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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Dear A.nutters,

Next week I’ll go to South England for a photography road trip built around a few airshows. The broad schedule will be as follows:

28th Arriving at Folkestone. Heathrow
29th Bournemouth Air Festival
30th Bournemouth, Tangmere museum
31th Shoreham Airshow
1st Old Warden-Biggleswade – Shuttleworth Flying Day
2nd Hendon / Duxford museums
3rd Mildenhall / Lakenheath, departure from Harwich.

Questions:
-Heathrow. I’ve never photographed there. I guess Myrtle Ave and the Rising Sun Inn area are the most practical spots for a visit by car.
-Bournemouth. The light at the Air Festival couldn’t be worse, but flying will be from BOH I suppose. Is the viewing area at BOH with its expensive parking any good? The east bank of the Moors River looks like a good alternative.
-Mildenhall / Lakenheath. Any ideas about the best times here, traffic wise?
-Suggestions for any quick stops that I should take in? I'm into most things that fly.

Thanks, Peter  

[Edited 2013-08-23 07:50:43]


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Hi Peter,

Not sure about the others you mention but I am pretty familiar with LHR. The light around this time of year isn't the best for an east-west runway but certainly much better than May/June/July. Myrtle Avenue is the most popular place but parking is restricted so you'll be lucky to find a spot. A word of warning: don't park with two wheels on the curb as it'll land you a fine!

Perhaps a better option is to pack a set of steps into your car (4-tread of higher) and - if 27L is in use before 1500 - use the area opposite the end of Cains Lane (next road up from Myrtle I think, off Hatton Road) on the A30. There is more parking here and it's always seemed less restricted to me. The angle is much better here:

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If the heat-haze becomes a problem you can just move up the fence to the east (a good area is just beyond the series of very short lampposts). The aircraft will be closer but a touch higher - but still much better than Myrtle.

If they are arriving 27R until 1500 you can still park at Cains Lane but you'll then need to get a free bus to the huts. You need to get off at the stop just after the bus takes a right at the Enfield roundabout (by BA maintenance). I think the bus numbers are 285/286. You can use the huts area but the haze off the rooftops will probably result in you using the area of grass just the other side of the roundabout itself.

If they are on the 09s you can park on the pavement on the road heading to T5 (under or just after the bridge) and then walk up the embankment for 09L. Some stuff - namely freight, VIP and Skyteam - will likely use 09R but it's not worth the hassle unless you're local and/or there's something of great interest due.

The north side I'm afraid is really no good at this time of year, so you'll be done by 1600 latest I imagine.

Karl

[Edited 2013-08-23 08:34:54]

User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 763 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

That's a pretty tight schedule - I wonder if you've allowed for what is certain to be awful traffic that weekend. It's the last weekend of the school holidays, and Bournemouth will be bad.

Personally I would give Bournemouth a miss - you'll see many of the participants at Shoreham with much better light. BOH itself has its viewing area fenced.

Hendon and Duxford in the same day is pretty ambitious (even if you ignore the travel time). Duxford is really two proper museums plus the numerous hangers.

Just as an indication - last Friday I had to travel from London to Southampton (not far from Bournemouth) - problem with the M25 (sadly all too common) resulting in a 7 hour journey. OK that's unusually bad, but if you're basing your journey times on, say, Google maps, I'm afraid you may end up quite frustrated.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Thanks a lot, Karl and Colin.

Helpful tips, Karl, I'm sure I agree with you on Myrtle Ave/Cairns Lane. I'm not too keen on carrying a four-step ladder in the car, though. I'm not sure what parking spot you're describing for 09L - near which bridge please?

Colin, I didn't really try to calculate driving times. I may reconsider Bournemouth. I could also leave on Friday morning though - wouldn't that help? I might also skip Hendon (rather dark inside if I remember well), or do Duxford on Tuesday.

Peter 



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Peter, I didn't describe the motorway bridge in too much detail as I didn't know what way you'd be coming in. I'll assume from the M25, in which case it's a left off the first roundabout you come to after exiting the motorway, onto Stanwell Moor Road. Go under the approach for 09R, past T5 on your right and you'll see a bridge going over the road. This is the spot. Be warned aircraft are more distant than the spots for 27L and R, with a 735 requiring about 210mm.

Karl


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Got it, Karl, thanks a lot.

Cheers

Peter 



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 763 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

I don't think it matters much when you travel - Bournemouth is always a bit difficult taffic wise, and the airshow will make things worse.

You're right about Hendon being dark, and as far as I can recall, tripods are not allowed without a permit (but its a few years since I was last there).

If it were me I would focus on Shoreham, Shuttleworth (get there early and check out the hangers), Duxford. I think that way you'll get more max time for photography, and provided the weather is OK, good lighting.

Both Shoreham and Shuttleworth put on good shows, and at Shuttleworth you're certain to see stuff you won't see anywhere else.

Just had a look at the lineup for Bournemouth and Shoreham - essentially most stuff of interest is at both shows. You're also closer at Shoreham.

Cheers,

Colin



Colin K. Work, Pixstel
User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Peter,

I'm a military guy who's local to Mildenhall/Lakenheath. The good news is that following the virtual standstill with the 48th FW at Lakenheath following the budget cuts earlier in the year they're back upto a reasonable amount of flying, and that was certainly the case at Lakenheath last week. They seem to set a pattern on the Monday for waves and keep to that for the rest of the week, and it's usually either morning and afternoon, or afternoon and evening if flying late, but that can vary considerably. Last week one of the sqn's was flying from about 8AM, with the others flying later on in the morning with a gap in the afternoon before evening flying, so it will be down to luck to a degree. Something to remember is that some of the F-15's are deploying within the next day or so which will reduce activity somewhat.

Because Mildenhall is a tanker hub, and to a lesser extent a transit base for aircraft coming to/from the US and is open 24/7 then activity can occur at any time, but overall nowadays actual traffic level can be quite low, even during the week with sometime hours between movements, although again you can get unpredictable peaks in activity. If you put in several hours you should get some activity from the based KC-135's and MC-130's. If you get lucky, you may get one of the new CV-22 Ospreys!

Just one thing to keep in mind that you may not be aware of. That week, starting 2nd September is the beginning of Exercise Green Flag (not to be confused with the US exercise of the same name) at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, just over an hours drive North of Lakenheath. This involves Saudi Air Force Tornados and Typhoons deployed to the UK, along with an increased number of RAF Tornado's deployed to Coningsby from Marham. Coningsby is a very open and easily accessed airfield to view at (mind you space might be an issue, considering the hundreds that are expected to descend upon the fence!). Something to keep in mind.

Gary


User currently offlineAlexC From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

I'm very local to Bournemouth Airport, and I agree that you'd be best to give it a miss this time. There used to be a very convenient viewing area adjacent to the museum that used to be there close to the runway which has now moved, and the viewing area has gone with it. The repositioned viewing area has a very high fence making it virtually useless, and therefore I haven't visited the airport since it opened.

PS, Bournemouth as a seaside town is quite pleasant!


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Gary and Alex, thanks for the additional information.

I figured that photography should be reasonable on the east and west sides of BOH, from the east bank of the river and from Parley Green Lane, respectively... not so?

I wasn't aware of Green Flag and Coningsby certainly sounds appealing, I might well head there... thanks a lot!

Peter 



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineAlexC From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Rather difficult to find anywhere to park either end of Bournemouth Airport runway.

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1820 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 9):
I figured that photography should be reasonable on the east and west sides of BOH, from the east bank of the river and from Parley Green Lane, respectively... not so?

Not sure why Bournemouth is getting such a bad reputation on here, it's a great airport to photograph from - despite the recent high fences being built around the airfield.

ptrjong, I've sent you my email address in a PM feel free to message me and I can try and help you with regards to Bournemouth Airport.


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Could someone please explain the system of runway use at LHR a bit - is only one runway in use for landings and one for take-offs at a given time?

And are there currently any specific/flights using the 787 at LHR or LGW now?

Photo spots at LHR do look limited with a western wind, and I have a hotel booking in Bournemouth so I still may give it a try. If parking is the problem at the BOH approaches - I can walk. Bmibaby, thank you, I have sent you an email.

Peter 



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1820 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Hi Peter,

Glad that I've helped you with Bournemouth via email... for your questions re: Heathrow, here's some information below.

Heathrow Airport uses one runway for departures, and one for arrivals. Providing the aircraft are landing on 27s, they will switch at 3pm. If aircraft are landing in the oposite direction (on the 09s) then they will land on 09L *all day* and depart on 09R *all day*. The only exceptions are some aircraft using Terminal 4, carrying VIP pax or some A380s. It all depends on how busy/quiet the airfield is to accommodate requests to use 09R for landings.

If the 27s are in use on the 28th (which if the forecast is correct, they won't be) they'll land on 27R in the morning and 27L after 3pm.

http://www.heathrowairport.com/stati...ownloads/PDF/rwy-alt-prog-2013.pdf

Boeing 787 flights...

ET700 arr 06:50
QR075 arr 12:00

...

Gatwick Airport is better on 08s, but it's not that interesting really... just Norwegian, Flybe, easyJet, British Airways (737s, A319s, 777s) UK Charter airlines such as Monarch, Thomson etc. You can shoot the aircraft lining up through a crash gate in the evening, or arriving (in the air shots) during the day


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Bmibaby,

Thank you so much for the complete BOH spotter guide I found in my mailbox.   
For people reading this thread in the future, you have indicated quite a few spots which I'm sure ar every decent.

Thanks for the additional LHR info too. It looks like I might be able to catch QR076 from the Rising Sun Inn area, which would be a nice prize.

The weather looks good and I'm looking forward to the trip, thanks for the great information all.

Peter 



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineAlexC From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

I think I'd appreciate some help with Bournemouth Airport too, maybe there's some viewing locations that I'm not aware of!

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3987 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Hi all,

This morning I arrived at the Hook of Holland after a very nice trip. My visit to LHR was too brief and hurried, it is true, but at least I'll know where to go next time at this slightly overwhelming place. Otherwise, everything turned out pretty well, except the museum at Tangmere which wasn't what I hoped for. I skipped Hendon as Colin suggested.

I have been reminded that the going on UK roads can sometimes be very slow, butting getting to Bournemouth & away wasn't a problem and I'm glad I went there.

Alex, the spot on the eastern end is by the water treatment reservoirs, or whatever they are, that you can see on Google Maps. Just enter the gravel road from Matchams Lane and park near where it's closed off for cars.

The Shoreham show was nice, although the light there sucks in the late afternoon, so I was happy to have photographed some participants at Bournemouth, or at Shoreham from the other side the late afternoon before, when they arrived.

Old Warden was great, even though it was too windy for any of the WWI aircraft. The bend in their display line is fantastic, allowing banking shots that you can only make with luck at other airshows. Duxford was certainly worth a day, and yesterday I morning I went to Coningsby and got some very nice shots of the Saudi Tornados and Typhoons - thanks a lot Gary. Although some of the guys there are camping there for a whole week, I was content by 2PM and made for Mildenhall where I was lucky enough to get some good shots of one the two new Marines V-22s.

Thanks for all the help!

Peter  



The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
User currently offlineAlexC From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Thanks Peter, glad that you had a good time over here. Old Warden is a great place as you say, but they have been unlucky with windy conditions recently, in fact they were unable to fly the older aircraft during my last two visits.

I've been passing Tangmere for a number of years on my way to and from visiting my sister near Brighton, and fairly recently decided to stop for a while at the museum. I knew what to expect, so wasn't disappointed, in fact I thought it was rather good.

Alex


User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Hi Peter,

Glad you got the Saudi's at Coningsby. Just got back from a day up there myself yesterday. Also you did well if you got one of the Ospreys in one visit. It took me half a dozen trips before I bagged one, and I'm less than an hour away! They should get some more delivered this month and they seem to have got through the maintenance issues now that they had when they first turned up back in June so flying is picking up.

Gary


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