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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Posted (7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11637 times:
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Hello All,

Demand Media are looking to trial a new photo print and merchandise sales product that they seek to make available to the photographer community on an "Opt In" basis only.

We understand it has been quite sometime since this sort of service has been offered by the site and we are therefore seeking your feedback and input so Demand Media can further investigate the integration of this service to the Airliners.net photographer community.

Some key points;

- It will be on an "Opt-In" basis which means you have the choice to participate or not.
- The service will provide you with the choice of products that you offer for sale. This could be framed prints, iPad covers, iPhone covers and many other merchandise options
- You set your price and choose which photos that you wish to sell. There is a cost of providing the product and shipping but you determine your own profit margin by having full pricing flexibility over the product you offer.
- You will notice at this stage that the website is called www.society6.com and this site is owned by Demand Media.
- You retain the Copyright to your photos at all times and you can check the Terms of Use at the following link: http://society6.com/help/terms

Here are some example accounts;

http://society6.com/JasonWood777
http://society6.com/PaulMcCarthy
http://society6.com/KazuchikaNaya
http://society6.com/MehdiPhotos

As you can see we have set up some accounts but we would appreciate that you take a look at these and review them so that we can gain your valuable feedback and insights into how best to integrate this unique opportunity into the Airliners.net site.

We thank you in advance for your assistance

Best regards

Paul


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User currently offlineElmdon From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

The first thing that springs to mind for me is lets say someone orders a 28" x 20" of a 1200px photo, obviously the quality won't be there for such a large print, what will happen then?

Elmdon

[Edited 2013-08-29 12:44:34]

User currently offlineangad84 From India, joined Nov 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11011 times:

Quoting Elmdon (Reply 2):
lets say someone orders a 28" x 20" of a 1200px photo

I might be wrong, but I don't think its directly tied to anyone's A.net account (yet).

It seems the folks above that have opted in have uploaded hi-res images to Society6 directly and made appropriate print options available to customers.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
we are therefore seeking your feedback and input so Demand Media can further investigate the integration of this service to the Airliners.net photographer community.

This suggests that Demand Media would like us to have a look at the Society6 system and see if it's worth integrating into A.net directly, which is where the 1200px & large print thing would become an issue, although I am sure they will work around that.

Personally, I like the idea.

Cheers
Angad


User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10938 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
We thank you in advance for your assistance

Best regards

Paul

At first glance, this sound good and looks good.

It has been a long and sorely missing link on the site. I used to participate in the old program but it was a far cry from this.

I like what i see. It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).

Thanks for doing this.



Suresh



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6335 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

Quoting eksath (Reply 3):
I like what i see. It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).

Indeed, it'd be a great addition; and one which would be needed in order to attract sales. The good thing about a site like this is that the amount of traffic or potential views is very high compared to an individual website.

But as mentioned above, the size issue might be of some concern.. Of course there's always room to upload larger images but I suppose that'd have to be made on the other website so linking the photo on A.Net directly to this new photo (because of course you'd want a 'buy now' type link to go directly to that one image rather than opening up a gallery of potentially hundreds of photos) might be a bit troublesome.



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User currently onlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

I like the idea. Few of us participate in this hobby for financial gain but it's always nice to make a few quid to put back into our photography (or to assist with ever-rising fuel costs involved in getting to/from airports).

It could also go some way towards easing those pesky, "Can I have a high-res photo for personal use" emails!

Karl


User currently offlinecmorton From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

It sounds like a good Idea; However would you ever sell anything? How many people will be wanting to purchase such items? Also is there any costs involved for us to use the service?

User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8899 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10769 times:
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I signed up for it as well. I never really made money with my pictures, only every once in a while I received a request, but that was a max of 5 times total.

What I was wondering. If you take a look at this item:

http://society6.com/wilco737/Beauitf...Douglas-MD11-Freighter_iPhone-Case

The nose is clipped off, but I uploaded it in the correct width and height. Is that only the example picture? Will the picture be fully visible when in production or how does this work?

Many thanks.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12032 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10763 times:
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This does sound like a great idea.

But I do have some concerns. Presumably, we would need to ensure that we had a range of sizes & resolutions for each picture to cover the various products?

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):
The nose is clipped off, but I uploaded it in the correct width and height.

Hence my point about needing multiple versions of any specific image.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8899 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 10762 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):
Hence my point about needing multiple versions of any specific image.

Yes, you need to upload them with different sizes. The exact px are written in the upload formular. But even then, parts are clipped of and it looks weird.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinegranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10748 times:
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Hello

I have an account too and I think it depends on the upload size of the image, the software calculates what size you have uploaded and chooses the sizes for sale. It won't let you order a 28" x 28" image with a 1200 pixel uploaded image.

Maybe Paul can clarify?

Regards

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 11, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10563 times:
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Quoting angad84 (Reply 2):
I might be wrong, but I don't think its directly tied to anyone's A.net account (yet).

That is correct, it is not tied to anyone Airliners.net account as of yet.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 2):
This suggests that Demand Media would like us to have a look at the Society6 system and see if it's worth integrating into A.net directly, which is where the 1200px & large print thing would become an issue, although I am sure they will work around that.

Again you are correct, we'd like you to have a look and even open an account as the more that Demand Media have to work with the better for them to be able to integrate the two sites in a way which best suits your needs.

Quoting eksath (Reply 3):
It would be nice if a button or prominent link shows up next to the pictures in the database to announce that this feature is available for those pictures (i presume you already have that on your radar).

This is being investigated and given the sheer volume of traffic that Airliners.net generates it could well be that a special area on Society6 is created just for Airliners.net photographers who choose to opt in. That way visitors from Airliners.net would be directed specifically to your images and profiles.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 4):
(because of course you'd want a 'buy now' type link to go directly to that one image rather than opening up a gallery of potentially hundreds of photos)

That is a good point and if you look under each photo there is room for a link to be placed to buy the shot which I have advised Demand Media to do.

Quoting cmorton (Reply 6):
However would you ever sell anything? How many people will be wanting to purchase such items?

Yes you would make sales as Society6 is by no means a small website, in fact it's huge. We frequently get requests from general visitors asking how they can purchase a copy of a photo and we put them in touch with the respective photographer. Again, due to the traffic on Airliners.net there are many who are interested in buying copies of your photos.

Quoting cmorton (Reply 6):
Also is there any costs involved for us to use the service?

Currently the only cost to you is what it costs to open a PayPal account if you don't have one. The cost of the product you sell is clearly defined on Society6 as is the profit you set for yourself. It's very transparent.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 7):
The nose is clipped off, but I uploaded it in the correct width and height. Is that only the example picture? Will the picture be fully visible when in production or how does this work?

I see your point and as we discussed on chat I've looked into it and as it's an iPhone cover I believe it wraps around the side of the actual cover too which is why it looks the way it does. That said I have asked Demand Media for clarification.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 9):
Quoting scbriml (Reply 8):
Hence my point about needing multiple versions of any specific image.

Yes, you need to upload them with different sizes. The exact px are written in the upload formular. But even then, parts are clipped of and it looks weird.

Thank you for pointing that out and again I have asked Demand Media for clarification.

Quoting granite (Reply 10):
I have an account too and I think it depends on the upload size of the image, the software calculates what size you have uploaded and chooses the sizes for sale. It won't let you order a 28" x 28" image with a 1200 pixel uploaded image.

Maybe Paul can clarify?

That's right Gary at the moment, until the sites are integrated, one would have to upload on Society6 the correct sized image as specified by them for the product you wish to offer.

I thank you all for your input and encourage those who are interested to open a Society6 account to "get a feel" for the service and how it works. Demand Media are watching this thread and listening so that the best outcome for you can be determined.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11846 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10505 times:
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Would this new service be only for new uploads or would current uploads be accepted also?

In regards to the different size requirements for uploading, if you uploaded a photo with a 6500 x 6500 size requirement for the largest throw pillow, could that size photo also be used for other uploads like iPhone skins, Ipad covers etc?


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1397 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10500 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
could that size photo also be used for other uploads like iPhone skins, Ipad covers etc?

That would be preferable, as it is now you need to provide separate images for separate products. With iPad/iPhone covers it's trial and error with placement due to camera cut outs etc so a generic image for all wont work.
It could work if there was a positioning tool for such products, a bit like the cover photo on Facebook.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8899 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10412 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
I see your point and as we discussed on chat I've looked into it and as it's an iPhone cover I believe it wraps around the side of the actual cover too which is why it looks the way it does.

Yes it does wrap around. But still a bit is clipped off. Check on that picture here:

http://society6.com/wilco737/Beauitf...Douglas-MD11-Freighter_iPhone-Case

You can see a large version of the side of the iPhone cover (link below the promoted prompt) and you see that there is still a bit clipped off as you cannot see the whole nose of the airplane. It basically clipps off the 'O' in Lufthansa Cargo.

Thanks.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Would it not be better to try out a section for just prints and moderate enlargements (10x8 or so), see how it goes before launching into ipad trinkets and suchlike?

As far setting your own price, how is that going to work? One of the questions that comes up repeatedly is how much to charge for a photo? Personally I have no idea how much to charge for a print so I would end up setting a price that was similar to what everyone else chose , or perhaps undercut everyone  

By way of a loss-leader, set a price, fairly modest and test the market.

We've waited a long time for this, we should try and get it right.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1397 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10385 times:
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Quoting wilco737 (Reply 14):

If that cockpit iPad case will fit the iPad 5 I am getting one   



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8899 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10291 times:
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Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 16):
If that cockpit iPad case will fit the iPad 5 I am getting one   

iPad 5? Another one? it is like the iPhone. Looking forward to your order 

As Paul said, there seem to add more features, more phones or other options. It is just the beginning of the product, but so far it is a good start - not perfect, but it will be worked on.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 18, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10125 times:
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Quoting derekf (Reply 15):
As far setting your own price, how is that going to work?

That is entirely up to you should you choose to opt in. It may also depend on the product. For example an iPhone cover is relatively common and readily available in most stores so a mark up past the $20 mark or so is not likely to appeal too much unless a true Avgeek is the buyer.

Quoting derekf (Reply 15):
One of the questions that comes up repeatedly is how much to charge for a photo?

That's a good point but Society6 appeals more to the consumer market and not necessarily the media, advertising or corporate market which is where photographers seem to ask for the most advice on pricing based on what we see asked in this forum with the following being a good example;

Selling A Picture Question (by len90 Sep 6 2013 in Aviation Photography)

That said I've no doubt that once this is up and running that those sectors will take a look to see what is on offer.

Quoting derekf (Reply 15):
By way of a loss-leader, set a price, fairly modest and test the market.

Personally I would not go so far as to set a loss leader price because a lot needs to be taken into consideration on a case by case basis for each photographer, for example;

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5):
Few of us participate in this hobby for financial gain but it's always nice to make a few quid to put back into our photography (or to assist with ever-rising fuel costs involved in getting to/from airports).

That's a very good point and if Karl doesn't mind I'd like to point out that so many of you invest a lot of your hard earned money in your equipment and maintaining it. I do recall when Karl bought a new lens and how he worked with Canon until he was satisfied the lens was up to his standards. The average viewer of an image has no idea of just how much time and effort a photographer puts into their gear and that should, or could, also be a factor in determining price. Though as Karl correctly points out most aren't in it for financial gain but because it's their chosen hobby. Anything that can be earned is a bonus and this is a way to do so on your own terms.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinevir380 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

Looks a good idea , as mentioned it has needed something like this for a while.

My only concern is the pricing !
Looks to be a little excessive compared with others .

Regards


User currently offlineHAMSpotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9937 times:

I just added my first photo to try it out. Looks good for the beginning!

http://society6.com/ChrischMue

Now I am interested in seeing if it is really of some interest for somebody!  
Will add some more (aviation related) photos tonight!


User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9930 times:

These seem to be very expensive. $15 to $20 for a 10x8 "art" print? Photobox charge $2 for a 10x8. OK you'll have shipping on top of that but it seems that Society6 have missed the point.
I thought Airliners.net prints were just 6x4 or 5x7 prints of photos you liked on the database. That sort of market isn't going to pay $20 for a 10x8 "art print". $5 at an absolute maximum I would say. Let's hope that will be an option.



Whatever.......
User currently offlineckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 713 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9916 times:

I think the prices are fair when you look at the materials used - much higher quality than Photobox. But I take Derek's point, these are probably not the sort of prints most enthusiasts/collectors want.

I suspect there is a place for both types of product ... prints you file in albums, and "special" prints you hang on the wall ... but I would think the much bigger market is for the cheaper product which does not appear to be on offer.

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineAsuspine From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Its a good idea to link both websites but the photo would still be required to uploaded to society6.com in five different sizes. Some photos may require readjustments for correct framing or else they may not appeal anyone.

http://society6.com/Asuspine/C-17-Globemaster_iPhone-Case

http://society6.com/Asuspine/Aviation-yTF_iPhone-Case

Society6 may also be modified to include 'Aviation' to the 33 existing categories. I have also noticed that there is no option to add relevant tags the photo added and thus it may be omitted from search.

Cheers



HFK
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 24, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9458 times:
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Quoting vir380 (Reply 19):

Thanks for your feedback Tony.

Quoting HAMSpotter (Reply 20):
I just added my first photo to try it out. Looks good for the beginning!

Thank you for opening an account Christian and it's a good one. It's good that you've also chosen to offer more than one product too. I see you have picked up two followers and once Demand Media promote the service on the site I've no doubt you'll receive more and hopefully meet with some success on the sales front.

Quoting derekf (Reply 21):
I thought Airliners.net prints were just 6x4 or 5x7 prints of photos you liked on the database.

The prints you reference are from our previous service from 5 years ago and we will not be using the cheapest service possible such as Photobox. Society6 is for a different demographic who wish to purchase just more than a print as they offer a whole range of merchandise options too. The costs for these, as Colin noted, are higher and of better quality than Photobox.

Quoting ckw (Reply 22):
I suspect there is a place for both types of product ... prints you file in albums, and "special" prints you hang on the wall ... but I would think the much bigger market is for the cheaper product which does not appear to be on offer.

That is a valid point and your feedback has been passed onto Demand Media to see if Society6 will be able to offer the cheaper product. But at this point Society6 is a premium service by comparison to Photobox but neither is it the most expensive service, it's the middle market demographic that uses Society6.

Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23):
Its a good idea to link both websites but the photo would still be required to uploaded to society6.com in five different sizes. Some photos may require readjustments for correct framing or else they may not appeal anyone.

At the moment that is a fair assessment which is why the initial approach from Demand Media is to offer the service on an "opt in" basis. Your C-17 looks fantastic and thank you too for opening an account.

Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23):
Society6 may also be modified to include 'Aviation' to the 33 existing categories.

We have asked that aviation be added to the categories as there is room for it to be placed.


Quoting Asuspine (Reply 23):
I have also noticed that there is no option to add relevant tags the photo added and thus it may be omitted from search.

I have raised this point with Demand Media for you and to add for search there may well be a special Airliners.net landing page and area on Society6 where one will be able to search Airliners.net content and photographer names only.

Thank you all for your feedback, especially those who have opened accounts. Demand Media continue to look at integrating the sites as best as possible for your benefit and we encourage more of you to open accounts if you would like to as it will give them more to work off.

Thanks and regards

Paul.



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User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9405 times:

Despite having asked about the photo print service frequently since it was withdrawn years ago, I don't think what is now being set up is what was needed. The requests I got were for prints that were quick and cheap. It also sounds like a lot of effort on the part of the photographer to upload different sizes and when you have over 2000 photos and no idea which of those may sell, it becomes an impossible and possibly fruitless task.
Sadly, I don't think I'll bother.

Can the dreadfully out-dated link at the bottom of the upload page now be removed?

[Edited 2013-09-21 05:02:06]


Whatever.......
User currently offlineviv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 26, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

I agree with Derekf (reply 25).

Include me out.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8899 posts, RR: 76
Reply 27, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9366 times:
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Quoting derekf (Reply 25):
Sadly, I don't think I'll bother.
Quoting viv (Reply 26):
Include me out.

That is your decision to make, no doubt. But consider that it just has started for the a.net community and most just gave their constructive feedback on what they want to see improved or what they see missing. So this is for sure not the final version.

I joined in and have a couple of pictures uploaded there already.

wilco737
  



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User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 27):
most just gave their constructive feedback on what they want to see improved or what they see missing.

And what is missing is what was actually wanted. Instead we get a "middle-market" over-priced product.

I'm happy to be proved wrong when I see the sales figures in year's time though.

Maybe the question should have been asked beforehand on the forum to find out what was needed rather than be presented with a fait accompli.

[Edited 2013-09-22 03:05:27]


Whatever.......
User currently offlineHAMSpotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9289 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 24):
Thank you for opening an account Christian and it's a good one. It's good that you've also chosen to offer more than one product too. I see you have picked up two followers and once Demand Media promote the service on the site I've no doubt you'll receive more and hopefully meet with some success on the sales front.

Thank you very much!   Sadly still no sales...   


User currently offlinepanam_dc10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 30, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8500 times:
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Quoting derekf (Reply 25):
Quoting viv (Reply 26):

Thanks for your feedback and as Phil noted it is your decision to make which we respect. We are asking for feedback and appreciate what we've received so far and Demand Media have developers from both sites investigating how best to integrate the two sites. What's been discussed so far may well not be the final version.

Quoting HAMSpotter (Reply 29):
Thank you very much!   Sadly still no sales...

You're welcome, some sales have already been made and I am quite sure that when Demand Media actively promote the service that you'll meet with success.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6335 posts, RR: 39
Reply 31, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8488 times:

Quoting panam_dc10 (Reply 30):
some sales have already been made and I am quite sure that when Demand Media actively promote the service that you'll meet with success.

Paul, do you get detailed statistics about the sales, such as what type of images seem to be popular so far? Whether it be normal shots, A2As, window shots etc?



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User currently offlinepanam_dc10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 32, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8310 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 31):
Paul, do you get detailed statistics about the sales, such as what type of images seem to be popular so far? Whether it be normal shots, A2As, window shots etc?

Hi Nicholas,

As it currently is you would get detailed financial statistics on your sales which would also list exactly what merchandise you have sold. This would give you and indication as to which of your shots are popular.

As for statistics for all to see that outline which categories are selling well and are popular that is something I would need clarification from Demand Media on. It's a good suggestion.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8211 times:
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Do the photo sales of this service with Society6 have to reflect the same images as we have in the database with Airliners.net? In other words, can we sell images on Society6 that are HDR photos, or images where we may do a half color/half black and white or blur the background to make the photo look like a miniature set...those kinds of artistic effects that are not in the A.net database?

[Edited 2013-09-30 16:30:50]

User currently offlinepanam_dc10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 34, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7864 times:
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Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 33):
Do the photo sales of this service with Society6 have to reflect the same images as we have in the database with Airliners.net?

As you've seen the ideal solution would be for all your images to be able to be available immediately on Society6 but the file sizes are proving to be the major issue for this. We'd like you to upload images you've got on this site but at this point Demand Media do not mind if you upload other categories as some have already done so. If you've opened an account because you've chosen to "opt in" it would be good to see what you've done.  

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 35, posted (6 months 23 hours ago) and read 7315 times:
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Plus one more account from Anet user - I've opened my collection as well.
Here it is: http://society6.com/Fyodor_Borisov
Most of shots are not from my Anet collection but it is a way to extend it with hopes for some profit  

Regards,

Fyodor


User currently onlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3943 posts, RR: 56
Reply 36, posted (6 months 3 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

I've been wanting to try it aswell, but never got around to it. Until today. Most of what I noticed has been mentioned before; The size issues sometimes, the option to tag should be enabled and a "transportation" or "aviation" category should be added. However, the solution to the size problems for iPhone/iPad cases is to just use portrait photos. For iPad cases you just need to leave a lot of dead space around the subject. The problem with that though is that you need to find a good balance in that, since a print with a lot space isn't desirable either.

I've added a few photos that I have on here, but also included some of my favorite non-av shots. For anyone who wants to see: http://society6.com/kasvanzonneveld

[Edited 2013-10-19 11:28:01]

User currently offlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 37, posted (6 months 3 hours ago) and read 7221 times:
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Quoting airkas1 (Reply 36):
a lot of dead space around the subject.

What do you mean as 'dead space'?

Btw, excellent shots, as always.

[Edited 2013-10-19 11:39:36]

User currently onlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3943 posts, RR: 56
Reply 38, posted (6 months 3 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Thanks Fyodor   You too of course, it's nice to see some photos that aren't in the DB.

I took into account that for some photos, part of the aircraft would be cropped off (for example with the iPad cases). To prevent this from happening, I applied a very loose crop in Photoshop, so the website would only crop off non-aircraft parts of the photo (in this case what I call "dead space"). I noticed it didn't always work, but it was worth a try.

[Edited 2013-10-19 11:54:50]

User currently offlineFYODOR From Russia, joined May 2005, 653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 39, posted (6 months 2 hours ago) and read 7209 times:
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Quoting airkas1 (Reply 38):
it's nice to see some photos that aren't in the DB.

Best part of my collection. Sadly it is not here  

[Edited 2013-10-19 12:46:21]

[Edited 2013-10-19 12:48:47]

User currently offlinegranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 40, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7044 times:
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Hello

Got my first sale through Society 6.
Medium sized print.

Regards

Gary Watt - Granite
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www.airliners.net
http://twitter.com/airliners_net


User currently offlineKulverstukas From Russia, joined Jan 2013, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

> Got my first sale through Society 6

Aviation or not?


User currently offlinegranite From UK - Scotland, joined May 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 64
Reply 42, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6825 times:
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Hello Kulverstukas

Aviation.

Regards

Gary Watt - Granite
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User currently offlineKulverstukas From Russia, joined Jan 2013, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6817 times:

Congratulations, Gary  

[Edited 2013-10-25 08:46:39]

User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1032 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

Will I ever see the £6 I made from print sales? I've asked for a PayPal payout but nothing yet.


?
User currently offlinestevemchey From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 44):

Did you see sellers FAQs on their site?

Quote:
When one of your prints or other products is purchased, it gets produced, packed and shipped while you get paid. Track your earnings in your Account (you get paid every 1st of the month via Paypal - with a 30 day per purchase grace period from date of sale). Ex: if you sell something on Jan 15th, it is clear on Feb 15th and then you get paid on March 1st.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 46, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6265 times:
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Quoting FYODOR (Reply 35):

That's a good account thanks Fyodor and as you can see you're able to upload what you wish in addition to your aviation photos.

Quoting airkas1 (Reply 36):
I've added a few photos that I have on here, but also included some of my favorite non-av shots. For anyone who wants to see:

Thanks too for opening an account. The more accounts the better so we can get what you ask for, that is, Aviation as a category. There's room for it and with an Airliners.net landing page the two would work well together to get maximum reach for your work. I have asked that Demand Media do this and hopefully they're able to do it.

Quoting FYODOR (Reply 39):
Best part of my collection.

As you've seen they don't have to be screened images for you to upload to Society6.

Quoting Kulverstukas (Reply 41):
> Got my first sale through Society 6

Aviation or not?

Some of those with accounts have met with success and there have now been quite a few sales all aviation related, some of shots that are on the site, others which are not. Seems that framed prints are popular.

Again, my thanks to those who have opened accounts and we'd like to see more if you've the time. Also, we'd like to promote some of the accounts that have been opened on social media as not everyone comes to the forum and we want people to know we're starting the service so let me know if you'd like your account to be featured.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently onlineairkas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3943 posts, RR: 56
Reply 47, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

I'll try to upload some more aviation photos. I wouldn't mind my account getting linked.

User currently offlineHAMSpotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

Sure you might also feature my account!  

By the way, I just uploaded a new photo yesterday! http://society6.com/ChrischMue/Into-the-setting-sun_Print


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 49, posted (5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5873 times:
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Quoting airkas1 (Reply 47):
I wouldn't mind my account getting linked.
Quoting HAMSpotter (Reply 48):
Sure you might also feature my account!

Thank you both airkas1 and HAMSpotter I shall contact you via your emails to arrange this.

Regards

Paul



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User currently offlineluamax From Netherlands, joined Feb 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 46):
Also, we'd like to promote some of the accounts that have been opened on social media as not everyone comes to the forum and we want people to know we're starting the service so let me know if you'd like your account to be featured.

I've opened an account aswell and wouldn't mind if you want to use it for promotion.
http://society6.com/Luamax

I would like to have the option to add tags to the images especialy because there is no dedicated aviation section (yet?)


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 51, posted (4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5102 times:
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Quoting luamax (Reply 50):
I've opened an account aswell and wouldn't mind if you want to use it for promotion.

Thank you, been waiting to hear from Demand Media on a few issues but it's proving harder to integrate the two sites than they thought. Those who have offered to help with the promotion of their accounts will hear from me over the next day so we can give it a go.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 52, posted (4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4520 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 51):
Those who have offered to help with the promotion of their accounts

Hi, you should have received an email explaining how this will be promoted and that DM are looking to start promoting your accounts under each photo too.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlineHAMSpotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

@PanAm_DC10: I didn't receive any mail by now...  

User currently offlineluamax From Netherlands, joined Feb 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 52):
Hi, you should have received an email explaining how this will be promoted and that DM are looking to start promoting your accounts under each photo too.

I haven't received any email from you, Paul.


User currently offlinepowwwiii From United States of America, joined May 2011, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (3 months 23 hours ago) and read 3406 times:
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Hi Paul, I would like to open an account too, please instruct how to do that, thanks!

User currently offlinehamspotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Hi powwwiii,

just go to https://society6.com/register and register for the Society6!

Cheers,

Christian.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Reply 57, posted (2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
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Quoting HAMSpotter (Reply 53):
I didn't receive any mail by now...
Quoting luamax (Reply 54):
I haven't received any email from you

Hi, I am sorry for the delay but I have been waiting on further guidance from Demand Media and finally have some so I am in a position to write to you over the next week so we can do a social promotion. Thank you for your patience.

Quoting powwwiii (Reply 55):
Quoting hamspotter (Reply 56):

Thank you HAMSpotter and anyone is free to open accounts as we will need more due to the fact that A.net members accounts are likely to replace the "From Around the Web" advertisements below each photo.

Thanks and regards

Paul



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User currently offlinewhales From Zimbabwe, joined Oct 2006, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
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Hi Paul

I have an account too.

Cheers

William


User currently offlineHAMSpotter From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 793 times:



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 57):

Any news? Didn't hear anything by now...

[Edited 2014-03-11 07:36:02]

User currently offlineJKPhotos From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (4 weeks 1 day 9 hours 21 minutes ago) and read 577 times:

Good news:

The society 6 aviation shots are now promoted under an airliners picture. Good work by Paul!


Bad news:

Around the web is still there.

So there are even more "obstacles" between a shot and the "more shot like these" and photoalbums section which makes them even less visible..

I thought these images would probably replace "from around the web"?


User currently offlinederekf From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 weeks 1 day 13 hours 17 minutes ago) and read 310 times:

How is this going? Has anyone sold anything?
How is it different is it from an account such as Zenfolio (which has no acceptance crtieria)?

According to my photographer's page, all my photos are available for sale and I have sold $12.95 worth but presumably this has nothing to do with Society 6.



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