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Canon 5Dmk3, Or My 7D?  
User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Thinking of upgrading my camera...I am using a 7D with a rather old 100-400L lens which is beginning to struggle a little. I am thinking or replacing both the lens and maybe a new body as well in the next few months or a year.

I was thinking about the 5Dmk3, but because it is full frame, I lose some reach because 99% of every photo that camer takes is aviation and I need the extra reach. So if I get a 5D and have to crop my images, how does that compare to my 7D quality where I don't have to crop anything much?

I am also waiting for maybe the 100-400Mk2, rumoured for release this year. I don't think any other lens is realistic for me. The 200-400 sounds great but I refuse to spend that amount of money on a camera lens. Doesn't leave me with much choice.

Anyone with any advice?

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User currently offlineFLPhoto From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

CX Flyboy-
I am a 13 year old Nikon user, but I will still give you my best advice. I have looked into Canon before, and with the aging 7D and the much praised 5D MKIII, the 5D MKIII is the clear winner. If you ever plan on shooting video, it excells at that. For stills, the 5D MKIII also wins. Depending on how much you want to spend, it could vary. If this was me, I would go for the 5D MKIII, because of its features. Many of the 7D's features, such as the CF storage, is outdated. Another option Would be to wait for the 7D MKII, which would come out later this year. Now onto your crop issue, the full frame sensor could help a lot with other subjects such as landscapes or portraits. Have you tried to use a 1.4xTC? That would help some, or you could shoot in full resolution and crop.

Hope this helps,
FLPhoto


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

What conditions do you shoot in? Are you looking to take more low light photos? If yes, then the 5D3 might be a good option. I can get decent shots with my 100-400 on the 5D3; and in low light conditions. I never owned the 7D - I went from a 40D to the 5D3 but the advancement there in AF is fantastic.


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The above photo is smaller than 1/9th of the full res photo @400mm. It was good enough to get up here. The cropped width of this frame was 1911px.

I don't suppose speed of the 7D is an issue? Any other things you don't think the 7D is good enough for and want someone's opinion?



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 1):
I am a 13 year old Nikon user, but I will still give you my best advice. I have looked into Canon before, and with the aging 7D and the much praised 5D MKIII, the 5D MKIII is the clear winner. If you ever plan on shooting video, it excells at that. For stills, the 5D MKIII also wins. Depending on how much you want to spend, it could vary. If this was me, I would go for the 5D MKIII, because of its features. Many of the 7D's features, such as the CF storage, is outdated. Another option Would be to wait for the 7D MKII, which would come out later this year. Now onto your crop issue, the full frame sensor could help a lot with other subjects such as landscapes or portraits. Have you tried to use a 1.4xTC? That would help some, or you could shoot in full resolution and crop.

Thanks for the info. As I do not do portraits or landscapes, the full frame has no use to me and in fact is a disadvantage. The 100-400L does not work well with a converter (either the 1.4x or 2x) and therefore is not an option either.

As for the features of the 5Dmk3, the lower noise is a bonus but things like the duel CF/SD storage do not bring me any real benefits. I already don't use most of the advanced functions on my 7D!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 2):
What conditions do you shoot in? Are you looking to take more low light photos? If yes, then the 5D3 might be a good option. I can get decent shots with my 100-400 on the 5D3; and in low light conditions. I never owned the 7D - I went from a 40D to the 5D3 but the advancement there in AF is fantastic.

I suppose low light conditions will come into it sometimes so the 5D would help there. The speed of the 7D is fast enough...I don't even use the high speed function as planes don't move that quickly! I only take a maximum of 10 shots per aircraft movement so I only need it to take a couple of shots a second....and I don't even bother with raw!

I don't think there is anything wrong with my 7D per se....I am just always looking for opportunities to better my equipment. I've had it 3 years and just thinking its time for an upgrade since I have a little money saved up.

I used to have a 40D before my 7D and there was a world of improvement. Just wondering whether the 5D will bring me a huge step up in performance, or whether the additional cropping I would have to do with it cancels any benefits the 5D brings.

I could wait and get the 7DMk2 and the 100-400Mk2, but I don't think I can justify two expensive purchases in quick succession thats why I am leaning towards upgrading the body now because I know when the new lens is out I am going to want it!


User currently offlineFLPhoto From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Know the feeling CX flyboy. Always need to upgrade, but this thing called money gets in the way  .Based on what you said, it seems that you are fine with your equipment, but just want to upgrade. If I were you, I would advise against the 5D MKIII, due to the cost, and the advanced features you would not need. I would get whichever comes out first, and then wait to get the other.

Hope this helps,
FLPhoto


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 3):
I could wait and get the 7DMk2 and the 100-400Mk2, but I don't think I can justify two expensive purchases in quick succession thats why I am leaning towards upgrading the body now because I know when the new lens is out I am going to want it!

I don't see much difference between buying one now and one later vs buying them both later!  

I guess you can weigh up whether you'd prefer the extended reach of the crop body or better low light photos. I would expect the 5D3 to have superior noise control over the 7D2. But as I showed above, using a cropped photo can be ok as well. Take a look at what focal lengths the majority of your photos are being taken with right now and see how big they are in the frame.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Thanks for the replies FLPhoto and NZ107.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
I don't see much difference between buying one now and one later vs buying them both later!

Spending all that money in one hit is hard to justify!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
But as I showed above, using a cropped photo can be ok as well. Take a look at what focal lengths the majority of your photos are being taken with right now and see how big they are in the frame.

Unfortunately here in Hong Kong we cannot get too close to the planes so I am always after more zoom.

I was just thinking that maybe despite losing the crop factor on the 7D, perhaps even after cropping the photo on the 5D the image quality is still better than on the 7D? What are the noise levels like on the two?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 6):
I was just thinking that maybe despite losing the crop factor on the 7D, perhaps even after cropping the photo on the 5D the image quality is still better than on the 7D? What are the noise levels like on the two?

The 5D3 is excellent with noise control. I can't comment on the 7D.. Maybe there's someone else out there who has both and can do a comparison. I was hearing on here that the 7D was bad with noise but I wouldn't know. Noise aside, I think the autofocus is good enough to get those shots which are further away so that the picture will still end up sharp. That's from my experience in cropping a lot. Mind you, the atmospheric conditions down here are much better than HKG and I haven't used the 5D3 for spotting in HKG.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
I was hearing on here that the 7D was bad with noise but I wouldn't know.

I rarely use more than 200ISO on my 7D partly because I have noticed noise much higher but partly because if I need much more ISO than that, then it isn't a day worth spent spotting!

Anyone able to make a comparison between the 7D and 5Dmk3?


User currently offlineFLPhoto From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

If you were to upgrade, would you consider selling? If so, how much?
FLPhoto


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 8):
but partly because if I need much more ISO than that, then it isn't a day worth spent spotting!

Wow. Your eyes are going to be opened if you were to take a 5D3 out in the evening! Except I don't think any locations in HKG are too good for evening/low light photography..



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 732 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

I have the 5D mk3 and did own a 7D.

My biggest gripe with the 7D was image quality at ISO 100 - its not bad, but IMHO should have been better. This became very obvious when comparing 5D and 7D images. Other than that, its a great camera.

The question you have to ask is how good does it need to be? Given that the 7D provides more than adequate quality for any publication, is there any real value in upgrading given that you seem happy with most other aspects of the camera.

The 5D3 does have other benefits - high ISO performance is excellent, and the AF is much better but, from what you said, these may not be big issues for you.

I'm a very varied shooter and use wide lenses as much as telephoto, often shoot in tricky lighting and really appreciate the huge bright viewfinder you get with full frame cameras. However, if I was shooting only aviation, I think all things considered, the 7D is good enough and the benefit of the 1.6 crop would be the deciding factor.

From what you've said, I would opt for better glass. But also keep in mind the 7Dii may be available at the end of the year which may offer some of the 5D3 benefits without losing the crop factor. So if planning 2 big purchases over time, go for the glass now and see what Canon produce in the next year or so - there are lots of interesting rumours. The 7Dii is all but a certainty by year end, and very high megapixel (35-50mp) cameras are known to be undergoing field testing. There are various suggestions that Canon may have something fairly radical up its sleeve in terms of sensor design as well. I think its a good time to "wait and see".

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Thanks Colin. Thats the comparison I needed. I think I will follow your advice rather than buy the 5D which for me anyway may not be much of an upgrade. My 100-400L lens takes 95% of all my photos on the 7D and 99% of all pics are aviation so I agree, a 5D might not be much of an upgrade.

I think my next purchase will have to be the 100-400MkII when it is eventually announced. I guess I will save my money for the next 6-9 months!

Quoting FLPhoto (Reply 9):
If you were to upgrade, would you consider selling? If so, how much?
FLPhoto

I think I will hang onto my 7D for the time being!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):
Wow. Your eyes are going to be opened if you were to take a 5D3 out in the evening! Except I don't think any locations in HKG are too good for evening/low light photography..

Yes I don't doubt you. I have friends who use the 5DMk3 for non-aviation purposes and they love it...but thats not me. For just out and about photos I have a little Canon IXUS I enjoy using. I don't have time for serious photography of more than aviation right now.


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