn't been so trigger happy (don't forget it was nowhere near as easy reeling off hundreds of photos a day back then) I couldn't enjoy the privilage. In the old days it was always nice when someonme turned up with a photo album - either an old one or one from a recent trip abroad - that you could all sit and look at when the action got slow.

Several of the people I regularly go to LHR with will come back with 500-600 images from the day, whereas I'll be lucky if I come back with 50. I don't take photos of just anything - the light has to be just right and if it isn't it might as well be the rarest thing on the planet for all I care because I won't press the shutter. Sometimes it's just nicer to sit back, relax, have a beer and chew the fat with the guys.

Karl


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

I am often one who complains about the modern digital airline photographers having no soul and more interested in becoming a photographer "celebrity" than caring about aviation itself...

then I find myself doing the same thing. I get a picture of that plane I want to get, then the next thing I do I check to make sure I got it and it looks good. That is the problem with the digital camera age - I have been shooting digital since 2005, prior to that I shot film. I found that I saw more planes at airports and airshows back in the days I shot film. You shot one picture of the plane - made sure it was good and then watched it the rest of the way. I didn't shoot 20 shots as it went by because film wasn't cheap. I probably haven't seen or been able to enjoy a Thunderbirds or Blue Angels performance since before 2005 because my head is always behind a camera... but then I did a lot of videotaping at airshows too from 1998-2005, so that is just as bad.


User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Having your head behind a camera isn't always a bad thing. Part of aviation photography is to enjoy it years down the line, when you can sit and count the ones that just ain't around any more. You could look at it like this: spend the time checking that photo over and over again instead of watching the plane go through its full motions, but enjoy that image in years to come when the damn thing is baked bean cans! Having a pictorial memory for me is more important than simply having that memory in my head.

Like I said, it's great when someone pulls out an album of old prints during the slow hours at the local. Or at the pub at the end of the day.....

Karl


25 linco22 : Personally, I couldn't bring myself to go to the aiport/airshow without my camera. Just in case I miss something, a surprise visitor for example. Gene
26 NASCARAirforce : The way Airshows are headed in the US, it isn't going to be as hard to leave the camera at home. With no military flying in airshows probably until w
27 angad84 : Some days, particularly during times when the light is poor, I just switch off and enjoy the view. Last year, I was able to spend a few days shooting
28 vikkyvik : The way airshows are headed in the US, I'll just pop over to LAX for an afternoon instead. I generally go to airshows for the military demos (C-17, F
29 Post contains images megatop412 : I am with you brother, I totally am, especially with remembering what the 80's were like(see my reply #19). On top of all that you list, for folks li
30 angad84 : Oh, I love that too. I meant if I'm out in the morning on a clear (ie: straightforward good shooting weather) day and by noon the sun's done its job
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