PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 90 Posted (11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12595 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW COMMUNITY MANAGER
Demand Media are looking to trial a new photo print and merchandise sales product that they seek to make available to the photographer community on an "Opt In" basis only.
We understand it has been quite sometime since this sort of service has been offered by the site and we are therefore seeking your feedback and input so Demand Media can further investigate the integration of this service to the Airliners.net photographer community.
Some key points;
- It will be on an "Opt-In" basis which means you have the choice to participate or not.
- The service will provide you with the choice of products that you offer for sale. This could be framed prints, iPad covers, iPhone covers and many other merchandise options
- You set your price and choose which photos that you wish to sell. There is a cost of providing the product and shipping but you determine your own profit margin by having full pricing flexibility over the product you offer.
- You will notice at this stage that the website is called www.society6.com and this site is owned by Demand Media.
As you can see we have set up some accounts but we would appreciate that you take a look at these and review them so that we can gain your valuable feedback and insights into how best to integrate this unique opportunity into the Airliners.net site.
angad84 From India, joined Nov 2012, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11970 times:
Quoting Elmdon (Reply 2): lets say someone orders a 28" x 20" of a 1200px photo
I might be wrong, but I don't think its directly tied to anyone's A.net account (yet).
It seems the folks above that have opted in have uploaded hi-res images to Society6 directly and made appropriate print options available to customers.
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): we are therefore seeking your feedback and input so Demand Media can further investigate the integration of this service to the Airliners.net photographer community.
This suggests that Demand Media would like us to have a look at the Society6 system and see if it's worth integrating into A.net directly, which is where the 1200px & large print thing would become an issue, although I am sure they will work around that.
It has been a long and sorely missing link on the site. I used to participate in the old program but it was a far cry from this.
I like what i see. It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6414 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11891 times:
Quoting eksath (Reply 3): I like what i see. It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).
Indeed, it'd be a great addition; and one which would be needed in order to attract sales. The good thing about a site like this is that the amount of traffic or potential views is very high compared to an individual website.
But as mentioned above, the size issue might be of some concern.. Of course there's always room to upload larger images but I suppose that'd have to be made on the other website so linking the photo on A.Net directly to this new photo (because of course you'd want a 'buy now' type link to go directly to that one image rather than opening up a gallery of potentially hundreds of photos) might be a bit troublesome.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11783 times:
I like the idea. Few of us participate in this hobby for financial gain but it's always nice to make a few quid to put back into our photography (or to assist with ever-rising fuel costs involved in getting to/from airports).
It could also go some way towards easing those pesky, "Can I have a high-res photo for personal use" emails!
granite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11707 times:
I have an account too and I think it depends on the upload size of the image, the software calculates what size you have uploaded and chooses the sizes for sale. It won't let you order a 28" x 28" image with a 1200 pixel uploaded image.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 90
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11522 times:
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Quoting angad84 (Reply 2): I might be wrong, but I don't think its directly tied to anyone's A.net account (yet).
That is correct, it is not tied to anyone Airliners.net account as of yet.
Quoting angad84 (Reply 2): This suggests that Demand Media would like us to have a look at the Society6 system and see if it's worth integrating into A.net directly, which is where the 1200px & large print thing would become an issue, although I am sure they will work around that.
Again you are correct, we'd like you to have a look and even open an account as the more that Demand Media have to work with the better for them to be able to integrate the two sites in a way which best suits your needs.
Quoting eksath (Reply 3): It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).
This is being investigated and given the sheer volume of traffic that Airliners.net generates it could well be that a special area on Society6 is created just for Airliners.net photographers who choose to opt in. That way visitors from Airliners.net would be directed specifically to your images and profiles.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 4): (because of course you'd want a 'buy now' type link to go directly to that one image rather than opening up a gallery of potentially hundreds of photos)
That is a good point and if you look under each photo there is room for a link to be placed to buy the shot which I have advised Demand Media to do.
Quoting cmorton (Reply 6): However would you ever sell anything? How many people will be wanting to purchase such items?
Yes you would make sales as Society6 is by no means a small website, in fact it's huge. We frequently get requests from general visitors asking how they can purchase a copy of a photo and we put them in touch with the respective photographer. Again, due to the traffic on Airliners.net there are many who are interested in buying copies of your photos.
Quoting cmorton (Reply 6): Also is there any costs involved for us to use the service?
Currently the only cost to you is what it costs to open a PayPal account if you don't have one. The cost of the product you sell is clearly defined on Society6 as is the profit you set for yourself. It's very transparent.
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7): The nose is clipped off, but I uploaded it in the correct width and height. Is that only the example picture? Will the picture be fully visible when in production or how does this work?
I see your point and as we discussed on chat I've looked into it and as it's an iPhone cover I believe it wraps around the side of the actual cover too which is why it looks the way it does. That said I have asked Demand Media for clarification.
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 9): Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):
Hence my point about needing multiple versions of any specific image.
Yes, you need to upload them with different sizes. The exact px are written in the upload formular. But even then, parts are clipped of and it looks weird.
Thank you for pointing that out and again I have asked Demand Media for clarification.
Quoting granite (Reply 10): I have an account too and I think it depends on the upload size of the image, the software calculates what size you have uploaded and chooses the sizes for sale. It won't let you order a 28" x 28" image with a 1200 pixel uploaded image.
Maybe Paul can clarify?
That's right Gary at the moment, until the sites are integrated, one would have to upload on Society6 the correct sized image as specified by them for the product you wish to offer.
I thank you all for your input and encourage those who are interested to open a Society6 account to "get a feel" for the service and how it works. Demand Media are watching this thread and listening so that the best outcome for you can be determined.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11463 times:
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Would this new service be only for new uploads or would current uploads be accepted also?
In regards to the different size requirements for uploading, if you uploaded a photo with a 6500 x 6500 size requirement for the largest throw pillow, could that size photo also be used for other uploads like iPhone skins, Ipad covers etc?
JohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11458 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 12): could that size photo also be used for other uploads like iPhone skins, Ipad covers etc?
That would be preferable, as it is now you need to provide separate images for separate products. With iPad/iPhone covers it's trial and error with placement due to camera cut outs etc so a generic image for all wont work.
It could work if there was a positioning tool for such products, a bit like the cover photo on Facebook.
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wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11370 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11): I see your point and as we discussed on chat I've looked into it and as it's an iPhone cover I believe it wraps around the side of the actual cover too which is why it looks the way it does.
Yes it does wrap around. But still a bit is clipped off. Check on that picture here:
You can see a large version of the side of the iPhone cover (link below the promoted prompt) and you see that there is still a bit clipped off as you cannot see the whole nose of the airplane. It basically clipps off the 'O' in Lufthansa Cargo.
derekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11362 times:
Would it not be better to try out a section for just prints and moderate enlargements (10x8 or so), see how it goes before launching into ipad trinkets and suchlike?
As far setting your own price, how is that going to work? One of the questions that comes up repeatedly is how much to charge for a photo? Personally I have no idea how much to charge for a print so I would end up setting a price that was similar to what everyone else chose , or perhaps undercut everyone
By way of a loss-leader, set a price, fairly modest and test the market.
We've waited a long time for this, we should try and get it right.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4138 posts, RR: 90
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11084 times:
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Quoting derekf (Reply 15): As far setting your own price, how is that going to work?
That is entirely up to you should you choose to opt in. It may also depend on the product. For example an iPhone cover is relatively common and readily available in most stores so a mark up past the $20 mark or so is not likely to appeal too much unless a true Avgeek is the buyer.
Quoting derekf (Reply 15): One of the questions that comes up repeatedly is how much to charge for a photo?
That's a good point but Society6 appeals more to the consumer market and not necessarily the media, advertising or corporate market which is where photographers seem to ask for the most advice on pricing based on what we see asked in this forum with the following being a good example;
That said I've no doubt that once this is up and running that those sectors will take a look to see what is on offer.
Quoting derekf (Reply 15): By way of a loss-leader, set a price, fairly modest and test the market.
Personally I would not go so far as to set a loss leader price because a lot needs to be taken into consideration on a case by case basis for each photographer, for example;
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5): Few of us participate in this hobby for financial gain but it's always nice to make a few quid to put back into our photography (or to assist with ever-rising fuel costs involved in getting to/from airports).
That's a very good point and if Karl doesn't mind I'd like to point out that so many of you invest a lot of your hard earned money in your equipment and maintaining it. I do recall when Karl bought a new lens and how he worked with Canon until he was satisfied the lens was up to his standards. The average viewer of an image has no idea of just how much time and effort a photographer puts into their gear and that should, or could, also be a factor in determining price. Though as Karl correctly points out most aren't in it for financial gain but because it's their chosen hobby. Anything that can be earned is a bonus and this is a way to do so on your own terms.
derekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10888 times:
These seem to be very expensive. $15 to $20 for a 10x8 "art" print? Photobox charge $2 for a 10x8. OK you'll have shipping on top of that but it seems that Society6 have missed the point.
I thought Airliners.net prints were just 6x4 or 5x7 prints of photos you liked on the database. That sort of market isn't going to pay $20 for a 10x8 "art print". $5 at an absolute maximum I would say. Let's hope that will be an option.
ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 731 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10874 times:
I think the prices are fair when you look at the materials used - much higher quality than Photobox. But I take Derek's point, these are probably not the sort of prints most enthusiasts/collectors want.
I suspect there is a place for both types of product ... prints you file in albums, and "special" prints you hang on the wall ... but I would think the much bigger market is for the cheaper product which does not appear to be on offer.
Asuspine From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10742 times:
Its a good idea to link both websites but the photo would still be required to uploaded to society6.com in five different sizes. Some photos may require readjustments for correct framing or else they may not appeal anyone.
Society6 may also be modified to include 'Aviation' to the 33 existing categories. I have also noticed that there is no option to add relevant tags the photo added and thus it may be omitted from search.
Quoting HAMSpotter (Reply 20): I just added my first photo to try it out. Looks good for the beginning!
Thank you for opening an account Christian and it's a good one. It's good that you've also chosen to offer more than one product too. I see you have picked up two followers and once Demand Media promote the service on the site I've no doubt you'll receive more and hopefully meet with some success on the sales front.
Quoting derekf (Reply 21): I thought Airliners.net prints were just 6x4 or 5x7 prints of photos you liked on the database.
The prints you reference are from our previous service from 5 years ago and we will not be using the cheapest service possible such as Photobox. Society6 is for a different demographic who wish to purchase just more than a print as they offer a whole range of merchandise options too. The costs for these, as Colin noted, are higher and of better quality than Photobox.
Quoting ckw (Reply 22): I suspect there is a place for both types of product ... prints you file in albums, and "special" prints you hang on the wall ... but I would think the much bigger market is for the cheaper product which does not appear to be on offer.
That is a valid point and your feedback has been passed onto Demand Media to see if Society6 will be able to offer the cheaper product. But at this point Society6 is a premium service by comparison to Photobox but neither is it the most expensive service, it's the middle market demographic that uses Society6.
Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23): Its a good idea to link both websites but the photo would still be required to uploaded to society6.com in five different sizes. Some photos may require readjustments for correct framing or else they may not appeal anyone.
At the moment that is a fair assessment which is why the initial approach from Demand Media is to offer the service on an "opt in" basis. Your C-17 looks fantastic and thank you too for opening an account.
Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23): Society6 may also be modified to include 'Aviation' to the 33 existing categories.
We have asked that aviation be added to the categories as there is room for it to be placed.
Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23): I have also noticed that there is no option to add relevant tags the photo added and thus it may be omitted from search.
I have raised this point with Demand Media for you and to add for search there may well be a special Airliners.net landing page and area on Society6 where one will be able to search Airliners.net content and photographer names only.
Thank you all for your feedback, especially those who have opened accounts. Demand Media continue to look at integrating the sites as best as possible for your benefit and we encourage more of you to open accounts if you would like to as it will give them more to work off.
Thanks and regards
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: Despite having asked about the photo print service frequently since it was withdrawn years ago, I don't think what is now being set up is what was nee
: I agree with Derekf (reply 25). Include me out.
: That is your decision to make, no doubt. But consider that it just has started for the a.net community and most just gave their constructive feedback
: And what is missing is what was actually wanted. Instead we get a "middle-market" over-priced product. I'm happy to be proved wrong when I see the sa
: Thank you very much! Sadly still no sales...
: Thanks for your feedback and as Phil noted it is your decision to make which we respect. We are asking for feedback and appreciate what we've receive
: Paul, do you get detailed statistics about the sales, such as what type of images seem to be popular so far? Whether it be normal shots, A2As, window
: Hi Nicholas, As it currently is you would get detailed financial statistics on your sales which would also list exactly what merchandise you have sol
: Do the photo sales of this service with Society6 have to reflect the same images as we have in the database with Airliners.net? In other words, can we
: As you've seen the ideal solution would be for all your images to be able to be available immediately on Society6 but the file sizes are proving to b
: Plus one more account from Anet user - I've opened my collection as well. Here it is: http://society6.com/Fyodor_Borisov Most of shots are not from my
: I've been wanting to try it aswell, but never got around to it. Until today. Most of what I noticed has been mentioned before; The size issues sometim
: What do you mean as 'dead space'? Btw, excellent shots, as always.[Edited 2013-10-19 11:39:36]
: Thanks Fyodor You too of course, it's nice to see some photos that aren't in the DB. I took into account that for some photos, part of the aircraft wo
: Best part of my collection. Sadly it is not here [Edited 2013-10-19 12:46:21][Edited 2013-10-19 12:48:47]
: Hello Got my first sale through Society 6. Medium sized print. Regards Gary Watt - Granite Airliners.net Head Screener www.airliners.net http://twitte
: > Got my first sale through Society 6 Aviation or not?
: Hello Kulverstukas Aviation. Regards Gary Watt - Granite Airliners.net Head Screener www.airliners.net http://twitter.com/airliners_net
: Congratulations, Gary [Edited 2013-10-25 08:46:39]
: Will I ever see the £6 I made from print sales? I've asked for a PayPal payout but nothing yet.
: Did you see sellers FAQs on their site?
: That's a good account thanks Fyodor and as you can see you're able to upload what you wish in addition to your aviation photos. Thanks too for openin
: I'll try to upload some more aviation photos. I wouldn't mind my account getting linked.
: Sure you might also feature my account! By the way, I just uploaded a new photo yesterday! http://society6.com/ChrischMue/Into-the-setting-sun_Print
: Thank you both airkas1 and HAMSpotter I shall contact you via your emails to arrange this. Regards Paul
: I've opened an account aswell and wouldn't mind if you want to use it for promotion. http://society6.com/Luamax I would like to have the option to ad
: Thank you, been waiting to hear from Demand Media on a few issues but it's proving harder to integrate the two sites than they thought. Those who hav
: Hi, you should have received an email explaining how this will be promoted and that DM are looking to start promoting your accounts under each photo
: @PanAm_DC10: I didn't receive any mail by now...
: I haven't received any email from you, Paul.
: Hi Paul, I would like to open an account too, please instruct how to do that, thanks!
: Hi powwwiii, just go to https://society6.com/register and register for the Society6! Cheers, Christian.
: Hi, I am sorry for the delay but I have been waiting on further guidance from Demand Media and finally have some so I am in a position to write to yo
: Hi Paul I have an account too. Cheers William
: Any news? Didn't hear anything by now...[Edited 2014-03-11 07:36:02]
: Good news: The society 6 aviation shots are now promoted under an airliners picture. Good work by Paul! Bad news: Around the web is still there. So th
: How is this going? Has anyone sold anything? How is it different is it from an account such as Zenfolio (which has no acceptance crtieria)? According
: Why do I keep seeing that there has been a reply from Panam_DC10 but when I look at the thread there is no reply? I thought maybe that someone had res
: The same I have noticed every now and then during the past weeks with other postings in this thread as well. Perhaps there is something wrong in the s