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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1325 posts, RR: 10
Posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

I'm asking this question for a NIF: what are the best picture settings for a Canon 60D for airliner photography? e.g. faithful, neutral, standard? All answers greatly appreciated.

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User currently offlinesouthwest9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Always go for standard in my opinion, no matter what Canon camera you have.

You might find, as I did, that neutral is a little TOO neutral and contrast can be hard to add to images if not taken in the standard picture style.

If I want to take out contrast, I rely on my computer, so that way if it looks bad, I can always revert back to the standard picture.

Do you have a good post processing software?

Also, what does NIF mean?


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
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If you're shooting RAW, it shouldn't matter, as you can change all those settings in post-processing anyway.

Shooting JPEG, I would probably just leave it on standard, or whatever the default is, or else dial in custom settings.



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
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Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2998 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

Yes. But not for richer or poorer....



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User currently offlinesouthwest9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):

Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

 

Faithful sounds like a glorified 'saturation booster' picture style....

At least according to this little article written on it:
http://www.canon.co.jp/imaging/picturestyle/

But Vik is right, RAW gives you much more wiggle room when editing, not to mention more dynamic range....
and also on the "richer or poorer" thing too


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

I heard halos started appearing with the use of that mode  



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinesouthwest9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 3):
Is there really a Canon setting called "faithful?" Does that mean your camera will stay with you, through sickness and health?

It brainwashes you into never wanting to switch to Nikon

...not that you need to be brainwashed to stick with Canon, burrrnn   


User currently offlineviv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2961 times:

I switched from Canon to Nikon when Canon abandoned the FD lens mount to enable autofocus, thus making all my Canon lenses unusable with their new cameras.
I never forgave Canon for that.



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 1):
Also, what does NIF mean?

Non Internet Friend.

Many thanks for the replies, appreciated.


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting viv (Reply 8):

I switched from Canon to Nikon when Canon abandoned the FD lens mount to enable autofocus, thus making all my Canon lenses unusable with their new cameras.
I never forgave Canon for that.


I nearly did the same, for the same reason ... but I just wasn't comfortable with the handling of Nikons of the time, so I stuck with Canon. I think my 'faithfulness' was rewarded by the industry lead Canon took in DSLRs, up to and including the 5D.

The faithful setting is a reward Canon built in for those of us that stuck with them. Using their database of known FD mount owners, this setting ensures the image will be better than any Nikon images shot in similar conditions.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5696 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
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Quoting ckw (Reply 10):
I nearly did the same, for the same reason ... but I just wasn't comfortable with the handling of Nikons of the time, so I stuck with Canon. I think my 'faithfulness' was rewarded by the industry lead Canon took in DSLRs, up to and including the 5D.The faithful setting is a reward Canon built in for those of us that stuck with them. Using their database of known FD mount owners, this setting ensures the image will be better than any Nikon images shot in similar conditions.

I went with Canon EOS/EF when my Olympus OM kit was stolen after a 20+ year partnership, a few years later in NZ my Canon gear was stolen and unable to afford new I bought a s/h OM-4 only to find support, lenses even batteries was a challenge so decided to get back into the AF world... tried Nikon and will not get into the image qual debate (this was still the film era) I just didn't feel comfortable with the handling and ergonomics.. went back to Canon.

Some years later(about 2006-07) , Olympus re entered the DSLR business and a rep tried to convince me to change , told him.. been abandoned once by Olympus, not going to do that again... he said Olympus was100% committed to Digital SLR imaging and would never abandon that market!!

Yeah right.. where is the Olympus DSLR business today?



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Poor Olympus - great cameras, even better lenses. Coming to the DSLR market late they took a gamble with their 4/3 system -and it was good, really good - but they were too small to really develop it quickly enough.

Still, their m4/3 offerings seemed to have wings ... but they've been slow coming up with a successor to the OMD-E5.

Nonetheless, Pentax - very much an Olympus competitor in the film days - had a slow start to the DSLR world, but they seem to have established a fairly good niche in the market. Olympus may yet come good - of course management fiascos haven't helped!

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineTonyholt777 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting G-CIVP (Thread starter):
I'm asking this question for a NIF: what are the best picture settings for a Canon 60D for airliner photography? e.g. faithful, neutral, standard? All answers greatly appreciated.

Hi there, back on topic - It matters not one jot if you shoot RAW - I have a 60D and have some super shots from it.

Its all irrelevant if you shoot RAW, have good technique etc...Forget about faithful etc.. utter nonsense, concentrate on composition, light firstly.

Theres a fairly good intro book by Tracey Hallet on the 60D which should help you draw your own conclusions

best of luck

T


User currently offlinesouthwest9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting Tonyholt777 (Reply 13):
Hi there, back on topic - It matters not one jot if you shoot RAW - I have a 60D and have some super shots from it.

Its all irrelevant if you shoot RAW, have good technique etc...Forget about faithful etc.. utter nonsense, concentrate on composition, light firstly.


First off, I like RAW because JPG is a little too overcooked

On a serious note though:
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.


User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting southwest9 (Reply 14):
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.

Picture styles are always going to be a compromise - you are letting the camera make choices for you, data is being thrown away and the data that remains has been baked which greatly restricts your post processing options.

Shooting jpg and using styles is fine if you are a) short on space or b) short on time but if you are trying to find the best result stick with RAW. At the very least, take a few shots in RAW, and apply the picture styles in post-processing - that way you can see what effect picture styles will have on the same image.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10029 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
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Quoting southwest9 (Reply 14):
Composition and light is important, but there has to be a point where things like the format you shoot in and the type of picture style you use, become important factors in your photography.

The point, though, is that if the light and composition suck, picture style and format matter not.

As Colin stated, the picture style and format are academic if you shoot RAW. And shooting RAW gives you the most flexibility in post-processing. If you don't care about that, the by all means shoot JPEG and choose a picture style that suits you.

Quoting ckw (Reply 15):
and the data that remains has been baked

I prefer my data grilled.

God I'm tired.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 740 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

@G-CIVP - Tony got your message, but as I'm not 1st class, can't reply directly. In answer to your question, I can't really recommend a setting as I don't use them myself. What i would suggest is that no setting is wrong - the difference in results will be more a question of personal taste.

The best thing your friend can do (or any photographer) is take a lot of pictures of similar subjects using the various settings and then decide which he/she likes best. Some will prefer a more saturated look, others a more subtle effect. The weather can also have an effect - what works on a dull day might not be as good on a sunny day.

I guess for someone who doesn't want to be bothered about post processing etc. I would suggest trusting Canon and shoot in program mode using the standard settings - ie. what Canon believes will give the best overall results. To be honest, while some of us are fixated in dragging the most out of the camera, the truth is in normal good shooting conditions, the default settings will produce something which is 95-98% as good.

If your friend is unsatisfied with their images I would bet the problem lies more in their use of lighting, composition etc. than with the camera settings.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinesouthwest9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 16):
The point, though, is that if the light and composition suck, picture style and format matter not.

As Colin stated, the picture style and format are academic if you shoot RAW. And shooting RAW gives you the most flexibility in post-processing. If you don't care about that, the by all means shoot JPEG and choose a picture style that suits you.

Hold on, I think you and Colin got the impression that I shoot JPG and I just want to be clear that I only shoot RAW. I wasn't trying to make a case for the benefits of JPG.

I was just responding to G-CIVP's original question about picture styles.

[Edited 2013-07-18 07:11:45]

[Edited 2013-07-18 07:11:58]

User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

I would just like to thank everyone for their contributions, appreciated.

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