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It's Official: The D7100 Destroys The 70D  
User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7387 times:
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I have noticed any many of the articles I have read re: 70D that the improvements have come to "Live View" (or whatever Canon calls it) and Video, but that the new technology is of no use to someone who shoots down the view finder.

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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7376 times:
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Nikon be kicking butt right now, converting former Canon shooters along the way.


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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Thread starter):
but that the new technology is of no use to someone who shoots down the view finder.

Quite true - don't think anyone, including Canon, claimed otherwise. Essentially its a 7D with an enhanced video capability. May be of no significance to some, but exactly the same could be said of the 5D2 which as a stills camera offered little over the 5D, yet became one of the hottest properties of the time - arguably revolutionary - for film makers.

Of course in the real world, this is an important development. Like it or not, many who shoot professionally are being asked to supply video as well as stills - I've ordered one for this reason (and to provide a 1.6 crop alternative/backup to my 5D3).

Sensor wise, it would seem that Nikon are king of the hill at the moment. But Canon are known to have a range of very high res sensors under field test (in the 40mp+ range). These must be all new in design, so we may find (as is ever the case) that the tables will turn again.

I feel that when claims are made for one make being the "best", there is a sense that other are inadequate. Of course that's not the case. I don't think there's a single production DSLR across all makes which is not "good enough" for 99% of applications. When pixel peeped at 100% you may see differences in the original files, you would generally be very hard pushed to notice the difference in a processed jpg or print except in extreme cases (super high ISO).

Remember, there is a large industry which makes its money largely by trying to make people dissatisfied with what they already own and have been using happily for years.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7215 times:
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Quoting ckw (Reply 2):
Remember, there is a large industry which makes its money largely by trying to make people dissatisfied with what they already own and have been using happily for years.

True. Maybe we should be grateful that Apple don't currently make an iCam.   



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

No Nikon destroys a Canon when one has £4,000 worth of Canon lenses.....  

Nikon bodies have been better for a while now but I doubt Canon will sit back and get left behind. At one time it was the other way round - and likely still is in the lens department. Nikon shooters still don't have a true equivalent of Canon's amazing 70-200 f/4.

The two will always jostle for the number one spot, and customers will always be left with a difficult choice between the two. I tried Nikon once I'd decided to go digital (in 2004) and didn't like the system at all. A few weeks ago I had a play around with a Nikon D3100, and didn't like that either.

The sooner people get of the 'one is better than the other' banter bus the sooner those new to the hobby can start making more sensible decisions based on their own conclusions.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7184 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
No Nikon destroys a Canon when one has £4,000 worth of Canon lenses.....

Being heavily invested in Canon lenses didn't stop three of my friends from switching. Resale value still allows one to make the switch without takng a much of a hit.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
Nikon shooters still don't have a true equivalent of Canon's amazing 70-200 f/4.

Canon shooters don't have the equivalent of Nikon's 14-24 f/2.8, the crown jewel of landscape lenses.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
The sooner people get of the 'one is better than the other' banter bus the sooner those new to the hobby can start making more sensible decisions based on their own conclusions.


The only people I see up in arms over one is better than the other as bragging rights are defensive Canon shooters.  

People are finding one to be better than the other according to their own conclusions and needs. Colin is right. Just because one has the edge over the other right now doesn't mean the other is inadequate. But right now, especially for landscape photographers, who I think make up the majority of hobbist/pro-sumer photographers, Nikon offers the better option based on specs very important to landscape photography. It's not really about bragging rights.

But at the end of the day, especially for aviation photography, any modern DSLR will do the job regardless of brand.



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7166 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
Nikon shooters still don't have a true equivalent of Canon's amazing 70-200 f/4.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/70-200mm-f4.htm

I prefer a 2.8, but there has been a /4 option for a year.


User currently offlinesovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2590 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7143 times:
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Quoting ckw (Reply 2):
but exactly the same could be said of the 5D2 which as a stills camera offered little over the 5D

I don't think so...it nearly doubled the resolution. While megapixels alone are sometimes simply a gimmick it made a huge difference in how much you can crop from he 5D2. The quality and noise was virtually identical as on the 5D1

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 4):
Nikon shooters still don't have a true equivalent of Canon's amazing 70-200 f/4.

Or the 100-400 . The 200-400 is nice but extremely expensive


User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

Have you seen the laughable buffer of the D7100? This camera destroys nothing. We Nikon shooter envy the Canon shooters for the 70D and more so for the 7dII.

User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting sovietjet (Reply 7):
I don't think so...it nearly doubled the resolution.

Well yes, and that is a plus if you want to crop - but IMHO image quality wasn't quite as good as the original 5d at base ISO. I don't think that was the big driver to upgrade though. It was the filmmakers that made it difficult to get your hands on one when it was released.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
The only people I see up in arms over one is better than the other as bragging rights are defensive Canon shooters

I'm a Canon shooter - but Canon gear is getting me exactly the shots I want. Is that not what it's all about? If Nikon was so much better for what I need I'd ditch Canon and invest in Nikon. Spending money on a Nikon isn't going to get me a shot of a Druk Air 319 - but investing that money wisely in a trip to Bhutan will.

Horses for courses. People tend to delve far too deeply into the finer details when all that really matters is how the thing performs in your particular field. These online reviews/comparisons are of little value as there are way too many parameters involved. If it gets the shot you want, who cares if it's badged Canon or Nikon? Go shoot with it; if you like it, keep it.

If you're a crap photographer, neither brand is going to help; on the flip side, if you're a good photographer, either brand will get you the stunning images you want.

This whole 'N vs. C' thing gets silly at times.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7125 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10):
I'm a Canon shooter

I know you are, and you're coming off as defensive.   Because...

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10):
If Nikon was so much better for what I need I'd ditch Canon and invest in Nikon.
THIS is exactly what is happening for a lot of photographers out there. This isn't such a macho game as you think it is, Karl. Right now, Nikon sells gear that better suits some photographers. It's ok!

I'm a Canon shooter, too, and I don't feel the personal need to switch. But I'm ok saying Nikon has an edge right now.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):
But I'm ok saying Nikon has an edge right now

Because, where bodies are concerned, it undoubtedly does. Doesn't make my 50D feel inferior though.

If I was doing landscape I would probably notice the differences, but in aviation I think it's far too slight.

I'm comfortable with my gear. There'll always be better out there (lots of Canon stuff is better than what I currently have) but it doesn't make me feel inferior and cause me to go on the defensive.

I'm in no way getting defensive - I'm simply pointing out that this whole 'C vs. N' argument is futile and proves nothing conclusively. Is anyone really bothered that someone else might have a better camera than them? Does it matter? Will a new Nikon make me a better photographer? No on three counts me-thinks.

Karl


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7056 times:
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Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
Because, where bodies are concerned, it undoubtedly does. Doesn't make my 50D feel inferior though.

Who says it does??


Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
If I was doing landscape I would probably notice the differences, but in aviation I think it's far too slight.

Agreed. It's less of a concern for someone only interested in photographing airplanes.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
I'm comfortable with my gear.

Good for you. I'm content with my Canon gear as well.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
There'll always be better out there (lots of Canon stuff is better than what I currently have) but it doesn't make me feel inferior and cause me to go on the defensive.

Then why do you keep going on the defensive by reiterating this "inferior" nonsense?

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
I'm simply pointing out that this whole 'C vs. N' argument is futile and proves nothing conclusively.

What should it prove? All that is being said is Nikon's latest releases are currently more attractive to many photographers.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
Is anyone really bothered that someone else might have a better camera than them?

I'm not. Not sure how that applies here.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
Does it matter?

No.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 12):
Will a new Nikon make me a better photographer?

Who has claimed that your gear determines your ability as a photographer?

[Edited 2013-08-29 12:38:49]


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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

I would be saying the same if the title read, "Canon 100D destroys Nikon D3100". It's misleading for anyone not entirely clued up on what's what.

User currently offlinegranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6937 times:
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Hello

I may be ordering a 70D soon but that review does not put me off.
I'm not keen on the green cast.

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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6919 times:
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Quoting sovietjet (Reply 7):
Or the 100-400

The 100-400 is an ancient, dust-pumper design. Try this on:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-400mm.htm


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6901 times:

Full disclosure. Yes, Canon user.

That being said, is it just me, or it this whole thread about N being better than C based on the fact (or opinion, your call) that a review claimed that the middle of the pack Crop D7100 is better than the middle of the pack Crop 70d?

Last time I checked, the Canon 1DX kicks the s*** out of everything.

Buy and shoot what you want. That's what I say.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6891 times:
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):

This thread started that way, and I suspect the OP was doing a little trolling in which case he has succeeded in getting some riled up.

But the point subsequently made is that Nikon overall is releasing new camera bodies that are out scoring the equivalent Canon releases and thus attracting many to the Nikon system. It's not a big deal and not really a point that needs to be obsessed about.

But I also agree with your 1Dx assessment.



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User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

There is another headline that could be used with the DXO review:

"The highest rated APS-C sensor from Canon"

So, if you're a Canon user, you shouldn't be disappointed.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 18):
he has succeeded in getting some riled up

I don't see anyone getting riled up. Nikon produces better bodies generally at the minute - that's fact - what's there to get riled up about?

As long as everyone's getting the images they desire it's irrelevant. What I'm saying is that these online reviews are not 100% reliable, and even when they are the test conditions never include aviation. I like to test a camera personally before I go making assumptions. Had I listened to the bad stuff said about the 50D in the beginning I'd likely have missed out on the second-best camera I've ever owned (and I've owned a few)!

Nikon will work for some, Canon for others.

Karl


User currently offlineDehowie From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 1057 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Maybe i should put up a post 1Dx slaughters poor old Nikon D4 which suffers from poor AF,poor QC and heavy glass which gets murdered by its big white super sharp and 30% lighter competition..
Then we could start a real slanging match about real cameras and real lenses...
Or we could compare the 200-400 with the now what appears very shabby Nikon competition by comparison.
But hey what fun is that showing Canon now make zooms with built in TC's sharper than Nikon can make a prime..


http://photographylife.com/nikon-dslr-autofocus-problems

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/42435489



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User currently offlinemegatop412 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

What a ridiculous, self-righteous thread title. The D7100 does not 'destroy' what looks to be a very nice Canon body. And I say that as a Nikon shooter.

User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

I have both N and C, I use a 50D (2nd hand) for aviation and D7000 for everything else. Picturewise, i like the Nikon better but body and handling, I like the Canon more. Also, there is no 70-200f4L equivalent for under $600 in Nikon line up which I enjoy with my 50D.

User currently onlineReffado From Brazil, joined Feb 2012, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Honestly, there is a hype over new releases that I can't understand. Sure, if you need or feel you have to change or upgrade, go ahead. But I have been using my D7000 since it came out (what, two years ago?) and it's just fine. I mean, sure the D7100 or the 70D may be better, but not enough has changed to justify a system switch or even an eventual upgrade, IMHO.

25 Silver1SWA : The hype is coming from landscape photographers who over the last 12 months have seen new releases from Nikon that have insane dynamic range and high
26 ckw : That's the thing - very few people take an overall view of the product, they look at it from a perspective of how they will use it, and since they're
27 trvyyz : One thing I don't get is most serious shooters preferring a good crop DSLR want a D400 or a 7DMKII, but these guys keep putting out half cooked bodies
28 angad84 : That makes two of us. Canon has saturated the ≤$1000 market with everything from Rebels to xxD bodies and now mirrorless. The 7D has been around fo
29 JakTrax : I'll wait and see for myself rather than swallow Canon's marketing claims. 20+ megapixels on a 1.6x FOVCF body is an awful lot and I'd be surprised i
30 Silver1SWA : This is true. However, there is always a trade off when looking into camera bodies. Image quality is most important to some, features are more import
31 JakTrax : I really hope Canon have injected innovation into their latest sensors but they've been pretty stagnant in that department for a few years now. I'm l
32 angad84 : Going by DXO's testing, which is usually objective, it has a significant edge over the 50D, especially if one compares them at similar resolutions (i
33 Post contains images JakTrax : Yes, but DXO's testing isn't my testing. It's irrelevant who the product pleases if it doesn't please me. That's why I always consider the only true
34 ckw : I'd say quite the opposite - investing in sensor fabrication (and effectively inventing a usable CMOS sensor) is what gave Canon a massive edge over
35 JakTrax : Exactly the way I look at it. Perhaps 'resting on laurels' is just a cover for a new technology development? After all, if you're still commanding a
36 ckw : Probably not - as it ever was, the real limit is the photographer. Plus whatever the bench test results, these are a long way from what is achieved i
37 angad84 : Ok, but short of buying/renting and testing oneself, surely sites like DXO/DPReview etc provide a good way to judge products before buying? Um, no. D
38 ckw : Yes - but someone has to pay for that tech (ie. you and me!) Take the case of the 1Dx - more than 2x the cost of the 5D3. Will it take 2x as good pic
39 angad84 : If the market supports it, it will be produced. If not, it won't. Cheers Angad
40 JakTrax : Um, yes, because without a lens you don't get an image. It's no good having a wonderful camera if the lenses you have can't make the most of the reso
41 angad84 : Then I'm not sure what the point of this discussion is. This thread is, by its very nature, a discussion about third-party testing. Cheers Angad
42 ckw : And 3rd party testing has a value. But I would no more buy a camera based on the DXo rating of its sensor than I would buy a car based purely on the p
43 JakTrax : This is very true. Statistics can be helpful as a guide but they very often discount other factors necessary to emulate real-world situations. A clea
44 darreno1 : Sure, specs are not everything, but if I'm going to shell out for a body, I'm going to get the most for my money. I'm also going to consider my option
45 Post contains images angad84 : Of course not, or we'd all be running around with D800s! While I wouldn't go so far as to say "never", I am with you on this. When I was getting star
46 vikkyvik : In general, I'd be more worried about the reverse. When I had my cheap Rebel XS body, getting high-quality lenses made a world of difference, even wi
47 darreno1 : I went from a D40 to D3100 to a D7000 and I can't say I've ever run into sharpness or quality issues on properly focused shots. Plus the higher end b
48 vikkyvik : I didn't have a problem. Cheap lenses produced decent results. Expensive lenses produced great results. My only point was that I've never been concer
49 clickhappy : With a fast card, the D7100 has the same buffer capability as the 70D. Still laughing?
50 JakTrax : Yes, because it really doesn't matter. What next for this thread? "My dad can beat up your dad......" It's clear to me that both the D7100 and 70D ar
51 angad84 : Yep. As long as your lens outresolves your sensor, you're golden. Cheers Angad
52 gunone : I own one of these and a D7000, now my backup camera. I purchased it for two reasons. 1. The number of pixels I can get using FX format. 2. consistenc
53 Post contains links Dehowie : Mmm not many black lenses here..lol.. http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...-Womens-Final.html?ref=tennis&_r=0 Guess that DR advantage doesnt mea
54 Silver1SWA : Uhhhhhhh, yeah. DR advantage is basically irrelevant to sports photography. Light lenses and accurate AF doesn't mean much when on a tripod using man
55 clickhappy : Plenty of black lenses in that photo. Are you the Canon shooter with the teal shirt and camo bucket hat (looks like he has both!)?[Edited 2013-09-09 1
56 Post contains images dvincent : I'll just keep trucking over here with the a99 and the 70-400.
57 harlequin67 : My view on this whole NvC debate is this, Nikon produce some of the finest bodies I have seen. They feel great when handled, well built. On the Canon
58 Silver1SWA : And vice versa...
59 Post contains links granite : Hello Well my 70D and accessories have now been ordered. Should receive in the next day or two. Just in time for the Autumn season, always great light
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