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User currently offlinedfinley From United States of America, joined May 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Does anyone have any success uploading images to a.net using the Neat Image plug in for photoshop? I was wondering because a lot of my images have been rejected due to "soft" appearances.


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User currently offlinejid From Barbados, joined Dec 2004, 975 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

I used to use it and in moderation it was fine. Now I use noise reduction in ACR which is far better.

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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting dfinley (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any success uploading images to a.net using the Neat Image plug in for photoshop? I was wondering because a lot of my images have been rejected due to "soft" appearances.

Sounds like you're using too much NR, if you're having trouble sharpening sufficiently.

I'd advise posting some before/after NR samples.



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User currently offlinemjgbtv From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

I use the standalone version of Neat Image. I generally stick with the Default filter preset, except that I sometimes reduce the luminance channel to 40% or 50%. I don't find that that introduces problematic softness.

User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

A useful trick with Photoshop plugins (or for that matter, nearly any PS operation) is the Fade function. Immediately after applying Neat image, noise ninja or whatever go to Edit -> Fade (or Shift+Ctrl+F) - you can then reduce the impact of the plugin to a more acceptable level. As you can see the effect of the fade very easily at full size, you can get it "just right".

Even better, you can apply the fade selectively - for example Fade has color and luminosity options meaning you can get rid of colour noise without affecting image sharpeness (which is largely determined by luminosity).

The only thing to watch out for is that Fade only works on the last applied function - so you can't use Neat Image, then sharpen and afterward decide you want to go back and fade Neat image,

On a related note, a very easy way to remove color noise ...

1 - Gaussian blur the whole image quite a bit (no fine detail visible)
2 - Go Fade, select color at 100% and that's it.


Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting ckw (Reply 4):
A useful trick with Photoshop plugins (or for that matter, nearly any PS operation) is the Fade function. Immediately after applying Neat image, noise ninja or whatever go to Edit -> Fade (or Shift+Ctrl+F) - you can then reduce the impact of the plugin to a more acceptable level. As you can see the effect of the fade very easily at full size, you can get it "just right".

Just out of curiosity, how is this different than simply adjusting the settings of noise reduction as you do it? For low-ISO shots, I rarely apply any luminance NR to the whole shot, and often apply just a bit of chroma NR.



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User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3820 times:
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I use it for all photos I upload here that require noise reduction. I just choose "auto profile" and then when it makes a box i choose "remove half of weaker noise" under the default settings. Very fast and works 99% of the time. You can do 1-2 passes that way if there is excessive noise and it has been very rare that it made photos washed out...

User currently offlinecharlietj From Mexico, joined Jul 2005, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Consider Neatimage as a "little help" when you have images with noticeable noise or graininess.

I use the Photoshop plug-in on 62bits, ONLY when needed. Images can have a bit of noise on certain circumstances, so you must be careful on applying the right amount of noise reduction, otherwise the images will appear all messy and blurry.

I'll show you 2 of my pictures:

1-. This one I did not feel the need of using neatimage:

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Photo © Carlos Lopez - AeroImagenes De Mexico



You might notice a bit of grain on it.. However, it is within the noise and grain limits.

2-. On this I did use the noise reduction but with a value as low as I could, so I don't mess up the image.

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Photo © Carlos Lopez - AeroImagenes De Mexico



I filtered because due to the time of the day (near sunset) I had the need to go up to ISO-400 or 600 in some cases. And higher ISOs give you more noise.

Neatimage is also a good tool for night spotting images, however the image has to be good itself day or night time.

Hope this helps a bit!


User currently offlineGandalf19 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Neat Image is the kind of plugin that works best if the user gets to know what all the sliders do and tweaks the default starting point. It is quite a technical plug in. I disagree that the NR in ACR/LR is better - the NR in the latter is certainly good, but NI offers far more options to tailor the NR and it can be used with masks on a layer in Photoshop, which can be advantageous.

I actually have licences for a frightening number of these NR plugins - Neat Image, Topaz DeNoise, Noise Ninja, Nik Dfine, and Noiseware.

Right out of the box I prefer the default NR of Noiseware - it requires the least amount of tweaking in my experience - I recommend it wholeheartedly. The others all have their strengths, but I find myself coming back to Noiseware the most, called from within Photoshop.


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 769 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):
Just out of curiosity, how is this different than simply adjusting the settings of noise reduction as you do it?

It may not be any different (im not a neat image user) but with noise ninja I find it easier to assess the result looking at the whole image rather than the small area the NN window shows me.

Also I'm offering it as a more general technique that a surprising number of people aren't aware of ... some go to the trouble of creating a layer to apply sharpening, then fade the layer. This is quicker. Bottom line - its Photoshop, there are at least 10 different ways to do anything.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinedfinley From United States of America, joined May 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
I'd advise posting some before/after NR samples.

Here are a couple of samples. The first image is edited using my ancient version of photoshop elements 5.0. I resized, selected the background, inverted selection, expanded 1 mp, unsharp mask on the airplane, then inverted my selection again, and used PSE's built in noise reduction function.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dentonfinley/8989366584/

The second is the same process, but rather than use the built in NR I used the auto profile feature on the free NeatImage plugin.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dentonfinley/8989366970/

What do you think. Is there any noticeable difference between the two?



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User currently offlinemjgbtv From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting dfinley (Reply 10):
Is there any noticeable difference between the two?

I think so. The first one appears to have a slightly noticeable grain (and I don't always see grain that other people do with the monitor I am using now) The Neat Image one does not appear to have any significant grain.

You could equalize both and any differences should be more obvious.

My best guess is that the first one might get a rejection for noise but I don't think that the second one should.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10342 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3343 times:

Quoting dfinley (Reply 10):
What do you think. Is there any noticeable difference between the two?

The NeatImage edit looks softer.

Are you applying general NR after resizing and sharpening? I'm no NR expert, but I never apply general noise reduction after resizing, never mind sharpening. Only local NR on specific areas at that point, if needed.

For noisier images that may require general NR, I apply it to the RAW file prior to resizing.

Quoting ckw (Reply 9):
Also I'm offering it as a more general technique that a surprising number of people aren't aware of

Count me in as one of those who wasn't aware!



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